Hamlin's Fine

Hamlin's Fine

Post by Mike Simmon » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:36:19


It is not "new" news anymore but I thought I would get solicit everyone's
opinion on NASCAR's recent fine of Denny Hamlin.  IF what I read on Jayski
and other websites is correct and Hamlin's quotes on the subject are correct
and in context, I think NASCAR's recent fine is VERY heavy handed.  I
applaud Hamlin's decision to appeal and was disappointed when he decided to
withdraw his appeal and pay the fine.

My .02

Mike

 
 
 

Hamlin's Fine

Post by bob.pax.. » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:43:33

Quote:

> It is not "new" news anymore but I thought I would get solicit everyone's
> opinion on NASCAR's recent fine of Denny Hamlin.  IF what I read on Jayski
> and other websites is correct and Hamlin's quotes on the subject are correct
> and in context, I think NASCAR's recent fine is VERY heavy handed.  I
> applaud Hamlin's decision to appeal and was disappointed when he decided to
> withdraw his appeal and pay the fine.

I know that NASCAR is not the Federal government, so the First Amendment doesn't
apply to them, but I think fining someone because you don't like what they say
is just fundamentally wrong, period.

I can understand that NASCAR doesn't like to be criticized, but enforcing a
"speech code" with big fines is really counterproductive.  If drivers are only
allowed to say "everything's peachy", then everyone knows that praise isn't
genuine.  

Only when you're allowed to say anything you want can you give NASCAR a sincere
compliment and everyone knows you mean it.

I'm not a huge Hamlin fan, especially after yesterday, but I loved hearing him
say he wasn't going to pay it even if it meant getting suspended.

 
 
 

Hamlin's Fine

Post by John McCo » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:21:32



Quote:
> It is not "new" news anymore but I thought I would get solicit
> everyone's opinion on NASCAR's recent fine of Denny Hamlin.  IF what I
> read on Jayski and other websites is correct and Hamlin's quotes on
> the subject are correct and in context, I think NASCAR's recent fine
> is VERY heavy handed.

Agree with you completely.  Not only was the fine heavy handed
and totally unwarrented based on what Hamlin actually said
(which was basically that the new Gen 6 car needs work, just
like the CoT did when it was new); but it says a lot about
the underlying insecurities of NASCAR's top management. In
essence the message is "don't even think of criticizing the
management, because regardless of how constructive or appropriate
it is, they are not *** enough to accept criticism".

Quote:
>  I applaud Hamlin's decision to appeal and was
> disappointed when he decided to withdraw his appeal and pay the fine.

You are mistaken in that last part, he has refused to pay the
fine.  Withdrawing the appeal I think is a subtle defiance of
NASCAR - they want him to appeal, so that they can quietly
rescind the fine.  This is a huge PR black eye for NASCAR,
everyone in the press and the fan community beleives they are
wrong.  While France and Helton are incapable of admitting
they made a mistake, they could use the appeal to "confirm
the violation but rescind the fine", which would let them
save face.  But now Hamlin has taken that away from them.

Given that NASCAR has shown in the past that they can be
extremely vindictive towards people they dislike, I'm expecting
Hamlin will get some sort of excessive punishment for the
post-race activities yesterday.

John

 
 
 

Hamlin's Fine

Post by Mike Simmon » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:58:29




Quote:
> It is not "new" news anymore but I thought I would get solicit
> everyone's opinion on NASCAR's recent fine of Denny Hamlin.  IF what I
> read on Jayski and other websites is correct and Hamlin's quotes on
> the subject are correct and in context, I think NASCAR's recent fine
> is VERY heavy handed.

Agree with you completely.  Not only was the fine heavy handed
and totally unwarrented based on what Hamlin actually said
(which was basically that the new Gen 6 car needs work, just
like the CoT did when it was new); but it says a lot about
the underlying insecurities of NASCAR's top management. In
essence the message is "don't even think of criticizing the
management, because regardless of how constructive or appropriate
it is, they are not *** enough to accept criticism".

Quote:
>  I applaud Hamlin's decision to appeal and was
> disappointed when he decided to withdraw his appeal and pay the fine.

You are mistaken in that last part, he has refused to pay the
fine.  Withdrawing the appeal I think is a subtle defiance of
NASCAR - they want him to appeal, so that they can quietly
rescind the fine.  This is a huge PR black eye for NASCAR,
everyone in the press and the fan community beleives they are
wrong.  While France and Helton are incapable of admitting
they made a mistake, they could use the appeal to "confirm
the violation but rescind the fine", which would let them
save face.  But now Hamlin has taken that away from them.

Given that NASCAR has shown in the past that they can be
extremely vindictive towards people they dislike, I'm expecting
Hamlin will get some sort of excessive punishment for the
post-race activities yesterday.

John

I indeed was mistaken.  I thought by withdrawing the appeal he agreed to pay
the fine. It seems that I read somewhere (Jayski?) that he was quoted as
saying that "it's only $25,000.... so I "assumed" that he was willing to pay
it.  Good on him if he doesn't.  I'm not a big Hamlin fan, but what's right
is right!

Mike

 
 
 

Hamlin's Fine

Post by Anna Khond » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:18:16


Quote:
> Agree with you completely.  Not only was the fine heavy handed
> and totally unwarrented based on what Hamlin actually said
> (which was basically that the new Gen 6 car needs work, just
> like the CoT did when it was new);

(Completely unrelated to the fine/Hamlin/penalty/etc.)
In less than a handful of races, the new car saw many
in the field last week, under 15 seconds at Bristol..
More than ever before, for certain.
I think making comments about  'how much work they need'
after only a few races, was somewhat premature..
Who cares about what they do at a speedway, that doesn't count.
I don't think any redo of a car ever came off perfect out of the box.
--

Dan

A *** came home late for dinner one evening.
His wife gave him the cold shoulder.

 
 
 

Hamlin's Fine

Post by John McCo » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:17:58


Quote:
> (Completely unrelated to the fine/Hamlin/penalty/etc.)
> In less than a handful of races, the new car saw many
> in the field last week, under 15 seconds at Bristol..
> More than ever before, for certain.
> I think making comments about  'how much work they need'
> after only a few races, was somewhat premature..
> Who cares about what they do at a speedway, that doesn't count.
> I don't think any redo of a car ever came off perfect out of the box.

You're certainly right that no new car was ever perfect
right out of the box.  That's what makes NASCAR's reaction
to Hamlin's comment so strange...he only said what everyone
would expect, that the car needs refinement.  It wasn't
as if he'd said "this is broke and can't be fixed". (*)

I wish we could say "who cares what they do at a speedway".
Unfortunately, there's really only Martinsville and Bristol
that aren't speedways, and it doesn't leave much of a
season if you ignore the rest of the tracks.  It's at the
other tracks, where aero makes all the difference, that
the success or otherwise of the Gen6 car will play out
(and, to be honest, I don't expect it to be any more of
a success than the CoT, because the Gen6 is really just
a cosmetic tweak, not a serious attempt to solve the aero
issues that the Cup cars suffer from).

John

(* you'd love McLaren's Jensen Button.  After Sunday's race,
first of the year for F1, he said "the way the car is at
the moment <it's> not going to win a race".  For all their
faults, it's unlikely F1's management is stupid enough to
fine him for that.)