Lucky Dog Rule

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by 20ca » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:16:06


Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
lap back is crap.
 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by ray o'har » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:11:05


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> Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
> no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major
repair
> come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
> This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
> one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
> lap back is crap.

 at the least it should be scrapped on road courses.

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Wes Stewar » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:41:33



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>> Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
>> no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major
>repair
>> come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
>> This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
>> one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
>> lap back is crap.

> at the least it should be scrapped on road courses.

I think the rule is a dog and it should be scrapped on every course.

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by beeke » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:24:48

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>Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
>no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
>come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
>This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
>one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
>lap back is crap.

I believe Robby Gordon did it a few years back at Richmond before the LD rule.

beekeep

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by pcnk » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:28:53

Even Dave Despain grumbled about the lucky dog rule on Wind Tunnel last
night.  He agreed with the reasoning for the rule but said it should be
limited to only one or two per driver per race.
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> Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
> no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
> come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
> This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
> one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
> lap back is crap.

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Jeff Stricklan » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:19:09


Quote:




>>> Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There
>>> is
>>> no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major
>>repair
>>> come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead
>>> lap.
>>> This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could
>>> see
>>> one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap
>>> after
>>> lap back is crap.

>> at the least it should be scrapped on road courses.

> I think the rule is a dog and it should be scrapped on every course.

At the very least, it should be modified so ONLY the first car that is 1 lap
down gets the pass so he can become a member of those on the lead lap.
 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Nancy » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:47:25

Quote:

> Even Dave Despain grumbled about the lucky dog rule on Wind Tunnel last
> night.  He agreed with the reasoning for the rule but said it should be
> limited to only one or two per driver per race.

Dave the Pain doesn't have any credibility with this viewer when it
comes to Nascar.  He should go back to 2-wheel stuff and leave the
stock cars alone.

N.

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Gordo » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:22:20

Quote:

>Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
>no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
>come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
>This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
>one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
>lap back is crap.

A solution might be:

Each drive/car# is allowed 1 lucky dog per race.  They could defer if wanted to wait for another caution and only use the lucky dog rule if they qualify on the next or another
caution.  If they're not eligible on the next caution, then tough luck.  If they defer no other car is allowed to take it on that caution.  So a car 5 laps down and getting back 5
laps as the lucky dog would end.

I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to manipulate the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are eligible.

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Lucky Dog Rule

Post by armpi » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:58:50


Quote:

> I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to manipulate
> the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are eligible.

That, and more cars on the lead lap at the end of the race, are the main
reasons why Nascar will likely *never* make major changes to the lucky dog
rule.
 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Stephen Adam » Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:56:07

Quote:


>>Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
>>no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
>>come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
>>This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
>>one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
>>lap back is crap.

>A solution might be:

>Each drive/car# is allowed 1 lucky dog per race.  They could defer if wanted to wait for another caution and only use the lucky dog rule if they qualify on the next or another
>caution.  If they're not eligible on the next caution, then tough luck.  If they defer no other car is allowed to take it on that caution.  So a car 5 laps down and getting back 5
>laps as the lucky dog would end.

>I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to manipulate the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are eligible.

What about requiring 'contact' with the leader to get the lucky dog?  That is, if
you aren't within x car-lengths, you don't get it.  The rule was added to handle
the 'racing back to the flag' issue that the current caution rules eliminated.

Either let them race back to the flag and drop the lucky dog, or require some kind
of contact with the leader.  Getting the lucky dog when you are 1/2 a lap behind
is pretty silly - since it was meant to resolve the above mentioned 'racing back
to the flag' issue...

 -Stephen
--
  Space Age ***nomad                                   Stephen Adams

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Gordo » Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:49:12


Quote:


>>>Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
>>>no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
>>>come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
>>>This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
>>>one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
>>>lap back is crap.

>>A solution might be:

>>Each drive/car# is allowed 1 lucky dog per race.  They could defer if wanted to wait for another caution and only use the lucky dog rule if they qualify on the next or another
>>caution.  If they're not eligible on the next caution, then tough luck.  If they defer no other car is allowed to take it on that caution.  So a car 5 laps down and getting back 5
>>laps as the lucky dog would end.

>>I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to manipulate the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are eligible.

>What about requiring 'contact' with the leader to get the lucky dog?  That is, if
>you aren't within x car-lengths, you don't get it.  The rule was added to handle
>the 'racing back to the flag' issue that the current caution rules eliminated.

>Either let them race back to the flag and drop the lucky dog, or require some kind
>of contact with the leader.  Getting the lucky dog when you are 1/2 a lap behind
>is pretty silly - since it was meant to resolve the above mentioned 'racing back
>to the flag' issue...

> -Stephen

Personally, I feel its much sillier to allow a car 5 laps down to regain 5 laps no matter how close they might be to the leader at some point.  Simply being the only car a lap or
more down is no reason to receive any gift...much less a 5 lap gain in one race...

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Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Gordo » Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:51:11

Quote:



>> I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to manipulate
>> the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are eligible.

>That, and more cars on the lead lap at the end of the race, are the main
>reasons why Nascar will likely *never* make major changes to the lucky dog
>rule.

What's the rule "if you break it you own it?"  NASCAR broke it when they brought in the LD rule.  Now they own it and should have the guts to fix it...
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Lucky Dog Rule

Post by armpi » Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:03:34


Quote:




>>> I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to
>>> manipulate
>>> the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are
>>> eligible.

>>That, and more cars on the lead lap at the end of the race, are the main
>>reasons why Nascar will likely *never* make major changes to the lucky dog
>>rule.

> What's the rule "if you break it you own it?"  NASCAR broke it when they
> brought in the LD rule.  Now they own it and should have the guts to fix
> it...

Whether it's broken or not depends on your point of view. You believe it's a
race, Nascar believes it's a show. The LD rule is a tool that 1) puts more
cars on the lead lap, and 2) gives Nascar a way to "assist" drivers that
they wish to "assist" by way of "debris" cautions.

Why do you think they never came up with anything better than restrictor
plates to slow the cars at the big tracks? In their eyes it makes for a
better "show".

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Stephen Adam » Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:18:07

Quote:




>>>>Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
>>>>no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
>>>>come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
>>>>This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
>>>>one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
>>>>lap back is crap.

>>>A solution might be:

>>>Each drive/car# is allowed 1 lucky dog per race.  They could defer if wanted to wait for another caution and only use the lucky dog rule if they qualify on the next or another
>>>caution.  If they're not eligible on the next caution, then tough luck.  If they defer no other car is allowed to take it on that caution.  So a car 5 laps down and getting back 5
>>>laps as the lucky dog would end.

>>>I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to manipulate the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are eligible.

>>What about requiring 'contact' with the leader to get the lucky dog?  That is, if
>>you aren't within x car-lengths, you don't get it.  The rule was added to handle
>>the 'racing back to the flag' issue that the current caution rules eliminated.

>>Either let them race back to the flag and drop the lucky dog, or require some kind
>>of contact with the leader.  Getting the lucky dog when you are 1/2 a lap behind
>>is pretty silly - since it was meant to resolve the above mentioned 'racing back
>>to the flag' issue...

>Personally, I feel its much sillier to allow a car 5 laps down to regain 5 laps no matter how close they might be to the leader at some point.  Simply being the only car a lap or
>more down is no reason to receive any gift...much less a 5 lap gain in one race...

I saw Dale Jarrett make up 4 laps without the lucky dog years ago at the Brickyard.  If
there were enough cautions, and your car was good (he was fast, but had run out of gas),
you could easily get a lap back every caution.  All you had to do was either pass the
leader on the restart and stay out front or be close enough to pass him when he slowed
for the caution....

So the lucky dog isn't different than the old rules, EXCEPT that it allows cars with no
contact with the leader (and thus, no chance to pass if they raced back to the flag) to
get laps back, which was not possible before.

 -Stephen
--
  Space Age ***nomad                                   Stephen Adams

 
 
 

Lucky Dog Rule

Post by Gordo » Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:33:18


Quote:




>>>>>Once again, a driver multiple laps down is back on the lead lap.  There is
>>>>>no way in the old system would a car going into the garage for major repair
>>>>>come back out to the track and race 4+ laps back and get on the lead lap.
>>>>>This isn't a short track either.  The lucky dog rule is crap.  I could see
>>>>>one lap per driver per race, but to allow the same driver to get lap after
>>>>>lap back is crap.

>>>>A solution might be:

>>>>Each drive/car# is allowed 1 lucky dog per race.  They could defer if wanted to wait for another caution and only use the lucky dog rule if they qualify on the next or another
>>>>caution.  If they're not eligible on the next caution, then tough luck.  If they defer no other car is allowed to take it on that caution.  So a car 5 laps down and getting back 5
>>>>laps as the lucky dog would end.

>>>>I feel NASCAR currently could use cautions and the lucky dog to manipulate the outcome by throwing debris cautions when certain drivers are eligible.

>>>What about requiring 'contact' with the leader to get the lucky dog?  That is, if
>>>you aren't within x car-lengths, you don't get it.  The rule was added to handle
>>>the 'racing back to the flag' issue that the current caution rules eliminated.

>>>Either let them race back to the flag and drop the lucky dog, or require some kind
>>>of contact with the leader.  Getting the lucky dog when you are 1/2 a lap behind
>>>is pretty silly - since it was meant to resolve the above mentioned 'racing back
>>>to the flag' issue...

>>Personally, I feel its much sillier to allow a car 5 laps down to regain 5 laps no matter how close they might be to the leader at some point.  Simply being the only car a lap or
>>more down is no reason to receive any gift...much less a 5 lap gain in one race...

>I saw Dale Jarrett make up 4 laps without the lucky dog years ago at the Brickyard.  If
>there were enough cautions, and your car was good (he was fast, but had run out of gas),
>you could easily get a lap back every caution.  All you had to do was either pass the
>leader on the restart and stay out front or be close enough to pass him when he slowed
>for the caution....

>So the lucky dog isn't different than the old rules, EXCEPT that it allows cars with no
>contact with the leader (and thus, no chance to pass if they raced back to the flag) to
>get laps back, which was not possible before.

> -Stephen

The biggest difference was if your car isn't running well enough to run up front, you ain't getting laps back under the old system.  under the current system, it's pure welfare.

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