Lucky dog rule

Lucky dog rule

Post by None4 » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:39:22


Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old method of
racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave Jimmie the
Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!  If that's the case that's crazy!
It seems to me that the Lucky dog should only be awarded if their is a
incident on the track not for a competition caution!  Also if they
eliminated the Lucky Dog for debris cautions a lot of controversy and glove
dropping would simply go away.
 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by SimDrive » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:45:59


Quote:
> Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old method
> of racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave Jimmie
> the Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!

 Nope.
They gave JG the lucky dog.
JJ didn't lose a lap.

 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by 20ca » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:23:18


Quote:
> Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old method
> of racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave Jimmie
> the Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!  If that's the case that's
> crazy! It seems to me that the Lucky dog should only be awarded if their
> is a incident on the track not for a competition caution!  Also if they
> eliminated the Lucky Dog for debris cautions a lot of controversy and
> glove dropping would simply go away.

I think it's complete ***how a driver 4 laps down winds up on the lead lap
again.  A driver should not get more than one lucky dog per race.  No way in
the old system would they let old Jeffy go by on every single caution to get
laps back.  I think today exposed a major flaw with this rule.

 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by Nancy » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:13:09

Quote:



> > Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old method
> > of racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave Jimmie
> > the Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!  If that's the case that's
> > crazy! It seems to me that the Lucky dog should only be awarded if their
> > is a incident on the track not for a competition caution!  Also if they
> > eliminated the Lucky Dog for debris cautions a lot of controversy and
> > glove dropping would simply go away.
> I think it's complete ***how a driver 4 laps down winds up on the lead lap
> again.  A driver should not get more than one lucky dog per race.  No way in
> the old system would they let old Jeffy go by on every single caution to get
> laps back.  I think today exposed a major flaw with this rule.

This is just sour grapes because your driver is at the end of the top
ten list. ;-)

N.

 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by 43fa » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:58:32


Quote:



>> Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old method
>> of racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave
>> Jimmie the Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!  If that's the case
>> that's crazy! It seems to me that the Lucky dog should only be awarded if
>> their is a incident on the track not for a competition caution!  Also if
>> they eliminated the Lucky Dog for debris cautions a lot of controversy
>> and glove dropping would simply go away.
> I think it's complete ***how a driver 4 laps down winds up on the lead
> lap again.  A driver should not get more than one lucky dog per race.  No
> way in the old system would they let old Jeffy go by on every single
> caution to get laps back.  I think today exposed a major flaw with this
> rule.

I have no problem with multiple laps being "given" back... but I think the
person who gets it should be the one who's within "striking distance" of the
leader, on the track.  IOW, I don't care if they're one lap or 10 laps down,
closest one to the leader, within say 10 car lengths, gets the lap.  If no
one who is one or more laps down is within 10 car lengths of the leader, no
one gets the lucky dog.
 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by WildWease » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:07:13

"43fan" wrote ...

Quote:

> I have no problem with multiple laps being "given" back... but I think the
> person who gets it should be the one who's within "striking distance" of the
> leader, on the track.  IOW, I don't care if they're one lap or 10 laps down,
> closest one to the leader, within say 10 car lengths, gets the lap.  If no one
> who is one or more laps down is within 10 car lengths of the leader, no one
> gets the lucky dog.

But that could be the last guy the leader blew by, not necessarily someone a lap
or laps down that is*** with the leader.  Just goes to show how dumb the LD
rule and the horse it rode in on (not racing back to the yellow) is.

And while we're changing rules, 5 bonus points in you lead  a GREEN flag lap,
caution laps don't count.

 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by 43fa » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 04:26:17


Quote:

> "43fan" wrote ...

>> I have no problem with multiple laps being "given" back... but I think
>> the person who gets it should be the one who's within "striking distance"
>> of the leader, on the track.  IOW, I don't care if they're one lap or 10
>> laps down, closest one to the leader, within say 10 car lengths, gets the
>> lap.  If no one who is one or more laps down is within 10 car lengths of
>> the leader, no one gets the lucky dog.

> But that could be the last guy the leader blew by, not necessarily someone
> a lap or laps down that is*** with the leader.  Just goes to show how
> dumb the LD rule and the horse it rode in on (not racing back to the
> yellow) is.

No, no, no... maybe I mispoke or explained wrong.  Anyone a lap or laps
down, in order to qualify for the lucky dog, would have to be within 10 car
lengths of the leader.  This goes back to how it used to be when the leader
could decide who he wanted to let have a lap back, and who he wanted to
race.  He doesn't get to decide now, but in the past, if they(the lap(s)
down cars) were more than roughly 10 car lengths, it was almost impossible
for him(the leader) to slow down enough to let them by even if he wanted to,
of course depending on where he was in relation to the S/F line and how
close the rest of the lead lap cars were, etc...

Personally I'd rather see them go back to racing to the caution, but it
doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon, if ever.  So if it's
not, at least make the person getting the lap back be "in contact" with the
leader.  I thought that's how the rule was originally proposed/worded
anyway. *shrug*

I mean, as it is, a guy 2 laps down can be running directly behind the
leader, and someone else one lap down, half a lap(distance wise) behind
them, is the one who gets the lap back.  In the past, the guy 2 laps down
would've gotten one lap back probably, and the one one lap down wouldn't
have.

Quote:

> And while we're changing rules, 5 bonus points in you lead  a GREEN flag
> lap, caution laps don't count.

No problem with that either.. :)
 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by WildWease » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 05:01:54

"43fan" wrote ...

Quote:

> No, no, no... maybe I mispoke or explained wrong.  Anyone a lap or laps down,
> in order to qualify for the lucky dog, would have to be within 10 car lengths
> of the leader.  This goes back to how it used to be when the leader could
> decide who he wanted to let have a lap back, and who he wanted to race.  ...

That's what I mean.  The leader blows by the car coming out of the pits 50 laps
down.  The second he goes by a yellow comes out.  Guy coming out of the pits (or
any slow backmarker that just got lapped again for that matter) is the closest
within 10 cars lengths and is the LD.  The guy 1 lap down who has been managing
to*** 15 car lengths back for 10 laps ... tough dodo, the LD was just L.

Quote:

> Personally I'd rather see them go back to racing to the caution,

Yep.  I contend this whole thing came about inside the Trojan belly known as
safety with the DJ spin where the field was bearing down on him (and the
dumbdumb started taking off his belts and helmet) but when actually, everything
worked like it was supposed to and no one got wrecked or hurt.  But AH! SAFETY,
was the Trojan horse that ended racing to the caution while the *real* problem
was the growing tendency to stupidly slow (sometimes almost to a stop) to let
team mates by.

Quote:
> but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon, if ever.  So if
> it's not, at least make the person getting the lap back be "in contact" with
> the leader.  I thought that's how the rule was originally proposed/worded
> anyway. *shrug*

> I mean, as it is, a guy 2 laps down can be running directly behind the leader,
> and someone else one lap down, half a lap(distance wise) behind them, is the
> one who gets the lap back.  In the past, the guy 2 laps down would've gotten
> one lap back probably, and the one one lap down wouldn't have.

It would seem that the LD should at least merit getting L by being able to hang
with the leader, but your 10 car lengths doesn't insure the LD has been***
with the leader, could just be that he was the most recent one to get passed.
The whole thing is screwy, I think we'll both agree.
Quote:

>> And while we're changing rules, 5 bonus points in you lead  a GREEN flag lap,
>> caution laps don't count.
> No problem with that either.. :)

 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by beeke » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:07:05

Quote:





>>> Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old method
>>> of racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave
>>> Jimmie the Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!  If that's the case
>>> that's crazy! It seems to me that the Lucky dog should only be awarded if
>>> their is a incident on the track not for a competition caution!  Also if
>>> they eliminated the Lucky Dog for debris cautions a lot of controversy
>>> and glove dropping would simply go away.
>> I think it's complete ***how a driver 4 laps down winds up on the lead
>> lap again.  A driver should not get more than one lucky dog per race.  No
>> way in the old system would they let old Jeffy go by on every single
>> caution to get laps back.  I think today exposed a major flaw with this
>> rule.

>I have no problem with multiple laps being "given" back... but I think the
>person who gets it should be the one who's within "striking distance" of the
>leader, on the track.  IOW, I don't care if they're one lap or 10 laps down,
>closest one to the leader, within say 10 car lengths, gets the lap.  If no
>one who is one or more laps down is within 10 car lengths of the leader, no
>one gets the lucky dog.

And refine that a little more as well - let all cars within say 10 car lengths
of the leader get a free pass no matter how many laps they are down.  That would
be truer to the way it used to be.  .

beekeep

 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by zigza » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:06:18


Quote:
> I think it's complete ***how a driver 4 laps down winds up on the lead
> lap again.  A driver should not get more than one lucky dog per race.  No
> way in the old system would they let old Jeffy go by on every single
> caution to get laps back.  I think today exposed a major flaw with this
> rule.

About the only ***I see is from you dumb ass kids who don't even watch the
race.

MIKE SKINNER GOT THE LUCKY DOG AT THE LAP 40 NASCAR COMPETITION
CAUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by zigza » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:06:19


Quote:
> They gave JG the lucky dog.

No they didn't Mike Skinner got it.
 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by zigza » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:06:19


Quote:
> Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old method
> of racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave Jimmie
> the Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!

Mike Skinner got that lucky dog.
 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by 20ca » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:13:21


Quote:




>> > Okay I think the Luck Dog rule is a huge improvement over the old
>> > method
>> > of racing back to caution but if I understand correctly Nascar gave
>> > Jimmie
>> > the Lucky dog for the competition caution?!!  If that's the case that's
>> > crazy! It seems to me that the Lucky dog should only be awarded if
>> > their
>> > is a incident on the track not for a competition caution!  Also if they
>> > eliminated the Lucky Dog for debris cautions a lot of controversy and
>> > glove dropping would simply go away.
>> I think it's complete ***how a driver 4 laps down winds up on the lead
>> lap
>> again.  A driver should not get more than one lucky dog per race.  No way
>> in
>> the old system would they let old Jeffy go by on every single caution to
>> get
>> laps back.  I think today exposed a major flaw with this rule.

> This is just sour grapes because your driver is at the end of the top
> ten list. ;-)

> N.

Nah, even if it was Smoke it's still not right.  1 lap down okay, 2 laps
down maybe once in a blue moon.  But 4 laps down?  No way in hell would a
driver get all those laps back under the old system.
 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by 20ca » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:15:09


Quote:


>> I think it's complete ***how a driver 4 laps down winds up on the lead
>> lap again.  A driver should not get more than one lucky dog per race.  No
>> way in the old system would they let old Jeffy go by on every single
>> caution to get laps back.  I think today exposed a major flaw with this
>> rule.

> About the only ***I see is from you dumb ass kids who don't even watch
> the race.

> MIKE SKINNER GOT THE LUCKY DOG AT THE LAP 40 NASCAR COMPETITION
> CAUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skinner...heh.  There's a legitimate contender for the cup.  Just a step
above start and park is all he is.  He should stick with CTS.
 
 
 

Lucky dog rule

Post by SimDrive » Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:15:59


Quote:

> Skinner...heh.  There's a legitimate contender for the cup.  Just a step
> above start and park is all he is.  He should stick with CTS.

Skinner's stop could have been an attempt to keep the 24 out of contention
longer.
He does use equipment supplied by powerful friends who would be happy to
slow the 24's momentum.