BMS Concrete to Blacktop

BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by Michael Jenki » Mon, 26 Aug 1996 04:00:00


It was reported that Bruton Smith plans to replace the concrete
surface at BMS with blacktop, once again.  WHY?!  I thought
that concrete was a much superior surface for a race track.

Any ideas?

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BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by P. Campbe » Mon, 26 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>It was reported that Bruton Smith plans to replace the concrete
>surface at BMS with blacktop, once again.  WHY?!  I thought
>that concrete was a much superior surface for a race track.

The drivers hate the concrete and would much prefer pavement.  However, the
previous owner evidently didn't have the money to put down a good asphalt
surface that wouldn't tear up, so he went with concrete.

Apparently, Bruton has the money to get the material used to pave IMS, and
Pocono, two high speed, flat tracks that had no pavement problems at all this
year when the WC cars ran on them.  Seems like Bob Bahre needs to do the same
at NHIS.  That surface literally sucks.

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BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by Kenneth Slat » Mon, 26 Aug 1996 04:00:00


writes:

Quote:

>It was reported that Bruton Smith plans to replace the concrete
>surface at BMS with blacktop, once again.  WHY?!  I thought
>that concrete was a much superior surface for a race track.

>Any ideas?

Extremely *** the tires, and chassis.  Much less give than asphalt.
 If you saw the simple slide that Ricky Craven had, and the resulting
three flat tires, that would be one of the main reasons for the change.
 Another perhaps because of the stress on the chassis parts.

til next time....

see
ya

ken

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BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by Chris Willia » Mon, 26 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Actually, IMS did tear up this year at the BY 400.  If Bruton can get an
asphalt that works, it should return two groove, or at least 1 and a half
groove racing to Bristol, instead of the current  one groove.  It was
very exciting when cars used to run side-by-side there and stay even.  
Chris/NJ

 
 
 

BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by Scott La » Tue, 27 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>It was reported that Bruton Smith plans to replace the concrete
>surface at BMS with blacktop, once again.  WHY?!  I thought
>that concrete was a much superior surface for a race track.

Because the concrete surface lends itself to a 1 groove track.
Bristol in the years before the concrete was a 2 groove track
with lots of side-by-side action.  This make for a better show.

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BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by Troy Allen Nol » Tue, 27 Aug 1996 04:00:00

: definetly, concrete makes for a longer lasting track, but look at
: Bristol and Dover this year, real hard to pass now vs. Years past
: side by side racing, this years Bristol Race sucked, I hate to see
: concrete tracks, one lined junkheaps.

 
 
 

BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by John McC » Tue, 27 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>The drivers hate the concrete and would much prefer pavement.
However, the
>previous owner evidently didn't have the money to put down a good
asphalt
>surface that wouldn't tear up, so he went with concrete.

That's a somewhat uncalled for slam on the "previous owner".  When
Bristol
went concrete, the only other track with concrete was Martinsville,
where
concrete seemed to be a very successful solution to the problem of
asphalt
tearing up (at least, no one complained about it).  Bristol was
requiring
major pavement work every 3 or 4 years (which was always completed well
before race time, I don't recall there ever being major pavement
problems
during a race, unlike NHIS).  Concrete seemed like a good idea, and
without
trying it no-one would ever know if it really was good.  (Now, if you
want
to blame someone, blame the dimbulbs at Dover, who apparently didn't
bother
to ask the drivers how well they liked the concrete Bristol before
doing
the same to Dover Downs).

As for why concrete is worse, it seems to me there is just too much
traction.
On asphalt a driver can run the outside groove, and gain on the inside
if
the driver on the inside spins his tires coming off the corner.  With
concrete
there just doesn't seem to be enough wheelspin to give the outside the
advantage.

John

(trying netcom on a freebie, and not liking it very much)

 
 
 

BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by k.. » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>concrete seemed to be a very successful solution to the problem of
>asphalt
>tearing up (at least, no one complained about it).  Bristol was
>requiring
>major pavement work every 3 or 4 years (which was always completed well
>before race time, I don't recall there ever being major pavement
>problems
>during a race, unlike NHIS).

I seem to remember in the late 80's the asphalt at Bristol tearing up so
much that the drivers demanded that something be done about it.  Carrier
tried to do something tricky with asphalt sealer that didn't work at all,
and ended up tearing up a nearly new paving job to fix it.  I can't
remember if this is when they went concrete or one of the repaving's just
prior to it.  I do remember watching ESPN's cameras zooming in on these
tremendous potholes in the turns though.

Kev


 
 
 

BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by Bill Morri » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I'm no math genius but Dover went from 14 cautions to 3-4 after
concrete! I don't remember the outside groove working there for
several years before the repaving.
Even High Groove Harry couldn't go high there anymore!
I personally believe it has something to do ith the smaller'
faster cars they run now.
Just my 2cents.

 
 
 

BMS Concrete to Blacktop

Post by Donald Nel » Fri, 06 Sep 1996 04:00:00

i think i heard them say on tv one time that the reason the run on the
botoom at Dover is because of the radial tires .