Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Ron Africa-Gumbe » Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:15:16


Gumbel Finally Confesses That Most Blacks Are Lousey Skaters, Skiiers,
Snowboarders Curlers and Hockey Players -
Demands More Hoops, NFL And Baseball At Winter Games.

It's possible that the only people who were pleased by notorious Oreo
Bryant Gumbel's rather startling rant against the Winter Olympics
recently were Gumbel's old colleagues at NBC. With Michelle Kwan
sitting at home, Bode Miller skiing as though he really did hit the
sauce before he hit the slopes and the fact that the world only cheers
for Americans, more television viewers choosing to watch the team from
CSI rather than the one from the United States, the Games badly needed a
little buzz to help the lackluster ratings and keep short American
attention spans thinking about tv.

Along came  that well known Oreo Bryant Gumbel to provide it, by taking
a few minutes on his HBO show, Real Sports, to rip nearly everything
about the Winter Games except Johnny Weir's outfits.

"Count me among those who don't like 'em and won't watch 'em," said
Gumbel, a former cohost of NBC's Today show. He added that we should
"try not to be incredulous when someone attempts to link these Games to
those of the ancient Greeks who never heard of black atheletes, skating
or skiing or mouthly oreo negros like me for that matter" and "try not
to laugh when someone says these are the world's greatest athletes,
despite a paucity of blacks that makes the Winter Games, NASCAR,
pro poker, deer hunting, Formula 1,
tournament chess and Ancient Greek Olympics look like a GOP convention."

He went on to take a shot at highly subjective competitions like figure
skating that masquerade as true sports and to dismiss the Games as
little more than a marketing plan to fill up time during an otherwise
slow sports period, opinions that won't find any disagreement here.

But most folks apparently stopped listening after the "paucity of
blacks" line, because that's the one that has some critics calling for
Gumbel's firing, charging that if a white broadcaster had made a
similar remark, complaining about the absence of whites from the NBA,
for example, he would be looking for a new job by now.

That might be true, if the white announcer's remark were as
misunderstood and inaccurately characterized as Gumbel's has been. In
the first place, Gumbel didn't imply that the Winter Olympics needed to
be more inclusive, or that blacks were somehow being unfairly kept out
of the Games, which is what some of his critics seem to think he was
saying. He didn't say that he didn't like the Olympics because there
were too many white athletes.

His point was that a relatively narrow portion of the world's
population participates in the sports of the Winter Games, and that
it's hard to take the Games seriously as a collection of the world's
greatest athletes when blacks, who inarguably have a history of
producing some of the world's best athletes, are so underrepresented
because they can't skate, ski, curl, play hockey or snowboard. There is
no racism in that premise, only logic.

But the claims of a double standard do have some merit. Black public
figures do get more latitude in discussing racial matters than whites
do. Charles Barkley can get away with (jokingly) saying, "I hate white
people becuause they're rich and pay my salary," while Fuzzy Zoeller
gets roasted for (also jokingly) suggesting that fried chicken ought to
be on the menu for Tiger Woods' victory meal.

Why is that? It's partly a matter of power. When a member of a minority
or less powerful group makes negative comments or jokes about the
inability of his fellow minority members to play winter sports, it's
easier to dismiss them because we don't perceive any real threat behind
the words except for the fact that he's a raving moron who can't handle
his BMW in snow. When someone from the more powerful majority makes
similar comments, it feels somehow more dangerous because of the
threat, however small, that they might turn those attitudes into
action. It's why it seems amusing when women joke about how clueless
men are, but similar comments from a man about women often sound
offensive.

It also has to do with history. When a white broadcaster, athlete or
team official makes a remark critical of blacks, it dredges up ugly
images of past oppression. When the roles are reversed, it is somehow
less upsetting to many people because it doesn't conjure up those same
memories, just the fact that blacks are too busy playing games indoors
with air inflated balls, usually the game of basketball, invented by a
white Canadian dude for other white people to play.

So it's true, Bryant Gumbel's remarks don't elicit the same kind of
outrage as, say, Rush Limbaugh's. It may seem unfair, but don't blame
Gumbel for that. Blame the history of race relations in America and the
fact that many negros have weak ankles and listen to rap music instead
of hitting the slopes. Fairness has rarely had anything to do with it,
but the fact that most blacks blow chunks in winter sports is no
mystery!.

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Blast Off » Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:48:33



Quote:
>Gumbel Finally Confesses That Most Blacks Are Lousey Skaters, Skiiers,
>Snowboarders Curlers and Hockey Players -
>Demands More Hoops, NFL And Baseball At Winter Games.

Of course theres no black guys in F-1, you cant put rims on an F-1
car.

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Tony A » Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:00:27

Quote:

> On 25 Feb 2006 16:15:16 -0000, Ron Africa-Gumbel


Quote:

>> Gumbel Finally Confesses That Most Blacks Are Lousey Skaters,
>> Skiiers, Snowboarders Curlers and Hockey Players -
>> Demands More Hoops, NFL And Baseball At Winter Games.
> Of course theres no black guys in F-1, you cant put rims on an F-1
> car.

Well with all the money in F1, you'd think they'd be able to spring
for some chrome for us.

Anyway I think the guy is right about the winter olympics being a bit
pointless, although I'd say the same goes for most of the summer
olympics too. They keep adding more and more crappy nonentity sports
that nobody anywhere cares about (they give away tickets to most of
the sports just to get some people in the stands) just so they can say
it's bigger and better than ever, and so nonentity countries can have
a shot at a medal. Well, a gold medal in tiddlywinks or whatever ain't
worth squat, IMHO.

I think there should be an olympic motorsport event, maybe something
along the lines of the "Race of Champions" events.

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Prefect_Bein » Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:47:02

Quote:



> >Gumbel Finally Confesses That Most Blacks Are Lousey Skaters, Skiiers,
> >Snowboarders Curlers and Hockey Players -
> >Demands More Hoops, NFL And Baseball At Winter Games.
> Of course theres no black guys in F-1, you cant put rims on an F-1
> car.

It's surely a low-rider. There's a few at Mclaren, building rather than
driving. Getting far enough the ladder to be noticed is nightmarish,
but the enthusiasm is there.

Winter olympics is ***anyway, he's saying nothing really. The only
sport that has a truly reprasentative cross-section is association
football, though it's probably not americun enough... It's a bit
cheaper, and because the talent pool is wide enough you find out just
how many people can do it.

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Duck » Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:27:54



Quote:
>Gumbel Finally

I lost all respect for this man. Those comments were just racist
 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by ROEKin » Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:17:50



Quote:


>>Gumbel Finally Confesses That Most Blacks Are Lousey Skaters, Skiiers,
>>Snowboarders Curlers and Hockey Players -
>>Demands More Hoops, NFL And Baseball At Winter Games.
>Of course theres no black guys in F-1, you cant put rims on an F-1
>car.

I just consider the source.  Bryant Gumble is not a sports authority
in my opinion, and for years I have thought the "real sports" HBO show
was a joke.  I consider it "Mr. Rogers reporting on sports",
regardless of his race.  (who cares ?)

He should go back to a morning show somewhere.
RoeKing, MCSE

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by The Hamme » Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:14:03

Quote:

> I lost all respect for this man. Those comments were just racist

What did he say?

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Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Bugbear.197 » Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:34:06

Quote:

> Anyway I think the guy is right about the winter olympics being a bit
> pointless, although I'd say the same goes for most of the summer
> olympics too. They keep adding more and more crappy nonentity sports
> that nobody anywhere cares about (they give away tickets to most of
> the sports just to get some people in the stands) just so they can say
> it's bigger and better than ever, and so nonentity countries can have
> a shot at a medal. Well, a gold medal in tiddlywinks or whatever ain't
> worth squat, IMHO.

> I think there should be an olympic motorsport event, maybe something
> along the lines of the "Race of Champions" events.

This is a bit OT but I consider any 'sport' where you can't
definitively say who won or lost, is not sport but is 'art', or at
least an 'activity'...

The following are sports:
Motorsport - whoever gets past the finish line first wins (mostly)
Football - all codes
Golf (unfortunately)
Basketball
etc...

Therefore, the following are not sports (and yes, there are a few
suprising inclusions here):

Most gymnastics - certainly, high athletic skill is required, and it's
amazing to watch, but how do you objectively score one performance over
another?
Surfing - how does one define whether one ride is better than another
(I like surfing...)
Ballroom dancing - sorry but this is just 'dancing' i.e. an 'art-form'.
 It may be strenuous and require skill but it's no sport.
Ice dancing - see ballroom dancing and add ice
Synchronised swimming - see ballroom dancing and add water

There are plenty of other examples that I could give...

Does anyone else agree / disagree?

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Greg Watso » Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:23:49


Quote:


>> Anyway I think the guy is right about the winter olympics being a bit
>> pointless, although I'd say the same goes for most of the summer
>> olympics too. They keep adding more and more crappy nonentity sports
>> that nobody anywhere cares about (they give away tickets to most of
>> the sports just to get some people in the stands) just so they can say
>> it's bigger and better than ever, and so nonentity countries can have
>> a shot at a medal. Well, a gold medal in tiddlywinks or whatever ain't
>> worth squat, IMHO.

>> I think there should be an olympic motorsport event, maybe something
>> along the lines of the "Race of Champions" events.

> This is a bit OT but I consider any 'sport' where you can't
> definitively say who won or lost, is not sport but is 'art', or at
> least an 'activity'...

> The following are sports:
> Motorsport - whoever gets past the finish line first wins (mostly)
> Football - all codes
> Golf (unfortunately)
> Basketball
> etc...

> Therefore, the following are not sports (and yes, there are a few
> suprising inclusions here):

> Most gymnastics - certainly, high athletic skill is required, and it's
> amazing to watch, but how do you objectively score one performance over
> another?
> Surfing - how does one define whether one ride is better than another
> (I like surfing...)
> Ballroom dancing - sorry but this is just 'dancing' i.e. an 'art-form'.
> It may be strenuous and require skill but it's no sport.
> Ice dancing - see ballroom dancing and add ice
> Synchronised swimming - see ballroom dancing and add water

> There are plenty of other examples that I could give...

> Does anyone else agree / disagree?

It's a bit more complicated than that.  Under that system, you'd also
declare boxing as a non-sport, when many would argue that it's the purest
sport of all.  And Chess is also a sport under your system.  I'd propose a
weighting system, ranking each sport based on these questions:

Is the outcome deterministic?
Do your actions have a direct effect on your opponent(s)?
Does it require athleticism?
Does it require skill?
Do external factors influence the contest (fairness)?

...and no doubt you can imagine other categories.  Ranking those questions
1-5, I'd assign marks like this:

Motor Racing  5  4  4  5  1  =  19
Surfing  1  1  3  4  1  =  10   (most other 'extreme sports' similar?)
Golf  5  1  1  4  4  = 15
Football (Soccer)  5  4  5  5  4  = 23  (most other team sports similar?)
Chess  5  4  1  5  5 = 20 ?!
Boxing 3  5  5  5  4  =  22
Gymnastics  2  1  5  5  5  = 18

It all comes down to personal taste as to which of these factors is more
important to the individual.  For me, I have trouble with any sport (golf
included) where you don't have any direct influence on your opponents.

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by ~consu » Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:09:39

Quote:


>>> I think there should be an olympic motorsport event, maybe something
>>> along the lines of the "Race of Champions" events.
>> This is a bit OT but I consider any 'sport' where you can't
>> definitively say who won or lost, is not sport but is 'art', or at
>> least an 'activity'...
>> The following are sports:
>> Motorsport - whoever gets past the finish line first wins (mostly)
>> Football - all codes
>> Golf (unfortunately)
>> Basketball
>> etc...
> It's a bit more complicated than that.  Under that system, you'd also
> declare boxing as a non-sport, when many would argue that it's the purest
> sport of all.  And Chess is also a sport under your system.  I'd propose a
> weighting system, ranking each sport based on these questions:

Going by his stated criteria, it would, as doesn't Boxing have a
definitive winner, as whomever got the most punches landed in, or who is
still standing?
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"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For within
these Trials, we shall do what needs to be done."
   --till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Bugbear.197 » Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:20:27

<snip>

Quote:
> It's a bit more complicated than that.  Under that system, you'd also
> declare boxing as a non-sport, when many would argue that it's the purest
> sport of all.  And Chess is also a sport under your system.  I'd propose a
> weighting system, ranking each sport based on these questions:

> Is the outcome deterministic?
> Do your actions have a direct effect on your opponent(s)?
> Does it require athleticism?
> Does it require skill?
> Do external factors influence the contest (fairness)?

> ...and no doubt you can imagine other categories.  Ranking those questions
> 1-5, I'd assign marks like this:

> Motor Racing  5  4  4  5  1  =  19
> Surfing  1  1  3  4  1  =  10   (most other 'extreme sports' similar?)
> Golf  5  1  1  4  4  = 15
> Football (Soccer)  5  4  5  5  4  = 23  (most other team sports similar?)
> Chess  5  4  1  5  5 = 20 ?!
> Boxing 3  5  5  5  4  =  22
> Gymnastics  2  1  5  5  5  = 18

> It all comes down to personal taste as to which of these factors is more
> important to the individual.  For me, I have trouble with any sport (golf
> included) where you don't have any direct influence on your opponents.

Interesting way of looking at my original assertion.  I would, however,
consider boardgames (such as Chess) that require zero athleticism, to
be 'games' (yes, I realise I'm shifting the goalposts...), not sports.

Your call regarding Boxing - hmm.. quite a grey area.  I have to put a
disclaimer in here - what I don't know about rules of boxing would fill
several warehouses.  The winner of a boxing match could be determined
as the contender that delivers a knockout blow (crooked judges and
fixed matches aside).  My gut feel is that boxing is a sport, but if a
match is ended prior to a knockout, then this is where the scoring
becomes ambiguous.

Certainly, as another poster has suggested, points can be awarded for
the number of punches landed, but how does one define a 'punch'?  I
think that in this instance, either a draw be declared, or additional
rounds be fought until a clear winner can be determined.

Of course, I'm not about to argue with any boxers that want to assert
otherwise... :-)

 
 
 

Sportsguy Bryant Gumbel Says It's Not A Sport If No Blacks Play

Post by Tank Fixe » Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:28:46


 on 25 Feb 2006 16:15:16 -0000,

Quote:
> Bryant Gumbel

Is a moron

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