Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by Gregory Baile » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:08:23


Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where this will
happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they going to
do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual
inconsistency?

The fact that they have not codified this in their ever-changing rule book
makes me fear the latter might be the case.

Greg B.

 
 
 

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by Johnny Ma » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:33:08

But of coarse  :)


Quote:
> Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where this
will
> happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they going to
> do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual
> inconsistency?

> The fact that they have not codified this in their ever-changing rule book
> makes me fear the latter might be the case.

> Greg B.


 
 
 

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by Mike Marlo » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:13:45


Quote:
> Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where this
will
> happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they going to
> do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual
> inconsistency?

> The fact that they have not codified this in their ever-changing rule book
> makes me fear the latter might be the case.

> Greg B.

This question was resolved last year.  The answer is yes, except sometimes
when it's no.  EIRI still applies to all other situations.

-Mike-


 
 
 

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by -v- » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:19:12


Quote:
> Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where this
will
> happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they going to
> do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual
> inconsistency?

It depends.
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Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by Crusade » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:06:32

Quote:

> Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where this will
> happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they going to
> do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual> inconsistency?

> The fact that they have not codified this in their ever-changing rule book
> makes me fear the latter might be the case.

> Greg B.

So far in the last season and a half (IIRC), NA$CAR has been consistent
in displaying the redflag near the end of the races.
IMO, it would be best to write into the rulebook the Green/White/Checkers
rule NA$CAR employs in the Truck Series.

My guess as to why so many are disturbed by this latest 'trend' of redflag-displaying,
is that NA$CAR officials, using their personal discretion, could decide that if
a particular driver is leading, they might display the redflag. If a different driver
is leading, they might display the yellowflag and finish the race under caution.
Is this the issue?
CRU

 
 
 

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by Mike Marlo » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:28:30



Quote:
> > Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where this
will
> > happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they going
to
> > do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual>
inconsistency?

> > The fact that they have not codified this in their ever-changing rule
book
> > makes me fear the latter might be the case.

> > Greg B.

> So far in the last season and a half (IIRC), NA$CAR has been consistent
> in displaying the redflag near the end of the races.
> IMO, it would be best to write into the rulebook the Green/White/Checkers
> rule NA$CAR employs in the Truck Series.

> My guess as to why so many are disturbed by this latest 'trend' of
redflag-displaying,
> is that NA$CAR officials, using their personal discretion, could decide
that if
> a particular driver is leading, they might display the redflag. If a
different driver
> is leading, they might display the yellowflag and finish the race under
caution.
> Is this the issue?
> CRU

But... as bad as they are at interpreting the rules by the day, they've
never done anything to give anyone reason to expect what you're suggesting
here Cru.  Well - Ok, maybe a couple of suspicious "debris on the track"
cautions from time to time, but...

-Mike-

 
 
 

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by John McC » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:56:48

Quote:

>My guess as to why so many are disturbed by this latest 'trend' of redflag-displaying,
>is that NA$CAR officials, using their personal discretion, could decide that if
>a particular driver is leading, they might display the redflag. If a different driver
>is leading, they might display the yellowflag and finish the race under caution.
>Is this the issue?

I'm concerned about NASCAR unwisely making use of their discretion, altho not
in exactly the manner you describe.  I'm more concerned that if a race should be in
a fuel mileage situation, the teams should know what will happen in different cases,
so they can plan their fuel strategy appropriately.  It takes more fuel to run 5 laps with
a stop & start in the middle than it does to run 5 laps under the green or yellow.

John

 
 
 

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by 43Fa » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:04:26


Quote:





> > > Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where this
> will
> > > happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they
going
> to
> > > do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual>
> inconsistency?

> > > The fact that they have not codified this in their ever-changing rule
> book
> > > makes me fear the latter might be the case.

> > > Greg B.

> > So far in the last season and a half (IIRC), NA$CAR has been consistent
> > in displaying the redflag near the end of the races.
> > IMO, it would be best to write into the rulebook the

Green/White/Checkers

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Quote:
> > rule NA$CAR employs in the Truck Series.

> > My guess as to why so many are disturbed by this latest 'trend' of
> redflag-displaying,
> > is that NA$CAR officials, using their personal discretion, could decide
> that if
> > a particular driver is leading, they might display the redflag. If a
> different driver
> > is leading, they might display the yellowflag and finish the race under
> caution.
> > Is this the issue?
> > CRU

> But... as bad as they are at interpreting the rules by the day, they've
> never done anything to give anyone reason to expect what you're suggesting
> here Cru.  Well - Ok, maybe a couple of suspicious "debris on the track"
> cautions from time to time, but...

Well, actually they have.. or something very similar anyway.  Heck, I can't
even remember the track now unfortunately, but everyone had pitted and there
were three cars on the lead lap, Andretti, M.Waltrip and Jimmy Spencer I
believe(I know Andretti was). I believe it was '99.  Debris laying on the
backstretch that a caution should've been thrown for.. however, Nascar
waited, approx. 5 laps or so, til those three came in the pits.. as soon as
they entered pit road, the yellow was thrown.  Agreed that it would've taken
ALL the top names out of contention to win, but also feel that if Gordon, at
that time Earnhardt and say Jarrett were the only three on the lead lap, the
caution would've flown immediately, and let the race be decided amongst
those three.

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Quote:

> -Mike-


 
 
 

Red flag to ensure green-flag finish?

Post by Mike Marlo » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:17:22


Quote:







> > > > Do you think NASCAR has now established this as a precedent where
this
> > will
> > > > happen whenever this situation arises from now on ... or are they
> going
> > to
> > > > do it selectively, whenever they want to do it, with their usual>
> > inconsistency?

> > > > The fact that they have not codified this in their ever-changing
rule
> > book
> > > > makes me fear the latter might be the case.

> > > > Greg B.

> > > So far in the last season and a half (IIRC), NA$CAR has been
consistent
> > > in displaying the redflag near the end of the races.
> > > IMO, it would be best to write into the rulebook the
> Green/White/Checkers
> > > rule NA$CAR employs in the Truck Series.

> > > My guess as to why so many are disturbed by this latest 'trend' of
> > redflag-displaying,
> > > is that NA$CAR officials, using their personal discretion, could
decide
> > that if
> > > a particular driver is leading, they might display the redflag. If a
> > different driver
> > > is leading, they might display the yellowflag and finish the race
under
> > caution.
> > > Is this the issue?
> > > CRU

> > But... as bad as they are at interpreting the rules by the day, they've
> > never done anything to give anyone reason to expect what you're
suggesting
> > here Cru.  Well - Ok, maybe a couple of suspicious "debris on the track"
> > cautions from time to time, but...

> Well, actually they have.. or something very similar anyway.  Heck, I
can't
> even remember the track now unfortunately, but everyone had pitted and
there
> were three cars on the lead lap, Andretti, M.Waltrip and Jimmy Spencer I
> believe(I know Andretti was). I believe it was '99.  Debris laying on the
> backstretch that a caution should've been thrown for.. however, Nascar
> waited, approx. 5 laps or so, til those three came in the pits.. as soon
as
> they entered pit road, the yellow was thrown.  Agreed that it would've
taken
> ALL the top names out of contention to win, but also feel that if Gordon,
at
> that time Earnhardt and say Jarrett were the only three on the lead lap,
the
> caution would've flown immediately, and let the race be decided amongst
> those three.

Oh - I know it does happen.  That's why I tried to make a tongue in cheek
denial.  The discretionary use of yellows is very annoying - no matter which
driver you pull for.  The race does not need this type of meddling.

-Mike-