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What Happened...What Happened?

Post by DollarBil » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:13


I missed the race today due to a prior work commitment.  When is the replay?
Sounds like it might be worth staying up late.

TS takes the points lead!!  Yeah!!  :>)  :>)

Jamie McMurray one lap down.  Not too bad.  How'd he look?  JG DNF? :)  JJ
DNF?

22 cars on the lead lap.  Were they all packed up at the end?  Did nascar's
experiment seem to work or was it a failure.

TIA.

--
Gotta Go...FAST!!
-Bill

 
 
 

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Post by Lisa A. Carbre » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:31:51

Ok Bill, here's some of the scoop....[you really ought to plan those work
days better ;-)]

Hendrick had a *major* engine problem today.  You'll notice a lot of cars
running those engines out of the race.
Jamie did ok, needs to work on pit stops some, he stalled it on the first
one, lost him a few seconds.  Not to mention though that he was working with
two  spotters he'd never worked with before [being the spotter for our team
all I can say is *cringe*]. Tony was doing well, just didn't have enough for
Junior [big surprise, right?]

As to the replay, not sure..... I'd bet it'll be on speed at 1am one of
these nights, maybe tonight or tomorrow....

--
Lisa Carbrey
moderator, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated


Quote:
> I missed the race today due to a prior work commitment.  When is the
replay?
> Sounds like it might be worth staying up late.

> TS takes the points lead!!  Yeah!!  :>)  :>)

> Jamie McMurray one lap down.  Not too bad.  How'd he look?  JG DNF? :)  JJ
> DNF?

> 22 cars on the lead lap.  Were they all packed up at the end?  Did
nascar's
> experiment seem to work or was it a failure.

> TIA.

> --
> Gotta Go...FAST!!
> -Bill


 
 
 

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Post by John McC » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:07:25


Quote:
>Ok Bill, here's some of the scoop....[you really ought to plan those work
>days better ;-)]

>Hendrick had a *major* engine problem today.  You'll notice a lot of cars
>running those engines out of the race.

Gordon said a (valve spring) retainer failed in his engine, they never did report
on any of the others (but since Johnson said he was "on 7 cylinders" I wouldn't
be surprised if it was the same thing).  I'd guess the Hendrick engine shop was
trying some light weight parts hoping to cut down on the power needed to turn
the valve train.

Quote:
>Jamie did ok, needs to work on pit stops some, he stalled it on the first
>one, lost him a few seconds.

Thought he did very well, all things considered.  About 20 other guys stalled
on their pit stops too, so you can't slam him for that.

Quote:
> Tony was doing well, just didn't have enough for
>Junior [big surprise, right?]

Typical restrictor plate race there - line 6 cars up single file and watch them
go in circles for 20 laps without any position changes.

Quote:


>> I missed the race today due to a prior work commitment.  When is the
>> 22 cars on the lead lap.  Were they all packed up at the end?  Did
>nascar's
>> experiment seem to work or was it a failure.

No, they ended up strung out, but only because the mileage worked out that
about half of them had to pit shortly before the end.  There was about 8 cars
in the lead group at the end.  During the event, it would take about 5 laps
for a big pack to reform after pit stops, then there'd be about 20 laps of "normal"
Talladega racing before the next set of pit stops would occur.  There was about
a 5 lap spread between the best cars and worst, for mileage, so later in the
race it opened up some (since the poor mileage cars kept pitting earlier & earlier
with respect to the longer runners)

John

 
 
 

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Post by Somebod » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:08:52


Quote:
> I missed the race today due to a prior work commitment.  When is the

replay?

Wednesday on Speed at 8pm.

As normal.

-Russ.

 
 
 

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Post by J Haa » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:13:49

"Lisa A. Carbrey" said in

<snip>

Quote:
> Jamie did ok, needs to work on pit stops some, he stalled it on the
> first one, lost him a few seconds.

This is understandable though. These were just about the worst conditions
you can get to do a first pitstop during competition. Plate track (less HP
and tall first gear), under green, and a nice hot sticky left rear tire.
 
 
 

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Post by Lisa A. Carbre » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:18:43

Just to clear things up... Jamie did a great job with what he got tossed
into... no prep time there. This was the only mistake I really saw him make,
which I'd say is remarkable given the circumstances....

--
Lisa Carbrey
moderator, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated


Quote:
> "Lisa A. Carbrey" said in

> <snip>
> > Jamie did ok, needs to work on pit stops some, he stalled it on the
> > first one, lost him a few seconds.

> This is understandable though. These were just about the worst conditions
> you can get to do a first pitstop during competition. Plate track (less HP
> and tall first gear), under green, and a nice hot sticky left rear tire.

 
 
 

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Post by NCTSCrewMembe » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 04:26:55

ONLY Hendrick car that finished with no apparent problems was the #25
Nemechek car


Quote:


> >Hendrick had a *major* engine problem today.  You'll notice a lot of cars
> >running those engines out of the race.

> I think ALL of the Hendrick motors died.  Six motors and finishes from
> 37-42.

> Is "puppy love" ***?

 
 
 

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Post by J Haa » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 04:34:42

Quote:

> ONLY Hendrick car that finished with no apparent problems was the #25
> Nemechek car

According to nascar.com's results he fell out on lap 155 with engine
problems and finished 39th.
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Post by NCTSCrewMembe » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 05:47:56


Quote:

> > ONLY Hendrick car that finished with no apparent problems was the #25
> > Nemechek car

> According to nascar.com's results he fell out on lap 155 with engine
> problems and finished 39th.

YEAH,.. I'm and idiot...  I knew I saw him running late in the race, (was
there),... WAY later than any of the other Hendrick cars.... but he must
have fell out and I never saw him.   MY BAD
 
 
 

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Post by Martin X. Moleski, S » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:08:01


Quote:

>YEAH,.. ... ...  I knew I saw him running late in the race, (was
>there),...

That means you owe us a UCAP: the story of what you saw
and heard Up Close And Personal.  :o)

                                        Marty

 
 
 

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Post by John McC » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:21:41

Quote:

>I think ALL of the Hendrick motors died.  Six motors and finishes from
>37-42.

I wonder if there has ever before been a case where 6 cars from (essentially)
the same shop all finished in a block of 6 consecutive positions?

John

 
 
 

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Post by NCTSCrewMembe » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:08:30



Quote:


> >YEAH,.. ... ...  I knew I saw him running late in the race, (was
> >there),...
> That means you owe us a UCAP: the story of what you saw
> and heard Up Close And Personal.  :o)
> Marty

WELL OK,... (always wondered what that was... hehe)  Anyway, I went to the
race with some friends who came in to visit from Oklahoma, and we didn't do
much but go to the souvenir venders and buy a couple t-shirts and a couple
diecast.  Went to the seats and chatted for a while and didn't turn on the
scanners until just before race time.
I don't know much about scanners to be quite honest.  Even though I work on
our NCTS race team, (and am used to being able to talk back and using
regular racing radios)  I didn't know how to program the darn thing, and my
buddy programmed it for me.
We printed out a scanner frequency list and took it along and it seemed to
have all the right frequencies on it...
ONLY problems I had was THIS.  When I just scanned; the scanner seemed to
always pick up the 22, 88, 66, 29, and 21 cars,... but virtually no one
else.  IF I had the scanner "hold" and put it on the other drivers and let
it just STAY there it would ALSO pick them up (so I know I had their
frequencies right)... but they didn't come in when scanning... so I was
confused.

As far as what I heard...  as MOST of you know that go to BIG tracks like
Dega it gets pretty boring.  Lots of "clear low", "3-wide", "inside", and
stuff like that.... not much other chatter.  Did hear some stuff about when
they would be pitting, but most teams were pretty 'tight-lipped' with pit
strategy and not much info forthcoming over the radio.

I guess the most interesting thing I heard was when Harvick ran out of gas
just before he was supposed to pit for his SECOND fuel stop.  He ran out of
gas on the back straight, and was pretty unhappy.  He told he crew chief to
"just throw that F**king computer in the trash and figure gas mileage in his
head from now on"...  He finally coasted into the pits and lost two laps.

Sorry I can't tell you much more... We drove to the track (about 2 1/2 hours
away) went to the race, and drove home all in one day,.. so I didn't go into
the pits or anything.   Had a buddy I work with at a local short track who
is also a NASCAR official and he ask me if he wanted me to have him put me
and the wife on the guest list so we could get into the garage, but we
decided since I go with a NCTS team, we could do that anytime, so we just
didn't do it.

WHEN we get to racing our NCTS TRUCK again on a regular basis I'll have some
juicy UCAP stories for you folks... heheh

 
 
 

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Post by Martin X. Moleski, S » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:19:24


Quote:

> ... a UCAP: the story of what you saw
>> and heard Up Close And Personal.  :o)
>WELL OK,... (always wondered what that was... hehe)

The tradition goes way back in rasn.  :o)

Quote:
> ... I guess the most interesting thing I heard was when Harvick ran out of gas
>just before he was supposed to pit for his SECOND fuel stop.  He ran out of
>gas on the back straight, and was pretty unhappy.  He told he crew chief to
>"just throw that F**king computer in the trash and figure gas mileage in his
>head from now on"...  He finally coasted into the pits and lost two laps.

Yep, that's perfect UCAP material.  KH is certainly struggling this
year, isn't he?

Quote:
>Sorry I can't tell you much more... We drove to the track (about 2 1/2 hours
>away) went to the race, and drove home all in one day,.. so I didn't go into
>the pits or anything.   Had a buddy I work with at a local short track who
>is also a NASCAR official and he ask me if he wanted me to have him put me
>and the wife on the guest list so we could get into the garage, but we
>decided since I go with a NCTS team, we could do that anytime, so we just
>didn't do it.

Ooooooooh, nooooooo!  Remember, you're our eyes and ears
at the track!  Get in there next time and collect some gossip for
us.  :-O

Quote:
>WHEN we get to racing our NCTS TRUCK again on a regular basis I'll have some
>juicy UCAP stories for you folks... heheh

Looking forward to them.  Many thanks again!

                                        Marty

 
 
 

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Post by Somebod » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:30:12


Quote:
> ONLY problems I had was THIS.  When I just scanned; the scanner seemed to
> always pick up the 22, 88, 66, 29, and 21 cars,... but virtually no one
> else.  IF I had the scanner "hold" and put it on the other drivers and let
> it just STAY there it would ALSO pick them up (so I know I had their
> frequencies right)... but they didn't come in when scanning... so I was
> confused.

Don't know about your scanner/situation.  But I could replicate that
behavior on mine if I did the following...

a) only put in the primary frequencies for drivers in the twenties, on a day
when the 20, 24, 25, 26, 28 cars were using one of their 2 or 3 alternates.
b) only had banks 3, 7, and 8 activated (twenties,  sixties and eighties),
hence limiting my scan pattern.
c) Accidentally activated the "Priority" tag for some of the frequencies you
mentioned.

A few hints that have helped me have a good scanner experience:

1)  buy (or borrow from somebody) a list at the track from RE it has today's
frequencies including the ones that are using alternates
2)  Use the bank feature to limit your scan to drivers you're interested in
while you scan, less freqs equals faster scans and less missed transmissions
3)  Program some drivers in alternate areas so that you can use the banks
more effectively.  Eg Put Ward and Sadler at 72 and 71 so you can find them
if you want them but they don't interrupt your bank scan OR
4)  Use the lockout feature on drivers you don't want in your scan, you can
always pull them up manually with the numbers or the knob
5)  Use the delay feature so you don't miss replies for the drivers you're
really interested in.
6)  Set the Priority on the drivers you're really, really interested in.
7)  Program the NASCAR feeds and the media feeds into the nineties (or other
high bank if you have more than 10)

-Russ.

 
 
 

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Post by NCTSCrewMembe » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:24:35


Quote:



> > ONLY problems I had was THIS.  When I just scanned; the scanner seemed
to
> > always pick up the 22, 88, 66, 29, and 21 cars,... but virtually no one
> > else.  IF I had the scanner "hold" and put it on the other drivers and
let
> > it just STAY there it would ALSO pick them up (so I know I had their
> > frequencies right)... but they didn't come in when scanning... so I was
> > confused.

> Don't know about your scanner/situation.  But I could replicate that
> behavior on mine if I did the following...

> a) only put in the primary frequencies for drivers in the twenties, on a
day
> when the 20, 24, 25, 26, 28 cars were using one of their 2 or 3

alternates.
Like I said,... I had a buddy load in the numbers, but we did it together,
and I'm fairly sure he did all primary freq's

Quote:
> b) only had banks 3, 7, and 8 activated (twenties,  sixties and eighties),
> hence limiting my scan pattern.

NOW THIS could have been the problem... Having borrowed it from someone they
could have already had some banks activated and me not known it...

Quote:
> c) Accidentally activated the "Priority" tag for some of the frequencies
you
> mentioned.
> A few hints that have helped me have a good scanner experience:

> 1)  buy (or borrow from somebody) a list at the track from RE it has
today's
> frequencies including the ones that are using alternates

Got a up to date list from the internet... (dated 9/1)  Listed all
frequencies and about 2 or 3 alternates for all the teams.
I know they change from time to time,... but being part of a NCTS team I
also know what a a problem it is to go in and have all the frequencies
changed on ALL the team radios at the racing radios hauler.  IT IS possible
they have radio frequecies they never release to the public.

Quote:
> 2)  Use the bank feature to limit your scan to drivers you're interested
in
> while you scan, less freqs equals faster scans and less missed
transmissions
> 3)  Program some drivers in alternate areas so that you can use the banks
> more effectively.  Eg Put Ward and Sadler at 72 and 71 so you can find
them
> if you want them but they don't interrupt your bank scan OR

I guess I am just a rookie,... I put in each cars scanner frequency in
relation to his car number
I'l never remember weho was what number doing it the way you suggest... I'd
never know who I was listening to.

Quote:
> 4)  Use the lockout feature on drivers you don't want in your scan, you
can
> always pull them up manually with the numbers or the knob

Did this... only picked about 12 or 15 teams to scan and locked out every
other number

Quote:
> 5)  Use the delay feature so you don't miss replies for the drivers you're
> really interested in.

oooohhh   Didn't knwo what THAT was for either.

Quote:
> 6)  Set the Priority on the drivers you're really, really interested in.

DIDN'T know you could do this either.... BE NICE if I would have got an
instruction book with this thinkg... hahahah

Quote:
> 7)  Program the NASCAR feeds and the media feeds into the nineties (or
other
> high bank if you have more than 10)

I started to put in some NASCAR feeds, but just never did.
GUESS I should have asked how to use all the features on this thing BEFORE I
went to the race... then again I figured they would send along the
instructions... hahaha