Henry to Bar?a: four year contract

Henry to Bar?a: four year contract

Post by symbiotr.. » Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:20:04



Quote:



> > > Big mistake.
> > > You heard it here first. Barca is showing all the signs
> > > of Real Madrid 5 years ago, signing big names with
> > > no plan in place.

> > I am not so sure of that, but a great (unarguably great in this case)
> > player by himself cannot solve structural problems. It all depends on
> > what Rijkaard wants to do with the team. He has several problems.
> > Edmilson will be out for six months with the same old bad knee injury.
> > Puyol needs to be operated on (torn knee ligament) and will be out
> > three or four months. I think Bar?a needs to hire (or promote) a
> > couple of strong players for its defense, as well as a couple of
> > players for midfield, preferably ones who can both defend and attack.
> > It looks like they might try for Schweinsteiger, finally, but why on
> > earth would Bayern Munich get rid of a young player like that? There
> > is also talk of hiring Jorge Andrade as a central defender, but
> > Andrade has had physical problems and he was irregular this past
> > season (the part that he did play). And Bar?a also needs to get rid of
> > Deco, a player that has exhausted his cycle at the club. Apparently,
> > they will also get rid of Giuly, ironically one of the subs who has
> > played well whenever he has been called on. There is also a rumor
> > about hiring Heinze, something which I oppose on humanitarian
> > principles (I don't like thugs and I especially don't like them in my
> > club). By the way, Real Madrid is also talking about Heinze...

> > I hope something gets rebuilt here, otherwise I fear a central defense
> > consisting of Thuram and Oleguer, not a heartwarming prospect except
> > for our opponents, of course.

> > Lastly, I wish Henry the best of stays in a new country and city, and
> > I hope he can show what he can do, which is plenty. He seems to have
> > matured vastly, so I don't fear trouble of a personal nature or with
> > his team-mates or the coach.

> > Best,

> > SMT

> Ronaldinho, Etoo, Henry, Messi. Sounds galactico to me.
> Is there any desire on the part of these players to win trophies
> for Barca? Henry and Etoo are proven prima donnas, they
> have huge egos and cannot lose gracefully. Nobody matures
> overnight, so I doubt these 2 will.

> Who will sit on the bench? Because someone has to,
> else Barca have no chance. As you point out, a defense
> of Thuram and Oleguer is bad enough. You need stoppers,
> defensive midfielders, at least 1 attacking fullback,
> a holding midfielder and a playmaker ( unless you want
> Ronaldinho to carry that load one more season, which
> is cruel ). Iniesta may step up to the plate, but I have
> never been convinced by him.

Actually, Iniesta has held up very well under unfavorable
circumstances. There is a strong rumor that a big Italian club is
after him. The big hole in midfield has been created by Deco, who has
been abysmal for the past two years (with occasional flashes, but
overall very bad, looking tired and not contributing nearly as much as
he used to, not scoring, etc.). Ronaldinho is not that kind of player,
neither are Xavi and Iniesta. With van Bommel gone and Edmilson
injured a lot of the time or simply benched, Barcelona has lacked
substance. Sometimes brilliance has made up for it, but you just cant
expect that to happen regularly. The lines arent solid enough. You
could put Pel in and the results would still be far from outstanding:
a great team cannot lose as many points as Barcelona did this year.
And consider that Vctor Valds has matured and become a fine
goalkeeper... he has been doing for Barcelona what Casillas did for RM
for the past 5 years, hold the fort.

Best,

SMT

 
 
 

Henry to Bar?a: four year contract

Post by Enzo » Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:20:21


Quote:




> > > > Big mistake.
> > > > You heard it here first. Barca is showing all the signs
> > > > of Real Madrid 5 years ago, signing big names with
> > > > no plan in place.

> > > I am not so sure of that, but a great (unarguably great in this case)
> > > player by himself cannot solve structural problems. It all depends on
> > > what Rijkaard wants to do with the team. He has several problems.
> > > Edmilson will be out for six months with the same old bad knee injury.
> > > Puyol needs to be operated on (torn knee ligament) and will be out
> > > three or four months. I think Bar?a needs to hire (or promote) a
> > > couple of strong players for its defense, as well as a couple of
> > > players for midfield, preferably ones who can both defend and attack.
> > > It looks like they might try for Schweinsteiger, finally, but why on
> > > earth would Bayern Munich get rid of a young player like that? There
> > > is also talk of hiring Jorge Andrade as a central defender, but
> > > Andrade has had physical problems and he was irregular this past
> > > season (the part that he did play). And Bar?a also needs to get rid of
> > > Deco, a player that has exhausted his cycle at the club. Apparently,
> > > they will also get rid of Giuly, ironically one of the subs who has
> > > played well whenever he has been called on. There is also a rumor
> > > about hiring Heinze, something which I oppose on humanitarian
> > > principles (I don't like thugs and I especially don't like them in my
> > > club). By the way, Real Madrid is also talking about Heinze...

> > > I hope something gets rebuilt here, otherwise I fear a central defense
> > > consisting of Thuram and Oleguer, not a heartwarming prospect except
> > > for our opponents, of course.

> > > Lastly, I wish Henry the best of stays in a new country and city, and
> > > I hope he can show what he can do, which is plenty. He seems to have
> > > matured vastly, so I don't fear trouble of a personal nature or with
> > > his team-mates or the coach.

> > > Best,

> > > SMT

> > Ronaldinho, Etoo, Henry, Messi. Sounds galactico to me.
> > Is there any desire on the part of these players to win trophies
> > for Barca? Henry and Etoo are proven prima donnas, they
> > have huge egos and cannot lose gracefully. Nobody matures
> > overnight, so I doubt these 2 will.

> > Who will sit on the bench? Because someone has to,
> > else Barca have no chance. As you point out, a defense
> > of Thuram and Oleguer is bad enough. You need stoppers,
> > defensive midfielders, at least 1 attacking fullback,
> > a holding midfielder and a playmaker ( unless you want
> > Ronaldinho to carry that load one more season, which
> > is cruel ). Iniesta may step up to the plate, but I have
> > never been convinced by him.

> Actually, Iniesta has held up very well under unfavorable
> circumstances. There is a strong rumor that a big Italian club is
> after him.

Actually Iniesta has played well but look at his minutes.
You have to consider whether he is a player to build your
midfield around. Can he carry the midfield 50 games a
year? He has never been called upon to do that. Deco
has done it, Xavi did it 2 seasons ago, but Iniesta
has never done it. So he is unproven.

I doubt whether Iniesta will do well in Italy.

Quote:
> The big hole in midfield has been created by Deco, who has
> been abysmal for the past two years (with occasional flashes, but
> overall very bad, looking tired and not contributing nearly as much as
> he used to, not scoring, etc.). Ronaldinho is not that kind of player,
> neither are Xavi and Iniesta. With van Bommel gone and Edmilson
> injured a lot of the time or simply benched, Barcelona has lacked
> substance.

Also Rafa Marquez. The great season Barca had was primarily
due to the roles played by Rafa, van Bommel, Edmilson, Etoo and
Deco who were the 5 missing this year. Ronaldinho did
well enough.

Quote:
>Sometimes brilliance has made up for it, but you just cant
> expect that to happen regularly. The lines arent solid enough. You
> could put Pel in and the results would still be far from outstanding:

Which is exactly my point. Barca dont need a superstar forward.
They need world class or even semi-world class in a bunch of
other positions.

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Quote:
> a great team cannot lose as many points as Barcelona did this year.
> And consider that Vctor Valds has matured and become a fine
> goalkeeper... he has been doing for Barcelona what Casillas did for RM
> for the past 5 years, hold the fort.

> Best,

> SMT- Hide quoted text -

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Henry to Bar?a: four year contract

Post by symbiotr.. » Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:34:06


Quote:
> Also Rafa Marquez. The great season Barca had was primarily
> due to the roles played by Rafa, van Bommel, Edmilson, Etoo and
> Deco who were the 5 missing this year. Ronaldinho did
> well enough.

Agreed, and the first big recovery effort was led by Davids, who
foolishly left after half a season to fail at Inter... By the way, it
looks like Mrquez may be on his way out, too. Given the state of
Bar?a's defense, an older but able guy like Ayala would feel like a
great relief. Unfortunately, Villarreal hired him for less than what
Thiago Motta costs us, and Thiago contributes nothing.

Quote:
> >Sometimes brilliance has made up for it, but you just cant
> > expect that to happen regularly. The lines arent solid enough. You
> > could put Pel in and the results would still be far from outstanding:

> Which is exactly my point. Barca dont need a superstar forward.
> They need world class or even semi-world class in a bunch of
> other positions.

Agreed, and in that sense one can indeed warn about the danger of the
Efecto Galctico... all stars and no real leadership, no real force
and stability where it's needed. I still marvel at Real Madrid's
season: Capello brought in two tractors for midfield (actually three,
with the kid Higuan playing well) and won the league with _one_ star
forward. By the way, I saw a poll in which 2/3 of RM's fans said they
want Capello to continue. Perhaps people aren't as dumb as the
press...

Best,

SMT