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by **Aqua Di Gi** » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Sweden in 94 against Brazil

>Unfortunately Svensson chose another strategy compared with the group match
>and the other Swedish matches. We should have played our game.

Pathetic excuses for a loss.

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Aqua
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"If we'd had a kid in England with the talent of Zinedine Zidane, half
of that skill would have been knocked out of him," said Lineker
"The top teams have creative players performing at high pace in a new
modern
game, with good defenders who are comfortable with the ball. All the
players can
really play."

Lineker told the Sun newspaper Tuesday: "That is not the case with
England. Every time our defenders got the ball, it was humped towards
Alan Shearer and Michael Owen. It was out-of-date football. It was 20
years-old. It was a step back to that predictable, long, rushed game of
ours."

Lineker believes it is about time that England started looking to their
Continental neighbours for advice on how develop youth football.
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Quote:

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Happy Endings, welcome back beautiful game.

>Actually, I am a born loser, but I come into this newsgroup to feel good
>about myself, all things being relative.

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A delusional Swede, perhaps after smoking a joint said:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

>Sweden should have been in the final! We outplayed Italy totally. We should
>have won 7-3 against them!

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

{Brazil vs Sweden 1994 Semi-Final}:
Brazil did indeed score 7 goals. They were just not televised and FIFA lost
the
protocol but knew that Brazil had won so they decided on 1-0

by **Aqua Di Gi** » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Unless, of course, you're an idiot that has fun watching matches full
>of goals and defensive mistakes (eg. like Brasil-Denmark '98).

Its obvious that he is. Read his admissions in my new signature below:

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Aqua
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"If we'd had a kid in England with the talent of Zinedine Zidane, half
of that skill would have been knocked out of him," said Lineker
"The top teams have creative players performing at high pace in a new
modern
game, with good defenders who are comfortable with the ball. All the
players can
really play."

Lineker told the Sun newspaper Tuesday: "That is not the case with
England. Every time our defenders got the ball, it was humped towards
Alan Shearer and Michael Owen. It was out-of-date football. It was 20
years-old. It was a step back to that predictable, long, rushed game of
ours."

Lineker believes it is about time that England started looking to their
Continental neighbours for advice on how develop youth football.
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Quote:

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Happy Endings, welcome back beautiful game.

>Actually, I am a born loser, but I come into this newsgroup to feel good
>about myself, all things being relative.

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A delusional Swede, perhaps after smoking a joint said:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

>Sweden should have been in the final! We outplayed Italy totally. We should
>have won 7-3 against them!

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

{Brazil vs Sweden 1994 Semi-Final}:
Brazil did indeed score 7 goals. They were just not televised and FIFA lost
the
protocol but knew that Brazil had won so they decided on 1-0

>Claudio Mantelli

>Remove SPAMMERSF*CK from my email address to reply

by **Aqua Di Gi** » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>> >> Football is a game that provides the win to the team that scores 1
>> >> goal more than the opponent.
>> >> Criticizing excessive defense has the same meaning of criticizing
>> >> excessive attack.

>> >I am not advocating excessive attack. I think France are a good
>> >team to watch. Enough said?

>> What France? The France that won WC98 without a striker, reaching the
>> final after beating Paraguay at the last minute of overtime with a
>> header by Blanc, and beated Italy on penalties?
>> Or the France that has been dominated by Denmark (!) and massively
>> defended against Spain and Portugal?

>No, the France that beat Italy in the Euro 2000 final and have Zidane and
>Henry, players the like of which Italy have never had.

ROTFLMAO. Henry?!? We already have better in Vieri, Totti, even Del Piero
and Inzaghi...Henry is only a fast runner, thats it.

Zidane? Gee I guess his last two seasons in the Serie A have completely
mesmerized you, and even his performance (non existant) in the Finals.
Go away you pathetic troll.

Quote:

>> I have nothing against France, but if you pretend that they play a
>> complete different game than Italy usually does, you're wrong (once
>> again).

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Aqua
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"If we'd had a kid in England with the talent of Zinedine Zidane, half
of that skill would have been knocked out of him," said Lineker
"The top teams have creative players performing at high pace in a new
modern
game, with good defenders who are comfortable with the ball. All the
players can
really play."

Lineker told the Sun newspaper Tuesday: "That is not the case with
England. Every time our defenders got the ball, it was humped towards
Alan Shearer and Michael Owen. It was out-of-date football. It was 20
years-old. It was a step back to that predictable, long, rushed game of
ours."

Lineker believes it is about time that England started looking to their
Continental neighbours for advice on how develop youth football.
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Quote:

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Happy Endings, welcome back beautiful game.

>Actually, I am a born loser, but I come into this newsgroup to feel good
>about myself, all things being relative.

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A delusional Swede, perhaps after smoking a joint said:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

>Sweden should have been in the final! We outplayed Italy totally. We should
>have won 7-3 against them!

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

{Brazil vs Sweden 1994 Semi-Final}:
Brazil did indeed score 7 goals. They were just not televised and FIFA lost
the
protocol but knew that Brazil had won so they decided on 1-0

by **Aqua Di Gi** » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>> > Thank you for proving my point.
>> Nope. Your point is DISPROVEN.
>you are wierd.
-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Happy Endings, welcome back beautiful game.

>Actually, I am a born loser, but I come into this newsgroup to feel good
>about myself, all things being relative.

-
Aqua
------

"If we'd had a kid in England with the talent of Zinedine Zidane, half
of that skill would have been knocked out of him," said Lineker
"The top teams have creative players performing at high pace in a new
modern
game, with good defenders who are comfortable with the ball. All the
players can
really play."

Lineker told the Sun newspaper Tuesday: "That is not the case with
England. Every time our defenders got the ball, it was humped towards
Alan Shearer and Michael Owen. It was out-of-date football. It was 20
years-old. It was a step back to that predictable, long, rushed game of
ours."

Lineker believes it is about time that England started looking to their
Continental neighbours for advice on how develop youth football.

by **Aqua Di Gi** » Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Sure, so do I. But then the first 30 minutes of Italy-Cameroon
>in WC '98, or the first 30 minutes of Italy-Turkey in Euro 2000
>were also displays of attacking football. I stand by my statement:
>the football exhibited by Sacchi's Italy was in no way different
>from that of Maldini's or Zoff's team. Trapattoni has said exactly
>the same thing in his opening press conference as national team coach.
>Daniele

I would like to see what kind of innovative soccer Trap has in store for
Italy. Personally I would like to see Italy use their skill and destroy
teams 3 or 4-0. However, it is many times not necessary, and I do enjoy a
good tackle sometimes as much as a good goal. Maldini is awesome and so
precise in his tackling, the only player that has recently been better is
Nesta.

When does Trapattoni's Italy play their first game?

--
Aqua
------

"If we'd had a kid in England with the talent of Zinedine Zidane, half
of that skill would have been knocked out of him," said Lineker
"The top teams have creative players performing at high pace in a new
modern
game, with good defenders who are comfortable with the ball. All the
players can
really play."

Lineker told the Sun newspaper Tuesday: "That is not the case with
England. Every time our defenders got the ball, it was humped towards
Alan Shearer and Michael Owen. It was out-of-date football. It was 20
years-old. It was a step back to that predictable, long, rushed game of
ours."

Lineker believes it is about time that England started looking to their
Continental neighbours for advice on how develop youth football.
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Quote:

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Happy Endings, welcome back beautiful game.

>Actually, I am a born loser, but I come into this newsgroup to feel good
>about myself, all things being relative.

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A delusional Swede, perhaps after smoking a joint said:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

>Sweden should have been in the final! We outplayed Italy totally. We should
>have won 7-3 against them!

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

{Brazil vs Sweden 1994 Semi-Final}:
Brazil did indeed score 7 goals. They were just not televised and FIFA lost
the
protocol but knew that Brazil had won so they decided on 1-0

by **Claudio Mantel** » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Had we met the norwegians they would have probably been more tired
>>than us... :)

>This is a ridiculous excuse. Most games in Brazil are played
>at temperatures that are not too different from Serie A temperatures.

Hmmm...I wouldn't be that sure, considering that 70-80% of matches are
palyed in the north half of Italy, more than the half in norther than
Bologna, that is pretty chill form october till april.

Quote:

>(And this ignores the fact that many Brazilians play in Europe
>anyway, and, if I remember correctly, they had one less day of rest
>before the final)

I'm not sure about the resting, I'd have said the opposite.
Anyway, whatever excuses we may find for one point or its opposite,
the fact is that italian players were more tired than brasilian ones,
be it a merit for them or a demerit for us.

Quote:

>>I still rate the first halves of Italy-Spain and Italy-Bulgaria as
>>attacking football.

>Sure, so do I. But then the first 30 minutes of Italy-Cameroon
>in WC '98, or the first 30 minutes of Italy-Turkey in Euro 2000
>were also displays of attacking football. I stand by my statement:
>the football exhibited by Sacchi's Italy was in no way different
>from that of Maldini's or Zoff's team.

Still disagree. I don't think Sacchi would have ever played a match
like Maldini did against France in '98.
Zoff was rated defensive, but I don't think so, not of a trainer that
lined up a 3-5-2 often becoming (during Euro2000) a 3-4-1-2 or a
3-4-3.

Quote:

>Trapattoni has said exactly
>the same thing in his opening press conference as national team coach.

I rate Trap one of the best trainers and I'm happy to see him on the
italian bench. Though I have fun thinking to the people in Italy that
were fed up with "ultra defensive" Zoff and now are happy to have
Trap...

Claudio Mantelli

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by **-419** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>>>Had we met the norwegians they would have probably been more tired
>>>than us... :)

>>This is a ridiculous excuse. Most games in Brazil are played
>>at temperatures that are not too different from Serie A temperatures.
>Hmmm...I wouldn't be that sure, considering that 70-80% of matches are
>palyed in the north half of Italy, more than the half in norther than
>Bologna, that is pretty chill form october till april.

The point is that many matches in Brazil are played during the
evening, when temperatures are rather cool. It's not that
they play all their matches at 40 degrees heat, like in WC 94.

[...]

Quote:

>>>I still rate the first halves of Italy-Spain and Italy-Bulgaria as
>>>attacking football.

>>Sure, so do I. But then the first 30 minutes of Italy-Cameroon
>>in WC '98, or the first 30 minutes of Italy-Turkey in Euro 2000
>>were also displays of attacking football. I stand by my statement:
>>the football exhibited by Sacchi's Italy was in no way different
>>from that of Maldini's or Zoff's team.
>Still disagree. I don't think Sacchi would have ever played a match
>like Maldini did against France in '98.

He did. The final in 1994. Those two matches bear a lot of resemblances.
In both cases Italy's only chance came with Baggio in extra-time.

Quote:

>Zoff was rated defensive, but I don't think so, not of a trainer that
>lined up a 3-5-2 often becoming (during Euro2000) a 3-4-1-2 or a
>3-4-3.

But Zoff's 3-5-2 was more often than not a 5-3-2, because Maldini
and Zambrotta played more as "backs", than as "wings". Besides,
only in the second half of the final did he play with a real 3-4-1-2,
with Totti behind two strikers.

Quote:

>>Trapattoni has said exactly
>>the same thing in his opening press conference as national team coach.
>I rate Trap one of the best trainers and I'm happy to see him on the
>italian bench. Though I have fun thinking to the people in Italy that
>were fed up with "ultra defensive" Zoff and now are happy to have
>Trap...

I think most of the media are happy with Trap because he's much better
communicationwise. It's just fun to listen to him give interviews.
He really enjoys it: on the other hand, Zoff always looked as if
he couldn't be bothered.

Tactically, not much will change, but I think (I hope) that Trap
will be more determined in playing Totti behind two strikers,
something that Zoff did only reluctantly.

Daniele

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>Claudio Mantelli
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by **bordon_is_g..** » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> >>>Had we met the norwegians they would have probably been more tired
> >>>than us... :)

> >>This is a ridiculous excuse. Most games in Brazil are played
> >>at temperatures that are not too different from Serie A
temperatures.

> >Hmmm...I wouldn't be that sure, considering that 70-80% of matches
are
> >palyed in the north half of Italy, more than the half in norther than
> >Bologna, that is pretty chill form october till april.

> The point is that many matches in Brazil are played during the
> evening, when temperatures are rather cool. It's not that
> they play all their matches at 40 degrees heat, like in WC 94.

In Sao Paulo, it seldom gets hotter than 32 degrees; when it happens,
it generally rains late afternoon - which is the time of non-evening
games.

In Rio, it gets as hot as 40 during the Summer - when pro soccer stops.
However, the vast majority of Rio games are played at 5 PM or later.
The exception being games at some minnows home stadiums, which are most
of them deprived of night lights, therefore games are played at 3PM,
under very hot temperatures.

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by **bordon_is_g..** » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> >>>Had we met the norwegians they would have probably been more tired
> >>>than us... :)

> >>This is a ridiculous excuse. Most games in Brazil are played
> >>at temperatures that are not too different from Serie A
temperatures.

> >Hmmm...I wouldn't be that sure, considering that 70-80% of matches
are
> >palyed in the north half of Italy, more than the half in norther than
> >Bologna, that is pretty chill form october till april.

> The point is that many matches in Brazil are played during the
> evening, when temperatures are rather cool. It's not that
> they play all their matches at 40 degrees heat, like in WC 94.

> [...]

> >>>I still rate the first halves of Italy-Spain and Italy-Bulgaria as
> >>>attacking football.

> >>Sure, so do I. But then the first 30 minutes of Italy-Cameroon
> >>in WC '98, or the first 30 minutes of Italy-Turkey in Euro 2000
> >>were also displays of attacking football. I stand by my statement:
> >>the football exhibited by Sacchi's Italy was in no way different
> >>from that of Maldini's or Zoff's team.

> >Still disagree. I don't think Sacchi would have ever played a match
> >like Maldini did against France in '98.

> He did. The final in 1994. Those two matches bear a lot of
resemblances.
> In both cases Italy's only chance came with Baggio in extra-time.

> >Zoff was rated defensive, but I don't think so, not of a trainer that
> >lined up a 3-5-2 often becoming (during Euro2000) a 3-4-1-2 or a
> >3-4-3.

> But Zoff's 3-5-2 was more often than not a 5-3-2, because Maldini
> and Zambrotta played more as "backs", than as "wings". Besides,
> only in the second half of the final did he play with a real 3-4-1-2,
> with Totti behind two strikers.

> >>Trapattoni has said exactly
> >>the same thing in his opening press conference as national team
coach.

> >I rate Trap one of the best trainers and I'm happy to see him on the
> >italian bench. Though I have fun thinking to the people in Italy that
> >were fed up with "ultra defensive" Zoff and now are happy to have
> >Trap...

> I think most of the media are happy with Trap because he's much better
> communicationwise. It's just fun to listen to him give interviews.
> He really enjoys it: on the other hand, Zoff always looked as if
> he couldn't be bothered.

> Tactically, not much will change, but I think (I hope) that Trap
> will be more determined in playing Totti behind two strikers,
> something that Zoff did only reluctantly.

> Daniele

> >Claudio Mantelli

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> Daniele Paserman

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by **Claudio Mantel** » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>The point is that many matches in Brazil are played during the
>evening, when temperatures are rather cool. It's not that
>they play all their matches at 40 degrees heat, like in WC 94.

Ok, but brasilians are anyway more used to higher temperatures, if not
playing at least in every day life.
You can feel it coming from Roma to Milano, you may imagine from Rio
de Janeiro...

Quote:

>>Still disagree. I don't think Sacchi would have ever played a match
>>like Maldini did against France in '98.

>He did. The final in 1994. Those two matches bear a lot of resemblances.
>In both cases Italy's only chance came with Baggio in extra-time.

Those matches had a big difference: in 1994 we had played 6 matches in
hot and sunny conditions. You may remember that after each match the
players lost even a kilo, so recovering wasn't easy.
In 1998 we had just played 4 matches and in normal conditions, so the
team wasn't that tired.
Baggio himself could barely stand in 1994, while in 1998 he rested a
lot on the bench.

Quote:

>>Zoff was rated defensive, but I don't think so, not of a trainer that
>>lined up a 3-5-2 often becoming (during Euro2000) a 3-4-1-2 or a
>>3-4-3.

>But Zoff's 3-5-2 was more often than not a 5-3-2, because Maldini
>and Zambrotta played more as "backs", than as "wings". Besides,
>only in the second half of the final did he play with a real 3-4-1-2,
>with Totti behind two strikers.

The 3-5-2 turning into a 5-3-2 is something that often happens during
the match and, all in all, one of the reasons for many trainers (see
Lippi) decided to come back to 4-4-2.
It doesn't happen if oyu continously attack like Holland, but that,
indeed, has other disadvantages.

Quote:

>I think most of the media are happy with Trap because he's much better
>communicationwise. It's just fun to listen to him give interviews.
>He really enjoys it: on the other hand, Zoff always looked as if
>he couldn't be bothered.

Yes. But all in all the only important thing here is winning. Zoff is
almost mute, but every journalist was flirting with him when he
reached the final.
Bearzot was almost hated when he broke communications with the media
during 1982, but he became the national hero few days after.
That's the way (and I don't like it) italian media deal with the
national team trainers.

Quote:

>Tactically, not much will change, but I think (I hope) that Trap
>will be more determined in playing Totti behind two strikers,
>something that Zoff did only reluctantly.

Well, Trap has an advantage: he saw how they played in Euro2000.
According to the friendlies, Totti behind the strikers didn't work
completely; in Euro2000 he show different things (fortunately, since
this means he's a mature player).

Claudio Mantelli

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by **bordon_is_g..** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> >The point is that many matches in Brazil are played during the
> >evening, when temperatures are rather cool. It's not that
> >they play all their matches at 40 degrees heat, like in WC 94.

> Ok, but brasilians are anyway more used to higher temperatures, if not
> playing at least in every day life.
> You can feel it coming from Roma to Milano, you may imagine from Rio
> de Janeiro...

Not really. Summer in Roma is warmer than summer in Sao Paulo.
Never mind the Mezzogiorno.

(Anyway, Mantelli, you have a shitty excuse as usual)

Quote:

> >>Still disagree. I don't think Sacchi would have ever played a match
> >>like Maldini did against France in '98.

> >He did. The final in 1994. Those two matches bear a lot of
resemblances.
> >In both cases Italy's only chance came with Baggio in extra-time.

> Those matches had a big difference: in 1994 we had played 6 matches in
> hot and sunny conditions. You may remember that after each match the
> players lost even a kilo, so recovering wasn't easy.
> In 1998 we had just played 4 matches and in normal conditions, so the
> team wasn't that tired.
> Baggio himself could barely stand in 1994, while in 1998 he rested a
> lot on the bench.

Excuses...

Loser...

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by **Claudio Mantel** » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>> Ok, but brasilians are anyway more used to higher temperatures, if not
>> playing at least in every day life.
>> You can feel it coming from Roma to Milano, you may imagine from Rio
>> de Janeiro...

>Not really. Summer in Roma is warmer than summer in Sao Paulo.
>Never mind the Mezzogiorno.

Yes and in L'Aquila it's colder. We can't pick all the cities.
As an average, stats say that Brasil is about 5 degree warmer than
Italy. And not considering that in Mezzogiorno there are 3-4 Serie A
teams, none of which big enough for great players.

Quote:

>(Anyway, Mantelli, you have a shitty excuse as usual)

No comments on your shitty excuses.

Quote:

>> Baggio himself could barely stand in 1994, while in 1998 he rested a
>> lot on the bench.

>Excuses...

Of course. Baggio was perfectly fit as the rest of the team that ran
for 90 minutes pressing all over the pitch.

Quote:

>Loser...

We lost. On penalties. That's true. So what?
Bad winners is the worst aspect of sport.

Claudio Mantelli

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by **bordon_is_g..** » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> >Not really. Summer in Roma is warmer than summer in Sao Paulo.
> >Never mind the Mezzogiorno.

> Yes and in L'Aquila it's colder. We can't pick all the cities.
> As an average, stats say that Brasil is about 5 degree warmer than
> Italy.

Not exactly a big difference, don't you think?

Quote:

> And not considering that in Mezzogiorno there are 3-4 Serie A
> teams, none of which big enough for great players.

A good number of top Italian players comes from Mezzogiorno. The same
cannot be said about Brazil's North-Northeast (only 3 in the WC 94
squad)

Quote:

> >(Anyway, Mantelli, you have a shitty excuse as usual)

> No comments on your shitty excuses.

I need no excuses.

Quote:

> >> Baggio himself could barely stand in 1994, while in 1998 he rested
a
> >> lot on the bench.

> >Excuses...

> Of course. Baggio was perfectly fit as the rest of the team that ran
> for 90 minutes pressing all over the pitch.

It is Italy's problem if Italy had only one world class attacker.

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by **Alex Mizuk** » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Yes and in L'Aquila it's colder. We can't pick all the cities.
> As an average, stats say that Brasil is about 5 degree warmer than

Claudio, can we please drop the lame excuses... Italians should
be every bit as used to extreme heat most Brazilians (I know, I
spent a summer in Italy and I can tell you that it's hotter on
average than Sao Paulo or Parana in the summer).

This 5 degree statistic is bullshit because averages include
winters -- which rarely approach freezing in Brazil. In
fact, the hottest place I've ever been is the US southeast
during the summer (where I'm sure the average temperatures
are also lower because of colder winters)

Alex Mizuki

by **Aqua Di Gi** » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> > >> Baggio himself could barely stand in 1994, while in 1998 he rested
> > >> a lot on the bench.
> > Of course. Baggio was perfectly fit as the rest of the team that ran
> > for 90 minutes pressing all over the pitch.
> It is Italy's problem if Italy had only one world class attacker.

And with all that "world class" attack that Brazil had, they still only
managed...what...0 goals on Italy, and perhaps2 or 3 more in the whole
tournament?

But then again, the Brazil team that won in 1994, played a pretty darned
good European style football, which is, of course, the reason why they won.
Despite having a pretty shoddy defense, playing more organized as a team
made up
for that.

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"If we'd had a kid in England with the talent of Zinedine Zidane, half
of that skill would have been knocked out of him," said Lineker
"The top teams have creative players performing at high pace in a new
modern
game, with good defenders who are comfortable with the ball. All the
players can
really play."

Lineker told the Sun newspaper Tuesday: "That is not the case with
England. Every time our defenders got the ball, it was humped towards
Alan Shearer and Michael Owen. It was out-of-date football. It was 20
years-old. It was a step back to that predictable, long, rushed game of
ours."

Lineker believes it is about time that England started looking to their
Continental neighbours for advice on how develop youth football.
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Quote:

-----Original Message-----

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Happy Endings, welcome back beautiful game.

>Actually, I am a born loser, but I come into this newsgroup to feel good
>about myself, all things being relative.

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A delusional Swede, perhaps after smoking a joint said:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

>Sweden should have been in the final! We outplayed Italy totally. We should
>have won 7-3 against them!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: And someone talked about luck...

{Brazil vs Sweden 1994 Semi-Final}:
Brazil did indeed score 7 goals. They were just not televised and FIFA lost
the
protocol but knew that Brazil had won so they decided on 1-0

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