Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by Donal » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:40:00


"Italy expect De Rossi to be heavily punished by Fifa for the incident which
left McBride needing three stitches."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/italy/5...

What will FIFA do to de Rossi?  What would you do (if anything) were you in
their shoes?  What should the Italian FA do (if anything)?  Evidently de
Rossi has apologized to McBride.  Is he doing so simply to avoid a more
stiff penalty?

Interesting that Lippi seems to contradict the Italian delegate's message
that such actions are not indicative of Italian soccer...

"Giancarlo Abete, head of the Italian delegation, said: "It was a serious
incident but it's not an episode that can represent all of Italian soccer.

"Obviously it was a negative incident but it should be kept in context."

[but Lippi is quoted as saying] "Italian players have these habits and they
have a tough time at international level."

Who is right?  The Italian delegate, or Lippi?

Ron

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by Rollesto » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:29:56

Quote:

> "Italy expect De Rossi to be heavily punished by Fifa for the incident which
> left McBride needing three stitches."

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/italy/5...

> What will FIFA do to de Rossi?  What would you do (if anything) were you in
> their shoes?  

I'd make him play with a banana tied to his head.

R.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by Goldmun » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:51:23

Quote:

>Interesting that Lippi seems to contradict the Italian delegate's message
>that such actions are not indicative of Italian soccer...

>"Giancarlo Abete, head of the Italian delegation, said: "It was a serious
>incident but it's not an episode that can represent all of Italian soccer.

>"Obviously it was a negative incident but it should be kept in context."

>[but Lippi is quoted as saying] "Italian players have these habits and they
>have a tough time at international level."

>Who is right?  The Italian delegate, or Lippi?

>Ron

I don't think that's the right quoting. As far as I remember, Lippi
mentioned the italian habit about sitting dwon after playing a good
game.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by mavigozle » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:09:19


Quote:
> "Italy expect De Rossi to be heavily punished by Fifa for the incident
> which left McBride needing three stitches."

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/italy/509
> 2438.stm

> What will FIFA do to de Rossi?  What would you do (if anything) were
> you in their shoes?  What should the Italian FA do (if anything)?
> Evidently de Rossi has apologized to McBride.  Is he doing so simply
> to avoid a more stiff penalty?

> Interesting that Lippi seems to contradict the Italian delegate's
> message that such actions are not indicative of Italian soccer...

> "Giancarlo Abete, head of the Italian delegation, said: "It was a
> serious incident but it's not an episode that can represent all of
> Italian soccer.

> "Obviously it was a negative incident but it should be kept in
> context."

> [but Lippi is quoted as saying] "Italian players have these habits and
> they have a tough time at international level."

> Who is right?  The Italian delegate, or Lippi?

> Ron

There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't think De
Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.  De Rossi is hoping to play
in the rest of the WC.  FIFA should send his ass home if the Italians do
not have the honor to do so.

We'll see if FIFA is serious about "Fair Play" or not, or if it's just the
usual hypocrisy.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by maelstro » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:20:18


Quote:

> I don't think that's the right quoting. As far as I remember, Lippi
> mentioned the italian habit about sitting dwon after playing a good
> game.

Yes, that and the fact that DeRossi should be careful to not make a bad name
for himself at such a young age, he never talked about italian soccer beeing
***. Beside you rarely see those things happen in Italy and the
punishment is always harsh.
 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by maelstro » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:38:16


Quote:

> There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't think De
> Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.

That's false, everyone here condemned the episode, here some of Lippi's
comments to the major italian newspaper (if you dont speak italian is more
or less what everyone has been saying here):

http://www.corriere.it/Speciali/Extra/2006/Germania2006/articoli/lipp...

Quote:
> De Rossi is hoping to play
> in the rest of the WC.  FIFA should send his ass home if the Italians do
> not have the honor to do so.

To send a player home before the verdict you need a powerful federation and
I'm affraid at the moment italian federation isnt powerful at all.

Quote:
> We'll see if FIFA is serious about "Fair Play" or not, or if it's just the
> usual hypocrisy.

He'll get a 4 match ban just to let him play the final if the team get there
and I think that's fine.
 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by mavigozle » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:54:39


Quote:




>> There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't
>> think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.

> That's false, everyone here condemned the episode, here some of
> Lippi's comments to the major italian newspaper (if you dont speak
> italian is more or less what everyone has been saying here):

I could find no English language press translation of Lippi's comments on
DeRossi.  The only thing they show Lippi talking about is trying to dismiss
Italy's performance to prior match fatigue and making other excuses for
what will be an short tournament for the Italians.

Since this is an English language group, perhaps you can find an article
confirming Lippi's words about his disgust/contempt/contrition/whatever
regarding DeRossi.

Given that too many "interpretations" have been given to the same words---
for instance, there is another thread here arguing about whether the
Australians really are "whining" about the refereeing----I'd like to see an
independent and credible translation of Lippi's words.  My Italian is
limited to buongiorno, buonaserra and arriverdici.   Maybe you can make the
translations to show exactly what Lippi is saying.

I know one thing:  Lippi is not saying that DeRossi's offense was so
serious as to merit a tournament ban.  That says a lot to me.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by Diaboli » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:16:54


Quote:

> > "Italy expect De Rossi to be heavily punished by Fifa for the incident
> > which left McBride needing three stitches."

> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/italy/509
> > 2438.stm

> > What will FIFA do to de Rossi?  What would you do (if anything) were
> > you in their shoes?  What should the Italian FA do (if anything)?
> > Evidently de Rossi has apologized to McBride.  Is he doing so simply
> > to avoid a more stiff penalty?

> > Interesting that Lippi seems to contradict the Italian delegate's
> > message that such actions are not indicative of Italian soccer...

> > "Giancarlo Abete, head of the Italian delegation, said: "It was a
> > serious incident but it's not an episode that can represent all of
> > Italian soccer.

> > "Obviously it was a negative incident but it should be kept in
> > context."

> > [but Lippi is quoted as saying] "Italian players have these habits and
> > they have a tough time at international level."

> > Who is right?  The Italian delegate, or Lippi?

> > Ron

> There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't think De
> Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.

Where is that Italian press, loser?
Care to show us some links?

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> De Rossi is hoping to play
> in the rest of the WC.  FIFA should send his ass home if the Italians do
> not have the honor to do so.

> We'll see if FIFA is serious about "Fair Play" or not, or if it's just the
> usual hypocrisy.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by Sid » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:32:29


Quote:


>>> There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't
>>> think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.
>> That's false, everyone here condemned the episode, here some of
>> Lippi's comments to the major italian newspaper (if you dont speak
>> italian is more or less what everyone has been saying here):
> I could find no English language press translation of Lippi's comments
> on DeRossi.  The only thing they show Lippi talking about is trying to
> dismiss Italy's performance to prior match fatigue and making other
> excuses for what will be an short tournament for the Italians.

But you did presumably find English language press (and a lot of it) to
show that Italians don't think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that
serious. Maybe you could share it?

Quote:
> arriverdici.   Maybe you can make the translations to show exactly
> what Lippi is saying.

I would like to see this too.

Quote:
> I know one thing:  Lippi is not saying that DeRossi's offense was so
> serious as to merit a tournament ban.  That says a lot to me.

You seem to know a lot of things without knowing any Italian past
arriverdici. That's a useful skill to have.

Sid

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by mavigozle » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:40:21


Quote:




>> > "Italy expect De Rossi to be heavily punished by Fifa for the
>> > incident which left McBride needing three stitches."

>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/italy/
>> > 509 2438.stm

>> > What will FIFA do to de Rossi?  What would you do (if anything)
>> > were you in their shoes?  What should the Italian FA do (if
>> > anything)? Evidently de Rossi has apologized to McBride.  Is he
>> > doing so simply to avoid a more stiff penalty?

>> > Interesting that Lippi seems to contradict the Italian delegate's
>> > message that such actions are not indicative of Italian soccer...

>> > "Giancarlo Abete, head of the Italian delegation, said: "It was a
>> > serious incident but it's not an episode that can represent all of
>> > Italian soccer.

>> > "Obviously it was a negative incident but it should be kept in
>> > context."

>> > [but Lippi is quoted as saying] "Italian players have these habits
>> > and they have a tough time at international level."

>> > Who is right?  The Italian delegate, or Lippi?

>> > Ron

>> There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't
>> think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.

> Where is that Italian press, loser?

I am not reading anything about the Italians saying, "Our team player
DeRossi's foul was very bad and he should be punished."

The only thing I read about regarding the Italians is:

* they are trying to excuse the USA match to fatigue

* DeRossi wants to play the rest of the WC apparently believing that the
act of apologizing is sufficient punishment

Quote:
> Care to show us some links?

Maybe you would like to show me the links where the Italian players,
coach, and public says DeRossi should be removed from the tournament.   I
can't find it.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

>> De Rossi is hoping to play
>> in the rest of the WC.  FIFA should send his ass home if the Italians
>> do not have the honor to do so.

>> We'll see if FIFA is serious about "Fair Play" or not, or if it's
>> just the usual hypocrisy.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by mavigozle » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:00:13


Quote:



>>>> There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't
>>>> think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.

>>> That's false, everyone here condemned the episode, here some of
>>> Lippi's comments to the major italian newspaper (if you dont speak
>>> italian is more or less what everyone has been saying here):

>> I could find no English language press translation of Lippi's comments
>> on DeRossi.  The only thing they show Lippi talking about is trying to
>> dismiss Italy's performance to prior match fatigue and making other
>> excuses for what will be an short tournament for the Italians.

> But you did presumably find English language press (and a lot of it) to
> show that Italians don't think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that
> serious. Maybe you could share it?

That was a miswording on my part.  It should be, "I could find nothing in
which anyone Italian thought DeRossi's foul deserved a tournament ban."

I am now told that even that is wrong.  I am told, but unable to verify,
that technical director Lippi commented on DeRossi's foul, but what he
said, I don't know.

Quote:
>> arriverdici.   Maybe you can make the translations to show exactly
>> what Lippi is saying.

> I would like to see this too.

>> I know one thing:  Lippi is not saying that DeRossi's offense was so
>> serious as to merit a tournament ban.  That says a lot to me.

> You seem to know a lot of things without knowing any Italian past
> arriverdici. That's a useful skill to have.

From what I have read in the English language press.  Do you think that if
Lippi were saying anything at all about that Italy USA match that the
English language press would report it?

The English language press has, for instance, reported that he attributes
Italy's inability to get past the USA 9-man defense as tiredness or
fatigue from the previous match (awfully detailed note taking of Lippi's
words, don't you think?).  

The press doesn't say anything about Lippi saying that the USA actually
played well to stop the Italians.  

Nor does Lippi apparently say that his players performed poorly against
the USA.  

Just that they were tired.  

I think that says a lot about Lippi.

But then the English language press may not be being fair to Lippi in
dutifully reporting all of his utterances.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by maelstro » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:00:55


Quote:

> Maybe you can make the
> translations to show exactly what Lippi is saying.

Hope this will help you understanding

"Lui deve bollire un po' nel suo brodo, in questa pentola che sul fuoco da
ieri sera, ma non solo da ieri sera. Poi ci parler"
"He must boil in his broth, in this pot which is hot form yesterday and not
only from yesterday" meaning he'll get what he deserve and this isnt the
first time.

"non ci sar nessun ricorso contro la squalifica in arrivo per il mediano
della Roma"
"there won't be any complain for the suspension that is coming for the
Roma's halfback"

" un ragazzo bravissimo, ma deve cambiare registro altrimenti si crea una
nomea. I calciatori italiani si portano dietro abitudini che non facile
togliersi, come quella di saltare in una certa maniera"
"He is a very good boy, but he must change his way of playing otherwise
he'll make a bad name for himself. Italian players have some bad jumping
habit and they cant get rid of it" he mean jumping with extended arms.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by Sid » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:19:59



Quote:


>>>>> There is a lot of press out there to show that the Italians don't
>>>>> think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all that serious.
>> But you did presumably find English language press (and a lot of it)
>> to show that Italians don't think De Rossi's "vicious elbow" was all
>> that serious. Maybe you could share it?
> That was a miswording on my part.  It should be, "I could find nothing
> in which anyone Italian thought DeRossi's foul deserved a tournament
> ban."

I have linked an article at the bottom of this post which reports some
snippets from different Italian papers. Not that this is in any way
representative but, it may give you something similar to what you have
been looking for.

Quote:
> I am now told that even that is wrong.  I am told, but unable to
> verify, that technical director Lippi commented on DeRossi's foul, but
> what he said, I don't know.
>> I would like to see this too.

There was some mention (and a link) to an Italian language report on what
Lippi said earlier. I hope someone will be able to translate it.

Quote:
> From what I have read in the English language press.  Do you think
> that if Lippi were saying anything at all about that Italy USA match
> that the English language press would report it?

I don't know and I am not going to try to second guess what his beliefs
are based on what wasn't reported in the press.

Quote:
> The English language press has, for instance, reported that he
> attributes Italy's inability to get past the USA 9-man defense as
> tiredness or fatigue from the previous match (awfully detailed note
> taking of Lippi's words, don't you think?).  
> The press doesn't say anything about Lippi saying that the USA
> actually played well to stop the Italians.  
> Nor does Lippi apparently say that his players performed poorly
> against the USA.  
> Just that they were tired.  
> I think that says a lot about Lippi.

I personally find it hard to judge a man when something he may or may not
have said, may or may not have been reported. If he allows De Rossi to
play in the next match, his actions will speak for him and we can all
show our umbrage. :-)

Quote:
> But then the English language press may not be being fair to Lippi in
> dutifully reporting all of his utterances.

I am as limited as you are with reference to the Italian language. This
is what I found in the English press with very rudimentary searching:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=371583&cc=4716

Sid

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by mavigozle » Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:14:24


Quote:




>> Maybe you can make the
>> translations to show exactly what Lippi is saying.

> Hope this will help you understanding

> "Lui deve bollire un po' nel suo brodo, in questa pentola che sul
> fuoco da ieri sera, ma non solo da ieri sera. Poi ci parler"
> "He must boil in his broth, in this pot which is hot form yesterday
> and not only from yesterday" meaning he'll get what he deserve and
> this isnt the first time.

> "non ci sar nessun ricorso contro la squalifica in arrivo per il
> mediano della Roma"
> "there won't be any complain for the suspension that is coming for the
> Roma's halfback"

> " un ragazzo bravissimo, ma deve cambiare registro altrimenti si crea
> una nomea. I calciatori italiani si portano dietro abitudini che non
> facile togliersi, come quella di saltare in una certa maniera"
> "He is a very good boy, but he must change his way of playing
> otherwise he'll make a bad name for himself. Italian players have some
> bad jumping habit and they cant get rid of it" he mean jumping with
> extended arms.

That's quite a bad habit to develop in a football player who qualifies for
his national team for World Cup play:  the habit of heading balls while at
the same time digging his elbows forcefully into any part of the skull of
the player next to him.

You'da thought that some kids' coach would have cured young man of that
habit.

 
 
 

Lippi Furious with de Rossi...Will FIFA act?

Post by Goldmun » Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:06



Quote:
>I am not reading anything about the Italians saying, "Our team player
>DeRossi's foul was very bad and he should be punished."

Probably because you're not reading newspapers at all...

Gazzetta dello sport: "indecente gomitata" (indecent elbowing)

Corriere della sera "De Rossi si fa espellere per un attacco di
pazzia" (De Rossi earns a red card for an attack of crazyness)

La Stampa "La gomitata che De Rossi assesta a McBride repellente
[...] Il gesto pi sconcio di tutto il Mondiale" (The elbowing of De
Rossi on McBride is repellent [...] the most *** gesture of the
whole WC"

Repubblica "Non nemmeno un contrasto a braccia alte, proprio
un'oscena e stupida gomitata (destra) a far male" (it's not even a
clash with arms kept high, it's just an *** and stupid (right)
elbowing with the intention of huting"

Marks for De Rossi:

Gazzetta: 3 (out of 10)
Tuttosport: 4
Corriere dello sport: 4
La Stampa: 2