Dalgish replaces Hodgson at Liverpool, Brooking to replace Grant at West Ham?

Dalgish replaces Hodgson at Liverpool, Brooking to replace Grant at West Ham?

Post by Mike Hal » Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:08:29


Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
to take over until the end of the year.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.  The transfer window is open,
the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding and they bring in a man
who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
backroom team who used to be associated with him.

Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
to compete in lunacy.

Mike Hall

 
 
 

Dalgish replaces Hodgson at Liverpool, Brooking to replace Grant at West Ham?

Post by Jussi Uosukaine » Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:12:43

Quote:

> Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
> to take over until the end of the year.
> The lunatics have taken over the asylum.  The transfer window is open,
> the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding and they bring in a man
> who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
> backroom team who used to be associated with him.

> Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
> to compete in lunacy.

> Mike Hall

I was hoping for someone else than Dalglish, but probably getting anyone
to really build for the future was a bit of a stretch with this
timetable.

On the bright side, things really could not get worse. Hopefully now the
team will revert back to 4-2-3-1 (which suits our players the best), and
Kenny can surely motivate the team, unlike Roy. Hopefully now the team
can really compete for a EL spot.
--
/jussi
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt...
And then it's just hilarious!"
* Faith No More

 
 
 

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Post by The Scrutinee » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:07:01

Quote:
> I was hoping for someone else than Dalglish, but probably getting anyone
> to really build for the future was a bit of a stretch with this
> timetable.

He's there to do the job on hand, if he cannot get at least a 50%
performance lift out of the current crop of jokers, Gerrard, Torres ALL
included then no one can, and it would make sense for Benitez to be
re-appointed, that is of course unless there is a complete squad overhaul,
which is more likely.

An overhaul that begins with the sale of Torres, make the money while you
still can, and swaps might be the order of the day should he move to another
EPL team!!!

 
 
 

Dalgish replaces Hodgson at Liverpool, Brooking to replace Grant at West Ham?

Post by Chagney Hun » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 01:37:22


Quote:
> Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
> to take over until the end of the year.
> The lunatics have taken over the asylum. ?The transfer window is open,
> the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding

Who's to say Dalglish doesn't have long-term vision? He brought
McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp, Hutchison, e.t.c... to Liverpool. He
brought Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Le Saux to Blackburn.

He's coming home in the moment of need to mind the place while they
are sorting out the mess. What else can one ask for?

Quote:
> and they bring in a man
> who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
> backroom team who used to be associated with him.

Not so much in the latter years and none at all at Blackburn.

Quote:
> Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
> to compete in lunacy.

Brooking never had the heart for it (asides from brief moments during
which he did well) but he too would be a fantastic appointment for the
Hammers fans. Sort of like Tony Adams coming to Arsenal if he were
competent.
 
 
 

Dalgish replaces Hodgson at Liverpool, Brooking to replace Grant at West Ham?

Post by RED DEVI » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:47:59

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:37:22 -0800 (PST), Chagney Hunt

Quote:


>> Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
>> to take over until the end of the year.
>> The lunatics have taken over the asylum. ?The transfer window is open,
>> the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding

>Who's to say Dalglish doesn't have long-term vision? He brought
>McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp, Hutchison, e.t.c... to Liverpool. He
>brought Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Le Saux to Blackburn.

>He's coming home in the moment of need to mind the place while they
>are sorting out the mess. What else can one ask for?

>> and they bring in a man
>> who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
>> backroom team who used to be associated with him.

>Not so much in the latter years and none at all at Blackburn.

>> Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
>> to compete in lunacy.

>Brooking never had the heart for it (asides from brief moments during
>which he did well) but he too would be a fantastic appointment for the
>Hammers fans. Sort of like Tony Adams coming to Arsenal if he were
>competent.

Liverpool bringing Dalglish back is like United bringing Ron Atkinson
back
 
 
 

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Post by Chagney Hun » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 05:42:07


Quote:
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:37:22 -0800 (PST), Chagney Hunt



> >> Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
> >> to take over until the end of the year.
> >> The lunatics have taken over the asylum. The transfer window is open,
> >> the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding

> >Who's to say Dalglish doesn't have long-term vision? He brought
> >McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp, Hutchison, e.t.c... to Liverpool. He
> >brought Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Le Saux to Blackburn.

> >He's coming home in the moment of need to mind the place while they
> >are sorting out the mess. What else can one ask for?

> >> and they bring in a man
> >> who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
> >> backroom team who used to be associated with him.

> >Not so much in the latter years and none at all at Blackburn.

> >> Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
> >> to compete in lunacy.

> >Brooking never had the heart for it (asides from brief moments during
> >which he did well) but he too would be a fantastic appointment for the
> >Hammers fans. Sort of like Tony Adams coming to Arsenal if he were
> >competent.

> Liverpool bringing Dalglish back is like United bringing Ron Atkinson
> back

Roy Hodgson is a more appropriate analogy for Atkinson -- does wonder
at a modest side, found wanting at a big club. Except that Atkinson
was several orders of magnitude more competent -- he bought Manure
some great players and didn't get his arse canned 6  months into the
job.
 
 
 

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Post by Mike Hal » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:38:03


Quote:

>> On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:37:22 -0800 (PST), Chagney Hunt



>>>> Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
>>>> to take over until the end of the year.
>>>> The lunatics have taken over the asylum. The transfer window is open,
>>>> the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding

>>> Who's to say Dalglish doesn't have long-term vision? He brought
>>> McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp, Hutchison, e.t.c... to Liverpool. He
>>> brought Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Le Saux to Blackburn.

>>> He's coming home in the moment of need to mind the place while they
>>> are sorting out the mess. What else can one ask for?

>>>> and they bring in a man
>>>> who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
>>>> backroom team who used to be associated with him.

>>> Not so much in the latter years and none at all at Blackburn.

>>>> Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
>>>> to compete in lunacy.

>>> Brooking never had the heart for it (asides from brief moments during
>>> which he did well) but he too would be a fantastic appointment for the
>>> Hammers fans. Sort of like Tony Adams coming to Arsenal if he were
>>> competent.

>> Liverpool bringing Dalglish back is like United bringing Ron Atkinson
>> back

> Roy Hodgson is a more appropriate analogy for Atkinson -- does wonder
> at a modest side, found wanting at a big club. Except that Atkinson
> was several orders of magnitude more competent -- he bought Manure
> some great players and didn't get his arse canned 6  months into the
> job.

Eh? Ron Atkinson was far more successful than SAF over the same period
of time.  Poor Old Roy Hodgson paid the price for his early panic buys.
  Maybe the Kop would have given him more time if had waited until
quality, talented, players were available rather than picking up tat at
inflated prices.  He could have simply slagged off Benitez in the meantime.

Mike Hall

 
 
 

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Post by Chagney Hun » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:18:13


Quote:


> >> On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:37:22 -0800 (PST), Chagney Hunt



> >>>> Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
> >>>> to take over until the end of the year.
> >>>> The lunatics have taken over the asylum. The transfer window is open,
> >>>> the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding

> >>> Who's to say Dalglish doesn't have long-term vision? He brought
> >>> McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp, Hutchison, e.t.c... to Liverpool. He
> >>> brought Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Le Saux to Blackburn.

> >>> He's coming home in the moment of need to mind the place while they
> >>> are sorting out the mess. What else can one ask for?

> >>>> and they bring in a man
> >>>> who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
> >>>> backroom team who used to be associated with him.

> >>> Not so much in the latter years and none at all at Blackburn.

> >>>> Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
> >>>> to compete in lunacy.

> >>> Brooking never had the heart for it (asides from brief moments during
> >>> which he did well) but he too would be a fantastic appointment for the
> >>> Hammers fans. Sort of like Tony Adams coming to Arsenal if he were
> >>> competent.

> >> Liverpool bringing Dalglish back is like United bringing Ron Atkinson
> >> back

> > Roy Hodgson is a more appropriate analogy for Atkinson -- does wonder
> > at a modest side, found wanting at a big club. Except that Atkinson
> > was several orders of magnitude more competent -- he bought Manure
> > some great players and didn't get his arse canned 6 ?months into the
> > job.

> Eh? Ron Atkinson was far more successful than SAF over the same period
> of time.

He also had the honor of being the league's biggest spender, an
opportunistic power vacuum as crisis shrouded Liverpool had to appoint
their 3rd head coach in 4 years to lead the league by double-digit
over half way through and still lost the race to a coaching novice.

Quote:
>?Poor Old Roy Hodgson paid the price for his early panic buys.
> ? Maybe the Kop would have given him more time if had waited until
> quality, talented, players were available rather than picking up tat at
> inflated prices. ?He could have simply slagged off Benitez in the meantime.

And he did, only to get smacked in the mouth by the accused, had his
boss telling him to STFU and later had to apologize. Anyway, what's
with this Roy *** from non-Liverpool fans? Would you have him or
someone with his records taking over Arsenal?
 
 
 

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Post by RED DEVI » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:49:32

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 20:18:13 -0800 (PST), Chagney Hunt

Quote:




>> >> On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:37:22 -0800 (PST), Chagney Hunt



>> >>>> Roy Hodgson left Liverpool today "By Mutual Consent" with Kenny Dalglish
>> >>>> to take over until the end of the year.
>> >>>> The lunatics have taken over the asylum. The transfer window is open,
>> >>>> the club needs a long-term vision for rebuilding

>> >>> Who's to say Dalglish doesn't have long-term vision? He brought
>> >>> McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp, Hutchison, e.t.c... to Liverpool. He
>> >>> brought Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Le Saux to Blackburn.

>> >>> He's coming home in the moment of need to mind the place while they
>> >>> are sorting out the mess. What else can one ask for?

>> >>>> and they bring in a man
>> >>>> who has never been much cop at being a manager, relying heavily on the
>> >>>> backroom team who used to be associated with him.

>> >>> Not so much in the latter years and none at all at Blackburn.

>> >>>> Someone on Twitter joked that West Ham are bringing in Trevor Brooking
>> >>>> to compete in lunacy.

>> >>> Brooking never had the heart for it (asides from brief moments during
>> >>> which he did well) but he too would be a fantastic appointment for the
>> >>> Hammers fans. Sort of like Tony Adams coming to Arsenal if he were
>> >>> competent.

>> >> Liverpool bringing Dalglish back is like United bringing Ron Atkinson
>> >> back

>> > Roy Hodgson is a more appropriate analogy for Atkinson -- does wonder
>> > at a modest side, found wanting at a big club. Except that Atkinson
>> > was several orders of magnitude more competent -- he bought Manure
>> > some great players and didn't get his arse canned 6 ?months into the
>> > job.

>> Eh? Ron Atkinson was far more successful than SAF over the same period
>> of time.

>He also had the honor of being the league's biggest spender, an
>opportunistic power vacuum as crisis shrouded Liverpool had to appoint
>their 3rd head coach in 4 years to lead the league by double-digit
>over half way through and still lost the race to a coaching novice.

>>?Poor Old Roy Hodgson paid the price for his early panic buys.
>> ? Maybe the Kop would have given him more time if had waited until
>> quality, talented, players were available rather than picking up tat at
>> inflated prices. ?He could have simply slagged off Benitez in the meantime.

>And he did, only to get smacked in the mouth by the accused, had his
>boss telling him to STFU and later had to apologize. Anyway, what's
>with this Roy *** from non-Liverpool fans? Would you have him or
>someone with his records taking over Arsenal?

Atkinson did spend a fortune although it's little reported that he did
recoup a lot of that money in player sales. He wasn't as successful as
Sir Alex in the same amount of time though. Ferguson brought a
European trophy in addition to a FA cup to the club within
approximately the same amount of time that Ron had at Old Trafford.
   It's a myth about the FA Cup win saving Ferguson's job, the youth
system he had put in place was showing great promise and that's why
the club stayed the course with him. That promise soon paid dividends
with Beckham, the Nevilles, Giggs, Scholes and ***all coming through
to form a nucleus of that side that has dominated for so long. In the
early days when United weren't having a lot of success it was the
promise of better days with the youth coming through that saved his
job.
I didn't care for Atkinson, he was brash and worse still a racist. Not
at all the kind of man that I expected to see managing Manchester
United.

I hope Dalglish works out for Liverpool but he's been away from top
management for some time. I have read a lot about Hodgson being a stop
gap manager, I rather think that the term may fit Dalglish more.
  Anyway, good luck to him, I admired him as a player and think he's
overall a good bloke and he does have a great pedigree.

 
 
 

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Post by The Scrutinee » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:41:04

Quote:
> Poor Old Roy Hodgson paid the price for his early panic buys.
>   Maybe the Kop would have given him more time if had waited until
> quality, talented, players were available rather than picking up tat at
> inflated prices.  He could have simply slagged off Benitez in the
> meantime.
> And he did, only to get smacked in the mouth by the accused, had his
> boss telling him to STFU and later had to apologize. Anyway, what's
> with this Roy *** from non-Liverpool fans? Would you have him or
> someone with his records taking over Arsenal?

As an Arsenal fan, quite simply, NO!!!

Depends what your after,

Consistent results: Sir Alex
Immediate results: Mourinho
Five Year Plan: Pellegrini
Stop Gap: Hodgson
Cup Coach: Avram Grant
Stern Type: Roy Keane
Joker: Warnock
Visionary: Coyle
Loyal: Wenger
Avoid Relegation: Pulis or Allardyce
Get Relegated: Avram Grant
Pundits: Shearer, Southgate
Fan Favourite: Gary Neville
Sympathetic: Mark Hughes
Three month plan: Steve Bruce

 
 
 

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Post by Jussi Uosukaine » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:29:24

Quote:

>> Poor Old Roy Hodgson paid the price for his early panic buys.
>>   Maybe the Kop would have given him more time if had waited until
>> quality, talented, players were available rather than picking up tat at
>> inflated prices.  He could have simply slagged off Benitez in the
>> meantime.

>> And he did, only to get smacked in the mouth by the accused, had his
>> boss telling him to STFU and later had to apologize. Anyway, what's
>> with this Roy *** from non-Liverpool fans? Would you have him or
>> someone with his records taking over Arsenal?

> As an Arsenal fan, quite simply, NO!!!

> Depends what your after,

> Consistent results: Sir Alex
> Immediate results: Mourinho
> Five Year Plan: Pellegrini
> Stop Gap: Hodgson

I think Hodgson would be a good manager for most of the teams in a
relegation battle atm, except Villa. I would say he could do something
at West Ham, Carlton Cole would suit his style well, and I feel that the
team would be more willing to play his style football.

--
/jussi
Dogbert: I'm going back to my old job as a network systems administrator.
Dilbert: Why?
Dogbert: I'm attracted by the potential for reckless abuse of power.
* Scott Adams: Dilbert

 
 
 

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Post by The Scrutinee » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:59:52


Quote:

>> Poor Old Roy Hodgson paid the price for his early panic buys.
>>   Maybe the Kop would have given him more time if had waited until
>> quality, talented, players were available rather than picking up tat at
>> inflated prices.  He could have simply slagged off Benitez in the
>> meantime.

>> And he did, only to get smacked in the mouth by the accused, had his
>> boss telling him to STFU and later had to apologize. Anyway, what's
>> with this Roy *** from non-Liverpool fans? Would you have him or
>> someone with his records taking over Arsenal?

> As an Arsenal fan, quite simply, NO!!!

> Depends what your after,

> Consistent results: Sir Alex
> Immediate results: Mourinho
> Five Year Plan: Pellegrini
> Stop Gap: Hodgson
> I think Hodgson would be a good manager for most of the teams in a
> relegation battle atm, except Villa. I would say he could do something
> at West Ham, Carlton Cole would suit his style well, and I feel that the
> team would be more willing to play his style football.

I don't know what it is about Carlton, but Roy seems to like him very
much!!!

He is 64 this year, and he doesn't have a great length of time left in the
game, may have coached for the last time at a high profile club.

The Liverpool stint did no one any favours, and it may have cost Roy more
than Liverpool, and considering he was the LMA manager of the year in 2010,
its been a quick turn around for him!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Hal » Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:43:15


Quote:
> And he did, only to get smacked in the mouth by the accused, had his
> boss telling him to STFU and later had to apologize. Anyway, what's
> with this Roy *** from non-Liverpool fans? Would you have him or
> someone with his records taking over Arsenal?

I don't like seeing a good man getting shafted for no good reason.
Arsenal don't need someone like him: our current team is capable of
winning the league and we don't have any major weaknesses in the squad
anymore.  Many vocal Liverpool fans are in cloud cuckooland about their
club, though most I speak to on a one-to-one basis realise that there
was absolutely no one better than Roy Hodgson to prepare the club for a
bright new manager to pick up in the 3 to 4 years it took to rebuild the
squad.

The only most stupid person that I can think of offhand was the jackass
who wrote the sign "Ancelotti out!  Abramovich out!" at Chelsea, unless
it was a reporter trying to make cheap news...

It would be nice to go back to the days when no one else could live with
the English clubs in Europe...

Mike Hall

 
 
 

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Post by Jussi Uosukaine » Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:25:07

Quote:


>> And he did, only to get smacked in the mouth by the accused, had his
>> boss telling him to STFU and later had to apologize. Anyway, what's
>> with this Roy *** from non-Liverpool fans? Would you have him or
>> someone with his records taking over Arsenal?

> I don't like seeing a good man getting shafted for no good reason.
> Arsenal don't need someone like him: our current team is capable of
> winning the league and we don't have any major weaknesses in the squad
> anymore.  Many vocal Liverpool fans are in cloud cuckooland about their
> club, though most I speak to on a one-to-one basis realise that there
> was absolutely no one better than Roy Hodgson to prepare the club for a
> bright new manager to pick up in the 3 to 4 years it took to rebuild the
> squad.

Let me get this right: you feel (after seeing the team play this
season, presumably) that Hodgson was the right man to take the team in
any direction?

Just for reference, it took Kenny D less than 24 hours to coax a better
showing from the current team than Roy managed all season, bar the
Chelsea game. Ande I can say this even though the captain got sent off
and we lost.

Sorry, Roy was out of his depth. There is apparently only one thing he
can do properly: make a team that is ***punch above their weight by
playing really negative, defensive hoofball. This works fine at clubs
where the team really is no good (like Fulham, and I could imagine some
of the teams in relegation battle at the moment) and the ambition is to
stay in the EPL.

The problem with this approach was that the Liverpool squad just is not
that bad, no matter what the english media tries to make you think. Too
many internationals used to playing good quality passing game, pressing
the opposition and trying to win games instead of just not losing.

And please, would everyone refrain from making up a strawman about me
saying that this team should finish in the top 4 or win the title or
something. A top 8 finish is fine by me, this season. And it should not
be too much to ask, the squad is right there in quality, behind the top
3, citeh and spurs. Maybe with King Kenny playing the players in their
correct positions, motivating the squad to go out and actually trying to
to win games this will happen.
--
/jussi
Hey, we can't really be dumb, if we're just following God's Orders.
After all, He wrote this book here. And in the book he says: "He made
us all to be just like Him" so ... If we're dumb ... Then God is dumb
... And maybe even a little ugly on the side!
* Frank Zappa

 
 
 

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Post by Google Beta Use » Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:06:32


Quote:

> I don't like seeing a good man getting shafted for no good reason.
> Arsenal don't need someone like him: our current team is capable of
> winning the league and we don't have any major weaknesses in the squad
> anymore. ?Many vocal Liverpool fans are in cloud cuckooland about their
> club, though most I speak to on a one-to-one basis realise that there
> was absolutely no one better than Roy Hodgson to prepare the club for a
> bright new manager to pick up in the 3 to 4 years it took to rebuild the
> squad.

I find i tcurious that there is this perception about "cuckoo" fans.
I don't see any fans that *expected* a top four finish this season.
We would certainly appreciate not being in a relegation battle.
That's being in cuckooland?

Anyway, Paul Tomkins said it best, and as an Arsenal fan,  you should
relate to the below:

Arsene Wenger said that Hodgson is a great manager, but how many
Arsenal fans would have wanted him to replace the Frenchman this
summer if the Gunners had performed badly last season? Seriously, can
anyone see that as a sensible approach?

And before people get too snotty and say Arsenal were/are light years
ahead of Liverpool, remember that Bentez won a trophy more recently
than Wenger, finished in the top two far more recently, reached a
Champions League Final more recently, and did so at a club far less
stable behind the scenes.