Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by Steve Treller » Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:01:04


which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?
 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by MGrd » Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:53:23

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> which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

Holland in 1974

 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by Omba » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:19:12

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> which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

Brazil 50

 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by Victoria Barret » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:23:52



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>> which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

>Brazil 50

Brazil '38. :)
 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by Omba » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:36:11

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> >> which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

> >Brazil 50

> Brazil '38. :)

Oh come on, I was serious... :)

I don't think any team was such an overwhelming favorite, with the
exception of Hungary.  But Brazil were at home and had no injuries
(Puskas was injured for Hungary in the 54 final), unless you count
Tesourinha not being available due to a minor injury but I'm not sure
he would have been called up.

 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by FairFootbal » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:47:53

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> which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

Probably Hungary 54. Brazil were magnificent in 82 but you can't win
anything with that defense / goalkeeper.

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Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by MH » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:33:34

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> which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

Of the teams that actually participated in the WC, probably
Hungary 1954, followed by Brazil 1982.

Honourable mention to USSR 1986 who were really good.

 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by FairFootbal » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:42:13

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> > which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

> Of the teams that actually participated in the WC, probably
> Hungary 1954, followed by Brazil 1982.

> Honourable mention to USSR 1986 who were really good.

Yeah, a match Argentina (with Maradona) vs. USSR would have been
something to watch, isn't it ? But I guess Argentina would have had the
first chance.

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Post by FairFootbal » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:49:41

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> > which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

> Of the teams that actually participated in the WC, probably
> Hungary 1954, followed by Brazil 1982.

> Honourable mention to USSR 1986 who were really good.

IMO, Brazil were also very strong in 86, probably stronger than the
russians and also stronger than in 82. They lost to France at PK in the
QF with Socrates missing a penalty in the last minutes of extra-times,
plus 1 or 2 giant opportunities. I guess they were about as strong as
Argentina, a final Argentina - Brazil would have been IMO too close to
call. And also in 90 it was more or less the same thing, who would have
imagined Argentina to be able to beat Brazil ? But they did, with much
luck (Brazil hit the woodwork 3 times) and then they went on to play
the final.

Anyway, all this doesn't compare to Hungary 54.

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Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by Omba » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:35:55

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> IMO, Brazil were also very strong in 86, probably stronger than the
> russians and also stronger than in 82. They lost to France at PK in the
> QF with Socrates missing a penalty in the last minutes of extra-times,
> plus 1 or 2 giant opportunities. I guess they were about as strong as
> Argentina, a final Argentina - Brazil would have been IMO too close to
> call. And also in 90 it was more or less the same thing, who would have
> imagined Argentina to be able to beat Brazil ? But they did, with much
> luck (Brazil hit the woodwork 3 times) and then they went on to play
> the final.

Socrates missed a PK in the shootout, not in extra-time.  Zico missed a
PK in the second half of regular time.
 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by MH » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:35:51

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>>>which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

>>Of the teams that actually participated in the WC, probably
>>Hungary 1954, followed by Brazil 1982.

>>Honourable mention to USSR 1986 who were really good.

> IMO, Brazil were also very strong in 86, probably stronger than the
> russians and also stronger than in 82.

OTOH the USSR looked better than France in the first round in 1986
and topped their group (ahead of France - their individual match was
drawn).  The USSR lost to Belgium, but they were quite unlucky with some
decisions (particularly offsides) in that game.  I genuinely believe
they were good enough to go on and win it all that year. Their strong
performance in Euro 1988 lends some support to that.

  They lost to France at PK in the

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> QF with Socrates missing a penalty in the last minutes of extra-times,
> plus 1 or 2 giant opportunities. I guess they were about as strong as
> Argentina, a final Argentina - Brazil would have been IMO too close to
> call. And also in 90 it was more or less the same thing, who would have
> imagined Argentina to be able to beat Brazil ? But they did, with much
> luck (Brazil hit the woodwork 3 times) and then they went on to play
> the final.

> Anyway, all this doesn't compare to Hungary 54.

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> To see how the refs messed up World Cup 2006, visit
> http://www.FairFootball.com

 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by FairFootbal » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:08:57

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> > IMO, Brazil were also very strong in 86, probably stronger than the
> > russians and also stronger than in 82. They lost to France at PK in the
> > QF with Socrates missing a penalty in the last minutes of extra-times,
> > plus 1 or 2 giant opportunities. I guess they were about as strong as
> > Argentina, a final Argentina - Brazil would have been IMO too close to
> > call. And also in 90 it was more or less the same thing, who would have
> > imagined Argentina to be able to beat Brazil ? But they did, with much
> > luck (Brazil hit the woodwork 3 times) and then they went on to play
> > the final.

> Socrates missed a PK in the shootout, not in extra-time.  Zico missed a
> PK in the second half of regular time.

Looks like you're right. My memory for details is fading away (but I
was close, anyway). But the general idea is France was probably lucky
to win that game.
 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by FairFootbal » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:14:21

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> >>>which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

> >>Of the teams that actually participated in the WC, probably
> >>Hungary 1954, followed by Brazil 1982.

> >>Honourable mention to USSR 1986 who were really good.

> > IMO, Brazil were also very strong in 86, probably stronger than the
> > russians and also stronger than in 82.

> OTOH the USSR looked better than France in the first round in 1986
> and topped their group (ahead of France - their individual match was
> drawn).  The USSR lost to Belgium, but they were quite unlucky with some
> decisions (particularly offsides) in that game.  I genuinely believe
> they were good enough to go on and win it all that year. Their strong
> performance in Euro 1988 lends some support to that.

Yes but you know, first round ... What did the french do in the first
round this year ? ;) Then at Euro 88 the russians were good but that's
Euro. Denmark and Greece can win the Euro but I don't think they could
ever win a World Cup.

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Post by jvazq.. » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:35:01

Steve Trellert ha escrito:

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> which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?
>From what I have seen:

Brazil 82

I have never seen such an amount of talent in the same side, may be
only seconds to Brazil 1970 (*):

Toninho Cerezo, Junior, Socrates, Falcao, Zico...

And they played with such an elegance and flair. Exceptional side.

Pity they had a lousy goalie and Serginho in front, who got tired of
missing opportunities.

JV

(*) Pele, Jairzinho, Tostao, Rivelino, Carlos Alberto, Clodoaldo,
Brito, Wilson Piazza...

 
 
 

Best team not to win WC: Holland 74',Hungary 54',Brazil 82'?

Post by milive.. » Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:55:39

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> > which was most deserving in your eyes? Comments?

I posted a similar (but less popular...) question a month ago:
http://groups.google.it/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2...

...and my answer was: Brazil 50.