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by **Ingo Bing** » Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:45:49

Outrage, outrage, outrage. As it should be, it's no trivial matter who wins
the WC.
These I remember seeing, without looking anything up, or watching any old
tapes:

1982:
Italy-Argentina: was a brutal game, Maradona kicked to pieces, referee has
no control.
Spain-Yugolslavia: Spain get a penalty for a foul commited well outside the
box, a la Brasil-Turkey
France-UAE: Sheik get's referee to disallow a legitimate French goal. (I
think they were up 3-1 anyway, but still...)
France-Germany: Schumacher mugging Batiston. And wasnt there a ridiculous
offside call as well?
I'm guessing there were quite a lot more incident and hey it's been 20
years.

1986:
Spain-Brazil: Spain scores a legit goal, the ball goes into the bar and down
inside the goal, not given.
South Korea-Argentina: Maradona kicked brutaly around, only one yellow card
I think.
France-Brazil: Brazil's goalkeeper runs into French attacker who would have
an open goal. It's a clear red card offence but not even a free kick was
given.
Belgium-Soviet: Belgium scores two offside goals. (In my memory. Somehow I
am sure someone will disagree. Well send me the tape then :) )
There is the hand of God episode we all fondly remember, and someone is sure
to have more.

In 1990 Maradona stopped the ball in his box with his ... GASP hand against
Russia. And Voller's penalty in the final?

I seem to recall countless wrong offsides in 1994.

Come now, let's have more wrong decicions.

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by **Gerrit Stolt** » Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:55:35

Quote:

> Outrage, outrage, outrage. As it should be, it's no trivial matter who wins
> the WC.
> These I remember seeing, without looking anything up, or watching any old
> tapes:

> 1982:
> Italy-Argentina: was a brutal game, Maradona kicked to pieces, referee has
> no control.
> Spain-Yugolslavia: Spain get a penalty for a foul commited well outside the
> box, a la Brasil-Turkey
> France-UAE: Sheik get's referee to disallow a legitimate French goal. (I
> think they were up 3-1 anyway, but still...)
> France-Germany: Schumacher mugging Batiston. And wasnt there a ridiculous
> offside call as well?
> I'm guessing there were quite a lot more incident and hey it's been 20
> years.

> 1986:
> Spain-Brazil: Spain scores a legit goal, the ball goes into the bar and down
> inside the goal, not given.
> South Korea-Argentina: Maradona kicked brutaly around, only one yellow card
> I think.

Wasn't this in 1990?

Quote:

> France-Brazil: Brazil's goalkeeper runs into French attacker who would have
> an open goal. It's a clear red card offence but not even a free kick was
> given.

Well, it was one those instances where the ref makes the initially
correct decision of letting the play go on, since Rocheteau (sp?) got
past the Brazilian keeper, but declines to give a penalty after it
became obvious that Rocheteau wouldn't recover from the foul to score.
IIRC, it would even have been a penalty.

Quote:

> Belgium-Soviet: Belgium scores two offside goals. (In my memory. Somehow I
> am sure someone will disagree. Well send me the tape then :) )
> There is the hand of God episode we all fondly remember, and someone is sure
> to have more.

> In 1990 Maradona stopped the ball in his box with his ... GASP hand against
> Russia. And Voller's penalty in the final?

Minutes after the ref refused to give a clear penalty after the Argie
goalie fouled Augenthaler. Same tournament, Rikjaard had been booked
after another dive by Voeller. Minutes later, Rijkaard spits at Voeller
and both were sent off.

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Quote:

> I seem to recall countless wrong offsides in 1994.

> Come now, let's have more wrong decicions.

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by **Ingo Bing** » Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:32:30

Quote:

> > Outrage, outrage, outrage. As it should be, it's no trivial matter who
wins
> > the WC.
> > These I remember seeing, without looking anything up, or watching any
old
> > tapes:

> > 1982:
> > Italy-Argentina: was a brutal game, Maradona kicked to pieces, referee
has
> > no control.
> > Spain-Yugolslavia: Spain get a penalty for a foul commited well outside
the
> > box, a la Brasil-Turkey
> > France-UAE: Sheik get's referee to disallow a legitimate French goal. (I
> > think they were up 3-1 anyway, but still...)
> > France-Germany: Schumacher mugging Batiston. And wasnt there a
ridiculous
> > offside call as well?
> > I'm guessing there were quite a lot more incident and hey it's been 20
> > years.

> > 1986:
> > Spain-Brazil: Spain scores a legit goal, the ball goes into the bar and
down
> > inside the goal, not given.
> > South Korea-Argentina: Maradona kicked brutaly around, only one yellow
card
> > I think.

> Wasn't this in 1990?
Definately 1986.

> > France-Brazil: Brazil's goalkeeper runs into French attacker who would
have
> > an open goal. It's a clear red card offence but not even a free kick was
> > given.

> Well, it was one those instances where the ref makes the initially
> correct decision of letting the play go on, since Rocheteau (sp?) got
> past the Brazilian keeper, but declines to give a penalty after it
> became obvious that Rocheteau wouldn't recover from the foul to score.
> IIRC, it would even have been a penalty.

I think you are absolutely correct about this incident.

Quote:

> > Belgium-Soviet: Belgium scores two offside goals. (In my memory. Somehow
I
> > am sure someone will disagree. Well send me the tape then :) )
> > There is the hand of God episode we all fondly remember, and someone is
sure
> > to have more.

> > In 1990 Maradona stopped the ball in his box with his ... GASP hand
against
> > Russia. And Voller's penalty in the final?

> Minutes after the ref refused to give a clear penalty after the Argie
> goalie fouled Augenthaler.

So two wrongs made a right on this occasion :)

Quote:

> Same tournament, Rikjaard had been booked
> after another dive by Voeller. Minutes later, Rijkaard spits at Voeller
> and both were sent off.

Oh yes I remember that episode. A 'classsic' :(

This has been a post from Ingo Bingo

by **napie** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:37:28

Quote:

> > > Outrage, outrage, outrage. As it should be, it's no trivial matter who
> wins
> > > the WC.
> > > These I remember seeing, without looking anything up, or watching any
> old
> > > tapes:

There is always controversy over refereeing decisions at World Cups. No
different in this one. It's mostly forgotten after the cup is over.

by **toto** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 02:43:56

Quote:

> > France-Brazil: Brazil's goalkeeper runs into French attacker who would
have
> > an open goal. It's a clear red card offence but not even a free kick was
> > given.

> Well, it was one those instances where the ref makes the initially
> correct decision of letting the play go on, since Rocheteau (sp?) got
> past the Brazilian keeper, but declines to give a penalty after it
> became obvious that Rocheteau wouldn't recover from the foul to score.
> IIRC, it would even have been a penalty.

it was Bruno Bellone, not Dominique Rocheteau.

by **toto** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 02:45:09

Quote:

> Outrage, outrage, outrage. As it should be, it's no trivial matter who
wins
> the WC.
> These I remember seeing, without looking anything up, or watching any old
> tapes:

> 1982:
> Italy-Argentina: was a brutal game, Maradona kicked to pieces, referee has
> no control.

Gentile.

by **SchnauzerP** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 04:05:30

Quote:

> Outrage, outrage, outrage. As it should be, it's no trivial matter who wins
> the WC.
> These I remember seeing, without looking anything up, or watching any old
> tapes:

> 1982:
> Italy-Argentina: was a brutal game, Maradona kicked to pieces, referee has
> no control.
> Spain-Yugolslavia: Spain get a penalty for a foul commited well outside the
> box, a la Brasil-Turkey
> France-UAE: Sheik get's referee to disallow a legitimate French goal. (I
> think they were up 3-1 anyway, but still...)
> France-Germany: Schumacher mugging Batiston. And wasnt there a ridiculous
> offside call as well?
> I'm guessing there were quite a lot more incident and hey it's been 20
> years.

Don't forget
Italy-Brazil: On a break away inside the box, the Italian defender
literally ripped Zico's shirt from pulling on it so hard. He must
have wanted Zico's shirt for himself. He could have at least waited
until after the game to exchange jerseys.

Quote:

> 1986:
> Spain-Brazil: Spain scores a legit goal, the ball goes into the bar and down
> inside the goal, not given.

Was this the blast from about 30 yards out? If so, that was an
amazing shot. I referred to this in another thread though I couldn't
remember who Brazil's opponent was. I think I said it was Poland.

by **Futbolmetri** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 06:07:11

Quote:

de

> > Outrage, outrage, outrage. As it should be, it's no trivial matter who
> wins
> > the WC.
> > These I remember seeing, without looking anything up, or watching any
old
> > tapes:

> > 1982:
> > Italy-Argentina: was a brutal game, Maradona kicked to pieces, referee
has
> > no control.

> Gentile.

One of the classic WC myths.

The most brutal fouls in that game were committed by Tarantini, Kempes,
Gallego and Scirea. Gentile harassed Maradona with shirt-pullings, pushes,
and other assorted stuff, but none of his fouls can be classified
as "brutal". In fact, he did not commit a single foul on Maradona until
about the 30th minute, always anticipating him cleanly.

Daniele

by **Futbolmetri** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 06:11:53

Quote:

> Don't forget
> Italy-Brazil: On a break away inside the box, the Italian defender
> literally ripped Zico's shirt from pulling on it so hard. He must
> have wanted Zico's shirt for himself. He could have at least waited
> until after the game to exchange jerseys.

Gentile again. He barely touched Zico. The Brazilian FA should
not have been so cheap in choosing materials for its shirts :-)

Daniele

by **Ingo Bing** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 05:35:44

Quote:

> > 1986:
> > Spain-Brazil: Spain scores a legit goal, the ball goes into the bar and
down
> > inside the goal, not given.

> Was this the blast from about 30 yards out? If so, that was an
> amazing shot. I referred to this in another thread though I couldn't
> remember who Brazil's opponent was. I think I said it was Poland.

You *may be* right because Poland *also* had an amazing shot at Brazil's
goal, that either hit the bar or the post and I cant remember if it
actually went in. Anyone?

Ingo Bingo

by **Alessandro il Grand** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:50:02

Quote:

> I seem to recall countless wrong offsides in 1994.

> Come now, let's have more wrong decicions.

Bronze match from '90......a legit goal (Berti) flagged as an offside and an
offside goal (Baggio) allowed.

A.

by **Alessandro il Grand** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:53:50

Quote:

> > > 1986:
> You *may be* right because Poland *also* had an amazing shot at Brazil's
> goal, that either hit the bar or the post and I cant remember if it
> actually went in. Anyone?

If I remember correctly, Poland and Brazil weren't in the same group......but
now that I think of it, they might have met in the 2nd round....ummm........an
inconvenient gap in my memory.......hhhelp me...

by **Ingo Bing** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:25:59

Quote:

> > > > 1986:
> > You *may be* right because Poland *also* had an amazing shot at Brazil's
> > goal, that either hit the bar or the post and I cant remember if it
> > actually went in. Anyone?

> If I remember correctly, Poland and Brazil weren't in the same
group......but
> now that I think of it, they might have met in the 2nd

round....ummm........an

Quote:

> inconvenient gap in my memory.......hhhelp me...

Brazil-Poland was 2. round and went 4-0 to Brazil.

Ingo Bingo

by **Bruce Scott T** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:27:23

Quote:

>> > > 1986:
>> You *may be* right because Poland *also* had an amazing shot at Brazil's
>> goal, that either hit the bar or the post and I cant remember if it
>> actually went in. Anyone?

>If I remember correctly, Poland and Brazil weren't in the same group......but
>now that I think of it, they might have met in the 2nd round....ummm........an
>inconvenient gap in my memory.......hhhelp me...

Brasil blew Poland away in the Round of 16, worse than the 4-0 score
would suggest.

--
cu,
Bruce

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by **Alessandro il Grand** » Thu, 04 Jul 2002 22:36:03

Quote:

> Brazil-Poland was 2. round and went 4-0 to Brazil.

Yeah, thanks.

Btw, I think Brazil scored many of its most beautiful goals in that tourney.

A.

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