Thoughts on Italy v. Korea, and Shirt Grabbing.

Thoughts on Italy v. Korea, and Shirt Grabbing.

Post by Joseph W. Murp » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:23:46


Some thoughts on Korea-Italy:

First off, I didn't think the refereeing was all that bad.  The
Koreans deserved to win.  Italy's whole strategy was to score the
first goal and then settle in, relying on their vaunted "defense" to
put the game away.  This strategy almost backfired from the outset
when the Koreans got a penalty kick and Anh wasted it with a very
predictable and feeble effort.  Vieri's goal came soon after and Italy
settled into their entirely expected defensive game.  What followed
was nearly 75 minutes of dull, uninteresting soccer -- the kind of
thing that drives the uninitiated from the game.  The Italians, as
usual, packed it in and tried to take the Korean fitness factor out of
the game by forcing them to attack understrength.  Whenever a Korean
mounted any kind of a run at all, Italy's defense grabbed a shirt or
took a man down.  If you like the "beautiful game", as I do, you were
maddened by what the Italians were doing.  But, as with almost every
team that has tried to coast through their game with only a one goal
margin, it backfired.  Italy got a tad bit sloppy and the Koreans
managed to squib something in.  

It was only then that things began to get interesting.  Vieri missed a
couple of clear opportunities.  Buffon made a couple of very nice
saves.  Best of all, both teams had accumulated so many yellow card
from tripping, diving, and shirt-grabbing that the defenders had to
start playing honest soccer.  Totti, in my opinion, got a bad break in
that I didn't see a foul or a clear flop.  However, that's the way
things go sometimes.  I didn't find the ref to be particularly partial
at all.  Indeed, several times when at first blush I thought he had
blown calls, the replays showed him to be correct.  He was decisive,
steady, and for the most part correct.  

Italy's loss, coming the way it did, is largely attributable to the
way they chose to play.  Their players, for the most part, showed far
better foot skills and passing accuracy than the Koreans.  But they
chose to play their usual boring game and were burned for it.  By the
way, if Buffon had stayed on his line I think he would have handled
Anh's winning header -- which didn't have that much on it.  Can't
fault him too much here though.

So, to close, I wish that a ref rewared every shirt grab with a yellow
card.  It would improve the game.  The totally exasperate me and take
the beauty out of soccer.  I play in a local league and that's how
they are treated.  For some reason, in World Cup play, they are
tolerated unless they are egregious.  I don't get it.

Joe Murphy

 
 
 

Thoughts on Italy v. Korea, and Shirt Grabbing.

Post by Ron » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:49:13

 I agree with you. Sure, Vieri missed a bunch of chances. That happens.
But people who rag on the referee need to understand that the ref is
always going to give more calls to the side that's playing aggressive,
attacking football.

Not only is it the case that the defenders are doing more fouling, but
it's also just hard feel with a team that's pushing forward.

Think of how many more chances Vieri might have had if he took italy
kept their foot on the gas pedal.

So now the question becomes: who on earth can beat Korea? Turkey doesn't
stand a chance. As an American, I don't want to see us play them again,
but should we beat Germany, they're next. I'd say the Germans have the
best chance before the final.

 
 
 

Thoughts on Italy v. Korea, and Shirt Grabbing.

Post by Bruce Scott T » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:35:32



Quote:
>So, to close, I wish that a ref rewared every shirt grab with a yellow
>card.  It would improve the game.  The totally exasperate me and take
>the beauty out of soccer.  I play in a local league and that's how
>they are treated.  For some reason, in World Cup play, they are
>tolerated unless they are egregious.  I don't get it.

Though I have nothing against defensive soccer, and like Daniele I note
that it is also designed to give your side more goal chances, I agree
with you here.  Shirt pulling and intentional fouling is the very worst
thing in the game, and it has to be shut down whatever the short term
cost.

--
cu,
Bruce

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Thoughts on Italy v. Korea, and Shirt Grabbing.

Post by Goldmu » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:53:39


Quote:

>Some thoughts on Korea-Italy:

>First off, I didn't think the refereeing was all that bad.  The
>Koreans deserved to win.  Italy's whole strategy was to score the
>first goal and then settle in, relying on their vaunted "defense" to
>put the game away.  This strategy almost backfired from the outset
>when the Koreans got a penalty kick and Anh wasted it with a very
>predictable and feeble effort.  Vieri's goal came soon after and Italy
>settled into their entirely expected defensive game.  What followed
>was nearly 75 minutes of dull, uninteresting soccer

If you saw dull defense, then you missed about 10 big scoring
opportunities by Italy

Quote:
>the kind of
>thing that drives the uninitiated from the game.  The Italians, as
>usual, packed it in and tried to take the Korean fitness factor out of
>the game by forcing them to attack understrength.  Whenever a Korean
>mounted any kind of a run at all, Italy's defense grabbed a shirt or
>took a man down.

Which of course never happened with the koreans, including the goal by
Vieri (see Vieri's and del Piero's shirts).
Also so nice by the ref to "forgive" the korean that elbowed Del
Piero...

Quote:
>If you like the "beautiful game", as I do, you were
>maddened by what the Italians were doing.

And the beautiful game was...? Brasil against Belgium.

Quote:
>But, as with almost every
>team that has tried to coast through their game with only a one goal
>margin, it backfired.  Italy got a tad bit sloppy and the Koreans
>managed to squib something in.  

>It was only then that things began to get interesting.  Vieri missed a
>couple of clear opportunities.  Buffon made a couple of very nice
>saves.  Best of all, both teams had accumulated so many yellow card
>from tripping, diving, and shirt-grabbing that the defenders had to
>start playing honest soccer.  Totti, in my opinion, got a bad break in
>that I didn't see a foul or a clear flop.  However, that's the way
>things go sometimes.  I didn't find the ref to be particularly partial
>at all.  Indeed, several times when at first blush I thought he had
>blown calls, the replays showed him to be correct.  He was decisive,
>steady, and for the most part correct.  

Sure.

Quote:
>Italy's loss, coming the way it did, is largely attributable to the
>way they chose to play.  Their players, for the most part, showed far
>better foot skills and passing accuracy than the Koreans.  But they
>chose to play their usual boring game and were burned for it.  By the
>way, if Buffon had stayed on his line I think he would have handled
>Anh's winning header -- which didn't have that much on it.  Can't
>fault him too much here though.

>So, to close, I wish that a ref rewared every shirt grab with a yellow
>card.  It would improve the game.

If he does on both sides, I agree with you.

Quote:
>The totally exasperate me and take
>the beauty out of soccer.  I play in a local league and that's how
>they are treated.  For some reason, in World Cup play, they are
>tolerated unless they are egregious.  I don't get it.

In fact it's starnge, because the refs and linesman at this WC seem to
come mostly form local leagues.

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