Women's World Cup >>>>>>>>> NBA Finals >>>>>>Stanley Cup

Women's World Cup >>>>>>>>> NBA Finals >>>>>>Stanley Cup

Post by Donna Anderso » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
> shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
> bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
> Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
> share.

> And we won't even get into the Stanley Cup finals ratings....

> Amazing...

The game was on a sunday afternoon in which nothing else resembling a
decent sporting event was on tv.  Also, the media had been giving the
game a lot of undeserved hype.  I would be interested in knowing how
many of those people actually watched the game- which was incredibly
dull.  I suspect many people who have small children who play soccer
tuned in because they want to see what soccer's all about.  I bet these
same people starting flipping through parade or usa weekened five
minutes into the game.   Me, I decided to wait until the game was over
and watch the penalty kick.  Both teams had given up a whopping 5 goals
combined in the whole tourney.  It didn't take a genius to figure out
that nobody would score.  So why bother and tune in to a scoreless
game?  Just set your watch and tune in for the penalty kick.  And what a
great way to crown a world champion- penalty kicks.  I think soccer
needs to adress that problem.  I think they should let them play until
someone scores.  Michael
Quote:
> Paul

 
 
 

Women's World Cup >>>>>>>>> NBA Finals >>>>>>Stanley Cup

Post by Chuck Pears » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00

we'll move the followups into a newsgroup where we take great glee in
debating such matters ad nauseaum, and let the rest of you continue the
discussion of your respective sports.


: > Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
: > shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
: > bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
: > Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
: > share...

: The game was on a sunday afternoon in which nothing else resembling a
: decent sporting event was on tv.  Also, the media had been giving the
: game a lot of undeserved hype.  I would be interested in knowing how
: many of those people actually watched the game- which was incredibly
: dull.  

the thing that's stunned me about matters is that very few of the people
who usually whine about soccer being this dull sport with a propensity for
the 0-0 draw were complaining about this match.  "edge of the seat stuff",
"a real thriller", and all that.  all the wire service reports i've
read herald the strong defensive play and say very little about soccer's
reputation being damaged by the lack of scoring.  the only guy who came
close was Grahame Jones of the LA Times - a regular soccer writer who
you'd think would appreciate such things instead of calling the game "120
not-exactly-nail-biting mintues."

myself, i thought the US was never really adventurous enough, but i was
gripped by it all anyway - whenever my attention started to waver, they'd
cut to the blimp and i'd be amazed that there were 90,000 people in the
rose bowl.  watching WOMEN.  playing SOCCER.

: game?  Just set your watch and tune in for the penalty kick.  And what a
: great way to crown a world champion- penalty kicks.  I think soccer
: needs to adress that problem.  I think they should let them play until
: someone scores.  Michael

i do too, but then again, i never played the game.  they tell me you start
to absolutely DIE after 120 mintues.  and unlike the men, the women can
very easily argue that they don't get paid enough to play all-out until
there's a winner.

the ideal way to decide this would have been for everybody to have come
back today and played again, the way they used to do it before TV ruled
everything.  of course, that has to do with competition and not with TV
ratings, and we all know what rules in today's sporting world.

chuck
--
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Post by Trevor Zion Bauknig » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> close was Grahame Jones of the LA Times - a regular soccer writer who
> you'd think would appreciate such things instead of calling the game "120
> not-exactly-nail-biting mintues."

I taped it, since I had to work yesterday during the actual event and you
can't really watch TV (especially sports) while bartending.  We had a
packed house, many of them watching the games actively.  Families, all
different colors of people, everybody.  Nice to see.  And this is in
Sumter, SC, a place not known for sports (or anything else much after
1865).

Anyway, thinking I was going to enjoy a relaxing afternoon watching the
game, picking it apart, etc., I settled in about 1 pm today with a tall
Co-Cola and some leftover pizza and turned it on.

I fast-forwarded through 95% of it.  It was a dull-ass soccer game, and I
like soccer (naturally, being a Clemson fan).  The penalty kicks ending
was dramatic enough, of course, but the best part was Brandi Chastain
ripping off her jersey and running around on the field and then ten
minutes later probably offending millions of Christian families on Sunday
afternoon while describing Michelle Akers.  Hell yeah!  She ROCKS!!!  I
need to see her more.

The rest was pretty dull.  I don't even remember seeing any good CHANCES,
let alone saves or actual goals.

Still, it was good for the sport.  90,000 people, many of them kids.

Congrats, ladies!  Now see if the men can just make the second round...

Trev

 
 
 

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Post by Donna Anderso » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> It's a novelty, though.

> Here are the three reasons why the USA fans actually cared for a
> minute:

> 1)  It's a novelty, a fad.   Ooh, look, here's something new, women's
> soccer!  The same soccer moms who sat their kids in front of the TV to
> watch Mia Hamm

and that other girl who's always doing third rate interviews with mia
hamm- julie something?  Hell I don't know her name.  If you ask me she's
probably better looking than mia hamm.  Mia always has that no
lisptick/been in the sun too long look,  

 (and the rare one who knew Michelle Akers,

what the hell is with that perm?  

Quote:
> This was a nice moment, but it's over and won't have any long term
> implications.  It's gone the way of all fads.

true. good post.  Michael
Quote:



> >Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
> >shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
> >bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
> >Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
> >share.

> >And we won't even get into the Stanley Cup finals ratings....

> >Amazing...

> >Paul

> He complained when I hit him.  All my friends do.  Wusses.

 
 
 

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Post by Jefferson Glapsk » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00


: > Yes, there's a reason for that: the US Press. They hyped up the
: Woman's World Cup to such an extent that the US public actually began
to
: think that it was a big deal. True, in terms of women's football, the
US

Dude, women donut play football, except for the Puffs.

--
Jefferson Glapski
http://home.ican.net/~jng
=======================
"Attacking player takes a shot on net and after doing so,
skates into the crease. The initial shot deflects outside the
crease. The original player, still in the crease, recovers the
puck, which is now outside the crease, and scores. Result:
Goal is disallowed. The player did not maintain control of
the puck."
-Colin Campbell, 5/25/99

 
 
 

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Post by F.I. Sherma » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
> shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
> bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
> Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
> share.

> And we won't even get into the Stanley Cup finals ratings....

> Amazing...

> Paul

Why do you keep talking about womens' sports?  I thought this was a
college football newsgroup.  There is a lot of useless ***here.  This
newsgroup sucks.

Hook 'em Horns
\m/

Fred Sherman

 
 
 

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Post by Bernard Kirzne » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:



> > i do too, but then again, i never played the game.  they tell me you start
> > to absolutely DIE after 120 mintues.

> I'd usually die after 45 minutes. (Great speed, no stamina)

As someone who just sat through the match in that 90+ degree heat, it was
exhausting, and dehydrating. My son and I just kept drinking and drinking, and
pouring on the suntan lotion.
It' s hard to imagine running around fro 120 minutes when we had such a hard
time just sitting in the heat.

Maybe that' s part of the reason why the Chinese coach emphasized defense
first, and why the US team didn't press on offense as they have in other games.

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Hanlin, J » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
share.  

And we won't even get into the Stanley Cup finals ratings....

Amazing...

Paul

 
 
 

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Post by imi.. » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
> shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
> bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
> Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
> share.

> And we won't even get into the Stanley Cup finals ratings....

> Amazing...

> Paul

> Yes, there's a reason for that: the US Press. They hyped up the

Woman's World Cup to such an extent that the US public actually began to
think that it was a big deal. True, in terms of women's football, the US
are the best, but there are only about 5 teams that take the women's
game seriously, and the women's version is grossly underdeveloped. 5-0
in a semifinal match? Come on! Maybe in 20 years women's football will
gain the respect worldwide that women have in tennis and gymnastics. But
until the women (not US, Brazi, Norway or China) learn to kick the ball,
and the goalkeepers stop running into the goalposts, this game isn't
going anywhere. Want some stats? 2.5 million people watched USA-Brazil
on ESPN....40 billion watched the Men's World Cup, 3 billion watched the
Finals...more than half the world.
  And one last thing...where was the US press when the MEN'S team placed
LAST in France '98. Huh? L8rz.

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Post by imi.. » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
> shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
> bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
> Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
> share.

> And we won't even get into the Stanley Cup finals ratings....

> Amazing...

> Paul

> Yes, there's a reason for that: the US Press. They hyped up the

Woman's World Cup to such an extent that the US public actually began to
think that it was a big deal. True, in terms of women's football, the US
are the best, but there are only about 5 teams that take the women's
game seriously, and the women's version is grossly underdeveloped. 5-0
in a semifinal match? Come on! Maybe in 20 years women's football will
gain the respect worldwide that women have in tennis and gymnastics. But
until the women (not US, Brazi, Norway or China) learn to kick the ball,
and the goalkeepers stop running into the goalposts, this game isn't
going anywhere. Want some stats? 2.5 million people watched USA-Brazil
on ESPN....40 billion watched the Men's World Cup, 3 billion watched the
Finals...more than half the world.
  And one last thing...where was the US press when the MEN'S team placed
LAST in France '98. Huh? L8rz.

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Post by Kyl » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00

It's a novelty, though.

Here are the three reasons why the USA fans actually cared for a
minute:

1)  It's a novelty, a fad.   Ooh, look, here's something new, women's
soccer!  The same soccer moms who sat their kids in front of the TV to
watch Mia Hamm (and the rare one who knew Michelle Akers, too.  There
were precisely three of them who knew more than 2 players names going
into the tourney) are the ones who will get their kids that one super
hot toy this Christmas, only to watch their kids get bored with it two
days alter.

2)  It was completely centered on the USA.  It was in the US, the USA
won.  What happens when this things in Pakistan 4 years from now, and
the USA gets eliminated on one lucky bounce?  And that's all it would
have taken is that for the USA to lose.  They are a good team, but no
team is destined to win, as many people assume the USA women's soccer
team was.

3)  Good marketing.  The commercials weren't screamingly
self-indulgent "Hey, look!  We're CHICKS playing soccer".  It was
"Hey, look!  We're playing SOCCER!".

This was a nice moment, but it's over and won't have any long term
implications.  It's gone the way of all fads.


Quote:

>Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
>shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
>bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
>Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
>share.  

>And we won't even get into the Stanley Cup finals ratings....

>Amazing...

>Paul

He complained when I hit him.  All my friends do.  Wusses.
 
 
 

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Post by Geof F. Morr » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Unable to come up with a witty introduction, I pondered what

Quote:
>i do too, but then again, i never played the game.  they tell me you start
>to absolutely DIE after 120 mintues.  

        Having played two games in one day, I can vouch for that.  I
think I slept most of the next day, and I don't sleep that much . . .
playing most games is the equivalent of running three or four miles --
but not in one direction all the time.  Some forwards, some backwards,
some sideways.  Also, you keep getting those elbows and slide tackles
. . . -vbg-

        GFM

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Post by Geof F. Morr » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Unable to come up with a witty introduction, I pondered what

Quote:
>  And one last thing...where was the US press when the MEN'S team placed
>LAST in France '98. Huh? L8rz.

        Ripping on them like hell.  Publicizing the fool out of the
failings of Sampson.  Or have you forgotten that?

        GFM <-- wonders what Arena can do with the men

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Post by Mike F Wint » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00


: >
: > Forty million folks in a country that supposedly doesn't give two
: > shits about soccer turned out and made the women's world cup final a
: > bigger ratings success than the New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs NBA
: > Finals.  The game drew an overnight Nielsen rating of 13.3 and a 32
: > share.

You know, I'm so sick of hearing about how poorly the finals did on
television.  Who the hell cares?  What does a Nielsen rating have to
do with how good or bad or memorable the finals were?  I thought the
finals were great; the whole playoffs were generally entertaining and
well-matched.  If you're a basketball fan, be a basketball fan, not
a network executive.  

All of this talk about how basketball needs a new messiah is entirely
media-created.  The only people who need a telegenic figurehead are
the NBA owners, media (which is why we hear so much moaning from them)
and the shoe companies.  It's time everybody starting enjoying
basketball on its own merits and stopped worrying about revenue and
network share.

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Post by taj sid » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> i do too, but then again, i never played the game.  they tell me you start
> to absolutely DIE after 120 mintues.

I'd usually die after 45 minutes. (Great speed, no stamina)