Freedon of speech and behavior

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Diabl » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:50:40



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> > It's called brain washing. In reality almost any western european
> > nation offers more personal freedom than the US. The difference is,
> > they don't brag about it. The US is without a doubt the greatest
> > country in terms of capitalist freedom. If you want to make money
> > there's no better place to be but it comes at a cost, and that is your
> > personal freedom. However people here tend to bundle that in with
> > freedom for the people, and the rulling powers have the most interest
> > in conveying that false idea.

> Yes.

> > From the most basic things like, not being able to enjoy a cold beer
> > in the park on a Summer afternoon to more complex ones like not
> > providing basic medical care to all its citizens or a bipartisan

> This I'll grant you. How many people actually drink beer in
> public in Europe, however?

> > government which leaves behind thousands of citizens without
> > representation, there's a huge list of reasons why this is not the

> I believe 20% of Frenchmen wish to see Le Pen and the FN in charge
> there. Yet they only have what, two or three seats in the Assembly?

> Are these Frenchmen without proper representation?

> > greatest _free_ nation in the world. Actually, it's not even the
> > greatest democracy in the world, far from it.

> How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

It is very hard to buy a house in the EU.
There is a system in place which stops americans... correction, US citizens
from buying realty in the EU.
 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Robert the 'erber » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:54:02


Quote:
> > How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

> It is very hard to buy a house in the EU.

In what way?

Quote:
> There is a system in place which stops americans... correction, US
citizens
> from buying realty in the EU.

'Realty' or do you mean reality? :)) You mean real estate surely.

I don't think there are any EU edicts about this and I don't know of any in
the UK.

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by MMc » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:41:00



Quote:

>> From the most basic things like, not being able to enjoy a cold beer
>> in the park on a Summer afternoon to more complex ones like not
>> providing basic medical care to all its citizens or a bipartisan

>This I'll grant you. How many people actually drink beer in
>public in Europe, however?

A lot.

Quote:
>> government which leaves behind thousands of citizens without
>> representation, there's a huge list of reasons why this is not the

>I believe 20% of Frenchmen wish to see Le Pen and the FN in charge
>there. Yet they only have what, two or three seats in the Assembly?
>Are these Frenchmen without proper representation?

The FN got 11% or so votes in the National Assembly elections and they failed to
get anyone elected. So yes, these French people are without proper
representation and that's not right in my book.
The 2 round French system of electing representatives sucks. Still and all it's
not as bad as the mindbogglingly undemocratic medieval FPTP system used in the
UK and Canada and most of the US.

PR/STV is yer only man.

Quote:
>> greatest _free_ nation in the world. Actually, it's not even the
>> greatest democracy in the world, far from it.

>How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

Can't speak for all of the EU, but it's no more difficult in Ireland than the
US, actually I believe Ireland has, and traditionally has had, a higher rate of
homeownership than the US, one of the highest in the world actually.

Quote:

>Shawn Pickrell

MMcC

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Shawn Pickrel » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:11:23

Quote:

> On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:51:21 -0400, Shawn Pickrell

> >This I'll grant you. How many people actually drink beer in
> >public in Europe, however?

> A lot.

OK. I presume most drunkenness is done in private and kept under
the rug -- whereas the US broadcasts its trailer trash far and
wide. "Jer-ry! Jer-ry!"

Quote:
> >I believe 20% of Frenchmen wish to see Le Pen and the FN in charge
> >there. Yet they only have what, two or three seats in the Assembly?

> >Are these Frenchmen without proper representation?

> The FN got 11% or so votes in the National Assembly elections and they
> failed to get anyone elected. So yes, these French people are without
> proper representation and that's not right in my book. The 2 round
> French system of electing representatives sucks. Still and all it's
> not as bad as the mindbogglingly undemocratic medieval FPTP system
> used in the UK and Canada and most of the US.

> PR/STV is yer only man.

But the weakness there is that little wacko parties would be able
to determine the balance of power. Vide: Israel.

Although I agree some form of PR is the way to go.

Quote:
> >How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

> Can't speak for all of the EU, but it's no more difficult in Ireland
> than the US, actually I believe Ireland has, and traditionally has
> had, a higher rate of homeownership than the US, one of the highest in
> the world actually.

OK. I've read that in Greece getting a mortgage in drachma was
damn near impossible. But now with the Euro, it's possible (greater
#'s of Euros floating around than drachmas.) I've also heard that
required down payments are much higher (granted these are on ads for
Fannie Mae and other mortgage carrying companies) in the EU.

Also what we call the ***inium form of home ownership is very
prevalent in Europe, is it not?

Shawn Pickrell

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Shawn Pickrel » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:19:09

Quote:


> > How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

> It is very hard to buy a house in the EU.
> There is a system in place which stops americans... correction, US
> citizens from buying realty in the EU.

Why that smacks of economic nationalism! :-)

Actually I was thinking of how hard/easy it was for Europeans
to buy houses in the EU, and whether the Euro has made it easier
for the poorer countries of the EU to buy houses.

Shawn Pickrell

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Shawn Pickrel » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:25:55

Quote:

> > How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

> No more difficult than here in the US. Might even be easier.

In the US a house of 2000 square feet can go for anywhere between
100,000 USD and 400,000 USD depending on where you are living.

A down payment of 10% is usually sufficient, but often first-time
homebuyers can buy with little or no money down.

I have seen Fannie Mae (massive semi-governmental organisation
whose job it is to buy mortgages from local banks therefore
reducing the banks' risks) adverti***ts saying down payments
of 30-50% are required in some European countries.

Shawn Pickrell

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Chris Horyms » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:48:20


Quote:

> > Typical comments from an uncivilised Yankee.
> > Are you from Texas?

> Being a Yankee and being from Texas are mutually exclusive.

Roger Clemens sez hi.
 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Diabl » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:53:36



Quote:



> > > How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

> > It is very hard to buy a house in the EU.

> In what way?

> > There is a system in place which stops americans... correction, US
> citizens
> > from buying realty in the EU.

> 'Realty' or do you mean reality? :)) You mean real estate surely.

Look up the word "realty" in your dictionary.

Quote:

> I don't think there are any EU edicts about this and I don't know of any
in
> the UK.

I don't either:)
 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Lloyd Devonshir » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:38:59


Quote:
> Also, if you consider movie theaters to be "in
> public"
> you can also enjoy a beer with your movie.

You can do that in the US, too, if you pick the right theatre (not hard to
do in Portland :)
 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Lloyd Devonshir » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:40:07


Quote:
> There is a system in place which stops americans... correction, US
citizens
> from buying realty in the EU.

Sounds suspiciously like the South in the 1950s.
 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Chris Francisc » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:49:06

Quote:



> > > Typical comments from an uncivilised Yankee.
> > > Are you from Texas?

> > Being a Yankee and being from Texas are mutually exclusive.

> Roger Clemens sez hi.

:) OK, being a Yankee in the nonbaseball sense and being from Texas are
mutually exclusive.

Chris

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Doan » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:44:41


Quote:
> In the US a house of 2000 square feet can go for anywhere between
> 100,000 USD and 400,000 USD depending on where you are living.

Don't know about the spread....but I would guess it might be wider than
100,000-400,000 Euros for a 2000 square feet house.

Quote:
> A down payment of 10% is usually sufficient, but often first-time
> homebuyers can buy with little or no money down.

> I have seen Fannie Mae (massive semi-governmental organisation
> whose job it is to buy mortgages from local banks therefore
> reducing the banks' risks) adverti***ts saying down payments
> of 30-50% are required in some European countries.

More than probable. Certain countries in the EU do have a fairly volatile
currency which the Euro should alleviate. I would imagine that getting your
loans in euro's would allow a lower down payment in certain European
countries. Another plus point for an extremely new currency which hit the
same value as the dollar soon.

Doan

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Robert the 'erber » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:53:04


Quote:





> > > > How easy is it to buy a house in the EU?

> > > It is very hard to buy a house in the EU.

> > In what way?

> > > There is a system in place which stops americans... correction, US
> > citizens
> > > from buying realty in the EU.

> > 'Realty' or do you mean reality? :)) You mean real estate surely.

> Look up the word "realty" in your dictionary.

What for? You've obviously translated it as it is pretty obscure.

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Quote:
> > I don't think there are any EU edicts about this and I don't know of any
> in
> > the UK.

> I don't either:)

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Chris Horyms » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:05:21


Quote:

> > > Being a Yankee and being from Texas are mutually exclusive.

> > Roger Clemens sez hi.

> :) OK, being a Yankee in the nonbaseball sense and being from Texas are
> mutually exclusive.

Tangentally, I rembember some Red Sox screed from about 25 years ago,
detailing that New Yorkers could not even properly claim the appelation
"Yankee", since Brits applied the term to all Americans, Southerners applied
it to all Northerners, and that, if anything, it traditionally belonged
exclusively to New Englanders.

Pathethic, yet typical.

Chris

 
 
 

Freedon of speech and behavior

Post by Lloyd Devonshir » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:15:39



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> > Look up the word "realty" in your dictionary.

> What for? You've obviously translated it as it is pretty obscure.

Eh, it may be an American v. British difference but realty is perfectly
common as an appelation if not in speech.

'erbert Brothers Realtors == 'erbert Brothers Realty Company