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by **Raulinh** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:54:36

Ok I've seen enough of the guy on the pitch to make a judgement. The best way
to describe Becham as a player is "Macca with a good crossing and excellent
dead ball skills". Simply not enough to play for Real.

He is completely overwhelmed by the players surrounding him. Salgado goes past
him like a tornado, the ball probably circulates a bit too fast for him he is
incapable of beating the opponent on one on one situations and he simply
releases the ball quick when he gets into trouble just like Macca.

After the novelty wears off Beckham will have lots of trouble to convince the
Bernabeu faithful that he is Real material. Zidane and Ronaldo struggled for
months before they made an impact on the team. Beckham won't be able to do so.
His bag of tricks is very limited and probably his future will be linked to the
success or failure of the team this season.This is a critical season for Real
Madrid with the elections coming next summer. If the season is a failure many
heads will roll and probably Perez won't even make an effort to get reelected.
He's been burned pretty bad with the Del Bosque affair and basically Perez has
gone for broke with Carlos Queiroz as the coach (a guy nobody knows really).

Beckham is lucky enough to be playing for a team where Ronaldo and Raul are at
their prime. His lack of skill can go a bit unnoticed if the other players go
on a rampage and Real is extremely successful this season by winning the 30th
league and 10th European Cup. But certainly he is not going to become a leader
on the pitch. Without any type of prejudice I'm able to say that Guti is a much
better footballer than Beckham and the presence of Becks is the starting eleven
will be more related to his merchanding potential than his footballing skills.
Now lets see how long that lasts.

by **John Knap** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:37:05

Quote:

> Without any type of prejudice I'm able to say that Guti is a much
>better footballer than Beckham

Priceless.

by **Catenacc** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 02:50:31

Quote:

> Ok I've seen enough of the guy on the pitch to make a judgement. The best way
> to describe Becham as a player is "Macca with a good crossing and excellent
> dead ball skills". Simply not enough to play for Real.

> He is completely overwhelmed by the players surrounding him. Salgado goes past
> him like a tornado, the ball probably circulates a bit too fast for him he is
> incapable of beating the opponent on one on one situations and he simply
> releases the ball quick when he gets into trouble just like Macca.

> After the novelty wears off Beckham will have lots of trouble to convince the
> Bernabeu faithful that he is Real material. Zidane and Ronaldo struggled for
> months before they made an impact on the team. Beckham won't be able to do so.
> His bag of tricks is very limited and probably his future will be linked to the
> success or failure of the team this season.This is a critical season for Real
> Madrid with the elections coming next summer. If the season is a failure many
> heads will roll and probably Perez won't even make an effort to get reelected.
> He's been burned pretty bad with the Del Bosque affair and basically Perez has
> gone for broke with Carlos Queiroz as the coach (a guy nobody knows really).

> Beckham is lucky enough to be playing for a team where Ronaldo and Raul are at
> their prime. His lack of skill can go a bit unnoticed if the other players go
> on a rampage and Real is extremely successful this season by winning the 30th
> league and 10th European Cup. But certainly he is not going to become a leader
> on the pitch. Without any type of prejudice I'm able to say that Guti is a much
> better footballer than Beckham and the presence of Becks is the starting eleven
> will be more related to his merchanding potential than his footballing skills.
> Now lets see how long that lasts.

I'm not going to debate the lack of skill issue, Beckham doesn't have
the raw talent the Ronaldos or even the Gutis have. Yet the game is
much more than just the usage of talent on the pitch, and that seems
to be the only point you've touched on.
Why not ask Carlos Dunga, a man not really welcomed by the Brazilian
fans due to his lack of craft, why he has made it in his career??
Because the guy works like a dog on the pitch.

I'm sure Beckham will be eager to prove his worth, you can doubt his
talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

by **Robbi** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:14:41

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> I'm sure Beckham will be eager to prove his worth, you can doubt his
> talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

You can't doubt his talent or skills.

You can say he doesn't have 'natural' talent perhaps.

by **Robbi** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:15:30

says...

Quote:

> Ok I've seen enough of the guy on the pitch to make a judgement. The best way
> to describe Becham

Who's he?

by **Shawn Cad** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:22:14

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> > I'm sure Beckham will be eager to prove his worth, you can doubt his
> > talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

> You can't doubt his talent or skills.

> You can say he doesn't have 'natural' talent perhaps.

Which, given his level of success on the pitch, seems a little ridiculous.
Sure, there are players with more on-the-ball ability, but to deny that he
has a natural gift is simply crazy. His talent simply entends to different
areas of the game (namely, passing and dead ball striking).

-- Shawn

by **Robbi** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:51:32

Quote:

> > > I'm sure Beckham will be eager to prove his worth, you can doubt his
> > > talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

> > You can't doubt his talent or skills.

> > You can say he doesn't have 'natural' talent perhaps.

> Which, given his level of success on the pitch, seems a little ridiculous.
> Sure, there are players with more on-the-ball ability, but to deny that he
> has a natural gift is simply crazy. His talent simply entends to different
> areas of the game (namely, passing and dead ball striking).

'Natural talent' is a bit dubious anyway. To be a professional footballer you
must have some. Just look at the difference between yourself and other chaps
on the playing field. :)

However, Beckham's unerring accuracy under pressure with the flight of the
ball is simply outstanding whether it has been homed by practice (it has) on
top of 'natural talent' is frankly an irrelevance.

by **Raulinh** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:04:30

Quote:

>I'm sure Beckham will be eager to prove his worth, you can doubt his
>talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

I don't doubt his comitment or professionalism. I think he is a 10 in both
respects just as Macca is a 10 as a professional off the pitch. It is simply
that I know he doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the Bernabeu. He is not
the type of player that the crowd in Madrid loves. And when the Bernabeu
dictates sentence it is very cruel. It sent Ivan Campo literally to the mad
house and I've seen Guti cry many times in his career after a not so bad
performance at home. Beckham will have his grace period like all new players
that come to the team but after that it will be complicated for him. I really
hope he makes it but there's too much quality sitting on the bench to really
give him lots of time to adapt.

by **Raulinh** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:05:07

Quote:

>> Ok I've seen enough of the guy on the pitch to make a judgement. The best
>way
>> to describe Becham

>Who's he?

Dude, I'm not sure.

by **J.Duluo** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:07:25

Quote:

> you can doubt his
> talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

Did I read correcly "you can't doubt his committment" ???????

Sir Alex let him go exacly because he doubt his committment, because he
prefer hair style than fooball, color his nails than football, go dance
with Victoria than Football...

In fact I don't think he have any committment for football at all so I
don't know what you're talking about.

by **Benn** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:23:26

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> Subject : Beckham won't make it in Real Madrid

>'Natural talent' is a bit dubious anyway. To be a professional footballer you
>must have some. Just look at the difference between yourself and other chaps
>on the playing field. :)

>However, Beckham's unerring accuracy under pressure with the flight of the
>ball is simply outstanding whether it has been homed by practice (it has) on
>top of 'natural talent' is frankly an irrelevance.

The most fundamental skill in football is the ability to pass the ball.
That's something Beckham does better than most players in the World and
we're not talking about square passes either! Linekar said during an
interview last week if he played alongside Beckham he would score 10
more goals a season.

http://soccer-europe.com

by **Benn** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:18:18

Quote:

> Subject : Beckham won't make it in Real Madrid

>I'm not going to debate the lack of skill issue, Beckham doesn't have
>the raw talent the Ronaldos or even the Gutis have. Yet the game is
>much more than just the usage of talent on the pitch, and that seems
>to be the only point you've touched on.
>Why not ask Carlos Dunga, a man not really welcomed by the Brazilian
>fans due to his lack of craft, why he has made it in his career??
>Because the guy works like a dog on the pitch.

>I'm sure Beckham will be eager to prove his worth, you can doubt his
>talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

I also have no doubt that Trollinho is an arsehole. He's just bitter
because Raul has become even more of a periphery figure following the
arrival of Beckham.

http://soccer-europe.com

by **Raulinh** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:42:05

Quote:

>I also have no doubt that Trollinho is an arsehole

Excuse me but I'm no arsehole. I might be an *** though.

by **Robbi** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:47:01

says...

Quote:

> > Subject : Beckham won't make it in Real Madrid

> >'Natural talent' is a bit dubious anyway. To be a professional footballer you
> >must have some. Just look at the difference between yourself and other chaps
> >on the playing field. :)

> >However, Beckham's unerring accuracy under pressure with the flight of the
> >ball is simply outstanding whether it has been homed by practice (it has) on
> >top of 'natural talent' is frankly an irrelevance.

> The most fundamental skill in football is the ability to pass the ball.

Indeed.

Next is anticipation and awareness of space and players.

Quote:

> That's something Beckham does better than most players in the World and
> we're not talking about square passes either! Linekar said during an
> interview last week if he played alongside Beckham he would score 10
> more goals a season.

No doubt.

by **Robbi** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:49:52

says...

Quote:

> >I'm sure Beckham will be eager to prove his worth, you can doubt his
> >talent, but you can't doubt his committment.

> I don't doubt his comitment or professionalism. I think he is a 10 in both
> respects just as Macca is a 10 as a professional off the pitch. It is simply
> that I know he doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the Bernabeu. He is not
> the type of player that the crowd in Madrid loves. And when the Bernabeu
> dictates sentence it is very cruel. It sent Ivan Campo literally to the mad
> house

Campo and Beckham in the same breath. Amusing

Quote:

> and I've seen Guti cry many times in his career after a not so bad
> performance at home. Beckham will have his grace period like all new players
> that come to the team but after that it will be complicated for him. I really
> hope he makes it but there's too much quality sitting on the bench to really
> give him lots of time to adapt.

What you don't realise about Beckham is that he is soooooooooooooo used to
pressure but your unnatural love for Real blinds you.

He'll take it in his stride you ignorant bigoted buffoon.