Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by Mario Tregli » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00


First, Scotland long balls from behind the
half line to the back of brazilian
deffense, then Norway long balls from
behind the half line to the back of
Moroccoan deffense.... and then (yes,
unbelievable but true) Italy's long balls
against Chile...... and then Austria's long
balls against Cameroon..... Is there some
trend going on in Europe that the rest of
the world should know?

Well, I realise that as the old saying
states:

"Whatever works for you pal..."

But, shouldn't we be looking for a little
bit more of creativiness?
I don't know, just wondering......
juuuuusssstt wondering.........

peace

Mario Treglia
Tokyo/JAPAN

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Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by H?vard M » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>But, shouldn't we be looking for a little
>bit more of creativiness?

I'm not sure, but if the long ball that lead to Italys first goal
wasn't creative (as in the true meaning og the word) - then what the
hell is??

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Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by Magu » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> First, Scotland long balls from behind the
> half line to the back of brazilian
> deffense, then Norway long balls from
> behind the half line to the back of
> Moroccoan deffense.... and then (yes,
> unbelievable but true) Italy's long balls
> against Chile...... and then Austria's long
> balls against Cameroon..... Is there some
> trend going on in Europe that the rest of
> the world should know?

I notice you're from Japan, and I don't expect your lot to be thumping
long balls if they want to keep posession. Good luck against Argentina,
and may you torpedo their rear end and surprise the world.

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Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by Jostei » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> First, Scotland long balls from behind the
> half line to the back of brazilian
> deffense, then Norway long balls from
> behind the half line to the back of
> Moroccoan deffense.... and then (yes,
> unbelievable but true) Italy's long balls
> against Chile...... and then Austria's long
> balls against Cameroon.....

Morocco scored two goals after a creative long ball that caught the
Norwegian defence sleeping.
Scotland had some great opportunities of scoring after playing long balls
when the Brazilian team had few players behind the ball.
Christian Vieri scored a truly magnificent goal after Maldini played a long
ball to Baggio, who creatively set up Vieri.

Quote:
>Is there some
> trend going on in Europe that the rest of
> the world should know?

Yes, you should know by now, or else youre in big trouble when meeting
teams that play long balls in counter attacks.

Jostein

 
 
 

Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by yardle » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>First, Scotland long balls from behind the
>half line to the back of brazilian
>deffense, then Norway long balls from
>behind the half line to the back of
>Moroccoan deffense.... and then (yes,
>unbelievable but true) Italy's long balls
>against Chile...... and then Austria's long
>balls against Cameroon..... Is there some
>trend going on in Europe that the rest of
>the world should know?

>Well, I realise that as the old saying
>states:

>"Whatever works for you pal..."

>But, shouldn't we be looking for a little
>bit more of creativiness?
>I don't know, just wondering......
>juuuuusssstt wondering.........

Come on......thats such an elitist attitude, I really thought the maturity
levels of most football fans had increased over the last few years..maybe
not.

First of all Scotlands tattics (which were spot on) was to hit an accurate
channel ball into the space where Roberto Carlos normally operates, because
when he goes forward they leave their flank weak.

If you hadnt noticed......the Scots had a lot of success with that tactic.
So one can only say that it was the correct tactic.

End of story.

 
 
 

Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by yitb.. » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

You forgot Morocco's, Cameroon's, and Chile's long
balls.  I think some coaches want to make this the
WC '98 fashion.  After the first four games, I'd
say that only Brasil has not played like Norway!

Salaam Yitbarek



Quote:

> First, Scotland long balls from behind the
> half line to the back of brazilian
> deffense, then Norway long balls from
> behind the half line to the back of
> Moroccoan deffense.... and then (yes,
> unbelievable but true) Italy's long balls
> against Chile...... and then Austria's long
> balls against Cameroon..... Is there some
> trend going on in Europe that the rest of
> the world should know?

> Well, I realise that as the old saying
> states:

> "Whatever works for you pal..."

> But, shouldn't we be looking for a little
> bit more of creativiness?
> I don't know, just wondering......
> juuuuusssstt wondering.........

> peace

> Mario Treglia
> Tokyo/JAPAN

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Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by richard bro » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Don't forget Long Ball Yugoslavia

 
 
 

Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by yitb.. » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Please understand the complaint is not about long balls that reach
their target.  It's about 50-50 long balls, or 30-70 long balls,
which is what the 'long ball strategy' has always meant.  Watching
balls booted into the penalty area and scrambled into the net
is not as attractive as watching a goal after a few consecutive
passes (long or short) that reach their intended targets.  I think
that's what Mr. Treglia meant.

IMHO, the long ball strategy can be very effective.  It all depends
on the type of player you have.  Cameroon, for example, did not
need to hit the ball long.  They were given all sorts of space into
the last third of the field as Austria sat back..  Roger Milla would
have scored several goals yesterday.

Salaam Yitbarek



Quote:



> > First, Scotland long balls from behind the
> > half line to the back of brazilian
> > deffense, then Norway long balls from
> > behind the half line to the back of
> > Moroccoan deffense.... and then (yes,
> > unbelievable but true) Italy's long balls
> > against Chile...... and then Austria's long
> > balls against Cameroon.....

> Morocco scored two goals after a creative long ball that caught the
> Norwegian defence sleeping.
> Scotland had some great opportunities of scoring after playing long balls
> when the Brazilian team had few players behind the ball.
> Christian Vieri scored a truly magnificent goal after Maldini played a long
> ball to Baggio, who creatively set up Vieri.

> >Is there some
> > trend going on in Europe that the rest of
> > the world should know?

> Yes, you should know by now, or else youre in big trouble when meeting
> teams that play long balls in counter attacks.

> Jostein

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Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by Mario Tregli » Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:00:00

In article <897646141.743.0.nnrp-

  "yardley" <

Quote:


> >First, Scotland long balls from behind the
> >half line to the back of brazilian
> >deffense, then Norway long balls from
> >behind the half line to the back of
> >Moroccoan deffense.... and then (yes,
> >unbelievable but true) Italy's long balls
> >against Chile...... and then Austria's long
> >balls against Cameroon..... Is there some
> >trend going on in Europe that the rest of
> >the world should know?

> >Well, I realise that as the old saying
> >states:

> >"Whatever works for you pal..."

> >But, shouldn't we be looking for a little
> >bit more of creativiness?
> >I don't know, just wondering......
> >juuuuusssstt wondering.........

> Come on......thats such an elitist attitude, I really thought the maturity
> levels of most football fans had increased over the last few years..maybe
> not.

I don't really know what maturity has to
do with anything here, I do however
believe that in a WC we expect to watch
sensational matches, that is to say.....
super plays.... or as someone else in this
thread mentioned, beautiful and exciting
matches with teams building up passes
from their defense or midfield and
creating goal situations, if possible
with some dribling, THATS good football
to watch once every four years, any TRUE
football fan would sure like it better
than dozens of long balls in one game, be
a 9 years old or a 90 years old,
capisci???

Quote:

> First of all Scotlands tattics (which were spot on) was to hit an accurate
> channel ball into the space where Roberto Carlos normally operates, because
> when he goes forward they leave their flank weak.

Great!!!!
I can see I touched a nerve here, maybe
Scotland wasn't the worst among those
countries I mentioned above, certainly
not after watching Austria and Norway,
but anyway, none of the countries I
mentioned above won anything, so I don't
know how effective it is.

Quote:

> If you hadnt noticed......the Scots had a lot of success with that tactic.

Ops, I didn't notice, my apologies I
thought the game ended 2 - 1 for Brazil,
but it was late, I was sleepy had a hard
day of work, maybe I got it all wrong.

Quote:
> So one can only say that it was the correct tactic.

correct? I don't know, effective? maybe
if it works, but exciting? never!!
You see? I'm a football fan, I'm not a
coach, I want to see good matches, I
don't get payed to think about effective
tactics, besides, remember the game
between Netherland and Egypt?? (I think
it was Italy '90) Egypt played with
eleven under their goal for 90 minutes,
they hold the Netherland to a draw, sooo..
what an effective tactic, but the
lousiest, ugliest, crapiest match of WC
history...

Quote:

> End of story.

Nope, it is the begin, and we are not even
done with the first round yet...

ain't this booggie a mess?

peace

Mario Treglia
Tokyo/JAPAN

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Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by yardle » Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>In article <897646141.743.0.nnrp-

>  "yardley" <


>> >First, Scotland long balls from behind the
>> >half line to the back of brazilian
>> >deffense

SNIP

Quote:
>> Come on......thats such an elitist attitude, I really thought the
maturity
>> levels of most football fans had increased over the last few years..maybe
>> not.

>I don't really know what maturity has to
>do with anything here, I do however
>believe that in a WC we expect to watch
>sensational matches, that is to say.....
>super plays.... or as someone else in this
>thread mentioned, beautiful and exciting
>matches with teams building up passes
>from their defense or midfield and
>creating goal situations, if possible
>with some dribling, THATS good football
>to watch once every four years, any TRUE
>football fan would sure like it better
>than dozens of long balls in one game, be
>a 9 years old or a 90 years old,
>capisci???

You are making it sound as though I am saying its great to play the long
ball all the time...that is not the case. I love seeing exciting on the
floor football as much as the next guy....but the reality of the matter is
that if a teams defense cannot deal with long balls very well then they
should be exploited. For instance Rauls goal today..was intrinsically a long
ball from Hierro over the top of nigerias defenders........did you  like
that left foot volley?

Now..if a team is just plain BAD at delivering long balls..then that is a
different matter.......but accurate long balls into good strikers can make
as exciting goals as those from long passing buildups.

You are talking about the difference between good and bad teams....the long
ball bias is meaningless.

Comprende?

Quote:
>> First of all Scotlands tattics (which were spot on) was to hit an
accurate
>> channel ball into the space where Roberto Carlos normally operates,
because
>> when he goes forward they leave their flank weak.

>Great!!!!
>I can see I touched a nerve here, maybe
>Scotland wasn't the worst among those
>countries I mentioned above,

No....Im English actually...so you touched no nerve. I was just pointing out
that Scotlands most effective tactic against Brazil was that right flank
long ball. If they had better quality strikers they could have taken better
advantage of Brazils defensive flaw.

It would be crazy now for any team to ignore that Brazil has a weakness
there...purely because they dont like playing long ball.

Quote:
>> If you hadnt noticed......the Scots had a lot of success with that
tactic.

>Ops, I didn't notice, my apologies I
>thought the game ended 2 - 1 for Brazil,
>but it was late, I was sleepy had a hard
>day of work, maybe I got it all wrong.

You have contradicted yourself here my friend. Because just above you try to
make the point that the result is everything (though rather
sarcastically)...then in your paragraph below...you say you just want to
watch exciting football...that you arent a coach........well, whats it going
to be?

Scotland were successful in their tactics but unfortubately for them they
didnt have the players to fully exploit that weakness.

Quote:
>> So one can only say that it was the correct tactic.

>correct? I don't know, effective? maybe
>if it works, but exciting? never!!
>You see? I'm a football fan, I'm not a
>coach, I want to see good matches, I
>don't get payed to think about effective
>tactics, besides, remember the game
>between Netherland and Egypt?? (I think
>it was Italy '90) Egypt played with
>eleven under their goal for 90 minutes,
>they hold the Netherland to a draw, sooo..
>what an effective tactic, but the
>lousiest, ugliest, crapiest match of WC
>history...

Yes....I think everyone would agree with that...but let me ask you this;

I dont know where you are from but say you were given the choice of winning
the WC playing with a tactic that wasnt particularly exciting..........or
losing playing cavalier artistic football....which would you choose?

 
 
 

Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by Bill Clinto » Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> > You forgot Morocco's, Cameroon's, and Chile's long
> > balls.  I think some coaches want to make this the
> > WC '98 fashion.  After the first four games, I'd
> > say that only Brasil has not played like Norway!

> > Salaam Yitbarek

> What's wrong with the long ball? I always thought that short ball soccer was
> schoolyard soccer -- fun to watch, but hardly intelligent.

> Throughout the Italy-Chile game (I was cheering for Chile) I kept bashing my
> head at the ineptness of the Chileans -- WHY COULD THEY NOT MAKE A LONG
> PASS!!!!????

Yes, Chile was terribly inept, winning 2-1 against Italy.
Unfortunately,
the idiot referee decided to give Italy one more goal.
 
 
 

Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by frtzw.. » Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> You forgot Morocco's, Cameroon's, and Chile's long
> balls.  I think some coaches want to make this the
> WC '98 fashion.  After the first four games, I'd
> say that only Brasil has not played like Norway!

> Salaam Yitbarek

What's wrong with the long ball? I always thought that short ball soccer was
schoolyard soccer -- fun to watch, but hardly intelligent.

Throughout the Italy-Chile game (I was cheering for Chile) I kept bashing my
head at the ineptness of the Chileans -- WHY COULD THEY NOT MAKE A LONG
PASS!!!!????

Cheers,
Wilf
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Post by Marcelo Weinberg » Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:00:00

: I always thought that short ball soccer was schoolyard soccer -- fun
: to watch, but hardly intelligent.

Yes. That's why most world cups were won by the long ball approach...
Oops, maybe not...

--
Marcelo

 
 
 

Long Balls, Long Balls.... Ah! All those Long Balls

Post by frtzw.. » Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:00:00



Quote:




> : >

> : >
> : > : I always thought that short ball soccer was schoolyard soccer --
> : > : fun to watch, but hardly intelligent.
> : >
> : > Yes. That's why most world cups were won by the long ball approach...
> : > Oops, maybe not...

> : Soccer, like most team sports, is all about time and space. Why run
> : like crazy, if the ball can work for you?

> So now I learn that it is the teams that play short ball -- not the
> Norways of this world -- who run like crazy?

Well, observe for yourself; who does more running? the long or the short-ball
teams. I'm simply saying that in using the long ball, you let the ball do the
work as you take your position without having to run like crazy while an
opponent hacks at your ankles. With the long ball, you take position wthout
being challenged (you are covered/marked, but not physically challenged until
the ball arrives).

Quote:

> : As to winning World Cups, we'll see...

> No, there is nothing we need to see in one specific WC. Why wait, when
> the evidence is already here with us? 15 WCs, 11 of which were won by
> Latin teams who play possession style football. Case closed.

You can play possession ball AND long ball soccer; the two are not mutually
exclusive. The Germans play an EXTREME possession game while using plenty of
long balls.

Cheers,
Wilf
frtzw906

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