(R) Copa Libertadores 2007 - Jun 13

(R) Copa Libertadores 2007 - Jun 13

Post by Jesus Petr » Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:36:23


Finals, first leg (no away goal rule)

 Boca Juniors (B Aires-ARG) 3-0 Grmio (P Alegre-BRA)
  [Palacio 19', Riquelme 74', Patrcio 89' (OG)]
  Riquelme's free kick found Palermo marginally offside and
  he pulled the ball back for Palacio to put Boca ahead.
  Sandro Goiano was sent off at 58' for kicking Riquelme in
  the face, although it was probably involuntary. Morel took
  a free kick by touching the ball aside just enough to clear
  the wall and Riquelme sent a *** strike into the corner
  where Saja was before the touch. Riquelme eluded four
  defenders before lifting the ball into the box, Ledesma beat
  Saja to the ball and Patrcio, trying to clear under pressure,
  hit the ball into his own net.

  My ratings:

   Boca Juniors
  Caranta - weak goalie, had little to do and yet almost gifted
 Grmio a goal giving a rebound. 3
  Ibarra - had trouble with Carlos Eduardo in the beginning of
 the match, could have been sent off for a foul on him. 4
  Morel Rodrguez - good in the air. 7
  Daz - discreet. 6
  Clemente - part of the excellent left side of Boca. 7
  Ledesma - fine midfielder. 7
  Banega - fouled a bit too much. 5
  Cardozo - created trouble by the left. 7
  Riquelme - if I gave Sobis a 10 last year, he should get 11!
 Absolutely ran the game. 10
  Palacio - outshone by Riquelme but still a great player. 8
  Palermo - did little, but enough to get an assist. 6
  Battaglia - subbed in for Banega. Too little time, no rating.
  Dtolo - subbed in for Cardozo, kept the level of his play. 7

   Grmio
  Saja -  no fault on the goals. 5
  Patrcio - abysmal. 2
  William - fine in the air. 6
  Teco - saved a certain goal, Grmio's best defender. 8
  Lcio - didn't fear the Bombonera's atmosphere. 7
  Gaviln - discreet. 6
  Sandro Goiano - was OK until the foolish sending off. 4
  Diego Souza - missed a valuable goal on a rebound by
 Caranta. Discreet otherwise. 5
  Tcheco - horrible, gave away too many balls. 2
  Carlos Eduardo - Grmio's only spark in the attacking
 department. 7
  Tuta - almost absent. 2
  Douglas - subbed in for Tcheco. Too little time, no rating.
  Lucas - subbed in for Tuta. Created Grmio's best chance
 with a long range shot. 7

  Second leg on Jun 20.

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

 
 
 

(R) Copa Libertadores 2007 - Jun 13

Post by Lleo » Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:52:53


Quote:
> Finals, first leg (no away goal rule)

Thank heavens! Do you know if they adopted extra time for the final as
well?

Quote:
>  Boca Juniors (B Aires-ARG) 3-0 Grmio (P Alegre-BRA)
>   [Palacio 19', Riquelme 74', Patrcio 89' (OG)]
>   Riquelme's free kick found Palermo marginally offside and
>   he pulled the ball back for Palacio to put Boca ahead.
>   Sandro Goiano was sent off at 58' for kicking Riquelme in
>   the face, although it was probably involuntary. Morel took
>   a free kick by touching the ball aside just enough to clear
>   the wall and Riquelme sent a *** strike into the corner
>   where Saja was before the touch. Riquelme eluded four
>   defenders before lifting the ball into the box, Ledesma beat
>   Saja to the ball and Patrcio, trying to clear under pressure,
>   hit the ball into his own net.

I was watching the second half of this demolition, remembering Klber
Leite's ramblings on how Flamengo was set up because "Boca was afraid
of us" :-)

Riquelme had a hell of a game. There was a moment when he was about to
take a throw in and had a rough exchange with Mano Menezes, Gremio's
coach. IIRC, the field reporter said that Mano closed it with the
words, "oh, just go play your football" (or something to that effect).
Seems like he took Mano's advice ;-) that third goal was a great play
on his part.

Gremistas were whining about Larrionda after the game. Although the
first goal was offside (marginally, but still), it is a stretch to
blame the 0-3 on the ref... they were completely outplayed in the part
of the game I have seen. And since Boca isn't Caxias, I really doubt
Gremio will come back from this one to win their third Libertadores
title. It's been a hell of a ride in any case for them, seeing as less
than two years ago they were in Serie B.

--
Llo

 
 
 

(R) Copa Libertadores 2007 - Jun 13

Post by Jesus Petr » Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:28:34


Quote:

> > Finals, first leg (no away goal rule)

> Thank heavens! Do you know if they adopted extra time for the final as
> well?

 Yes.

Quote:
> >  Boca Juniors (B Aires-ARG) 3-0 Grmio (P Alegre-BRA)
> >   [Palacio 19', Riquelme 74', Patrcio 89' (OG)]
> >   Riquelme's free kick found Palermo marginally offside and
> >   he pulled the ball back for Palacio to put Boca ahead.
> >   Sandro Goiano was sent off at 58' for kicking Riquelme in
> >   the face, although it was probably involuntary. Morel took
> >   a free kick by touching the ball aside just enough to clear
> >   the wall and Riquelme sent a *** strike into the corner
> >   where Saja was before the touch. Riquelme eluded four
> >   defenders before lifting the ball into the box, Ledesma beat
> >   Saja to the ball and Patrcio, trying to clear under pressure,
> >   hit the ball into his own net.

> I was watching the second half of this demolition, remembering Klber
> Leite's ramblings on how Flamengo was set up because "Boca was afraid
> of us" :-)

 Hahahahahahaha!

Quote:
> Riquelme had a hell of a game. There was a moment when he was about to
> take a throw in and had a rough exchange with Mano Menezes, Gremio's
> coach. IIRC, the field reporter said that Mano closed it with the
> words, "oh, just go play your football" (or something to that effect).
> Seems like he took Mano's advice ;-) that third goal was a great play
> on his part.

 Riquelme played like "World class".

Quote:
> Gremistas were whining about Larrionda after the game. Although the
> first goal was offside (marginally, but still), it is a stretch to
> blame the 0-3 on the ref... they were completely outplayed in the part
> of the game I have seen. And since Boca isn't Caxias, I really doubt
> Gremio will come back from this one to win their third Libertadores
> title. It's been a hell of a ride in any case for them, seeing as less
> than two years ago they were in Serie B.

 I prefer to adopt the cautious approach here. Stranger things
have happened (Boca's ***job last Apertura, for instance).

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

 
 
 

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Post by Clémen » Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:24:56


Quote:
> Riquelme had a hell of a game. There was a moment when he was about to
> take a throw in and had a rough exchange with Mano Menezes, Gremio's
> coach. IIRC, the field reporter said that Mano closed it with the
> words, "oh, just go play your football" (or something to that effect).
> Seems like he took Mano's advice ;-) that third goal was a great play
> on his part.

Truth be told, Riquelme did not just win this game. He won the
Libertadores Cup. He was there for almost all (if not all) the crucial
moments for Boca after the first stage.

I think I heard on the TV that Boca spent $2 million to have him for 4
months? Well, that's money well spent! =)

Quote:
> Gremistas were whining about Larrionda after the game. Although the
> first goal was offside (marginally, but still), it is a stretch to
> blame the 0-3 on the ref... they were completely outplayed in the part
> of the game I have seen.

I totally agree with you, but I don't blame the players for their
comments. They played a good match for the most part and were
frustrated by the outcome. It's only natural that they would look for
explanations at the heat of the moment.

The first goal was offside, and there was another non-called offside
in the second half, that almost ended up in a goal by Palacios (it was
still 1-0). Other than that, I can't recall any important mistakes.

The bottom line is, no matter how well Grmio showed up (especially in
the first half), they lost to a better team. Possibly a much better
one.

Quote:
> And since Boca isn't Caxias, I really doubt
> Gremio will come back from this one to win their third Libertadores
> title.

They won't. I would be careful too if I were in JP's place... =) But
the truth is, Grmio are done.

Quote:
> It's been a hell of a ride in any case for them, seeing as less
> than two years ago they were in Serie B.

Very true.

Abra?o,

Luiz Mello

 
 
 

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Post by Lleo » Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:46:19


Quote:

> > Riquelme had a hell of a game. There was a moment when he was about to
> > take a throw in and had a rough exchange with Mano Menezes, Gremio's
> > coach. IIRC, the field reporter said that Mano closed it with the
> > words, "oh, just go play your football" (or something to that effect).
> > Seems like he took Mano's advice ;-) that third goal was a great play
> > on his part.

> Truth be told, Riquelme did not just win this game. He won the
> Libertadores Cup. He was there for almost all (if not all) the crucial
> moments for Boca after the first stage.

> I think I heard on the TV that Boca spent $2 million to have him for 4
> months? Well, that's money well spent! =)

I heard that too. He's on loan from which team, Barcelona or
Villareal?

Quote:
> > Gremistas were whining about Larrionda after the game. Although the
> > first goal was offside (marginally, but still), it is a stretch to
> > blame the 0-3 on the ref... they were completely outplayed in the part
> > of the game I have seen.

> I totally agree with you, but I don't blame the players for their
> comments. They played a good match for the most part and were
> frustrated by the outcome. It's only natural that they would look for
> explanations at the heat of the moment.

Fair enough.

Quote:
> The first goal was offside, and there was another non-called offside
> in the second half, that almost ended up in a goal by Palacios (it was
> still 1-0). Other than that, I can't recall any important mistakes.

> The bottom line is, no matter how well Grmio showed up (especially in
> the first half), they lost to a better team. Possibly a much better
> one.

Yes. One can't even say that they felt La Bombonera's atmosphere, it
clearly wasn't the case. I wonder what it will be like at the
Olimpico.

Quote:
> > And since Boca isn't Caxias, I really doubt
> > Gremio will come back from this one to win their third Libertadores
> > title.

> They won't. I would be careful too if I were in JP's place... =) But
> the truth is, Grmio are done.

IF they managed to come back and turn this around, it would arguably
the biggest comeback of all time, for the whole picture (to come from
Serie B all the way to the Libertadores Champion's stand).

But I think they won't, and are indeed done. And I agree that JP is
right in being careful :-)

Quote:
> > It's been a hell of a ride in any case for them, seeing as less
> > than two years ago they were in Serie B.

> Very true.

I was thinking, sometimes we disregard minor events as "too marginal"
to make a difference in a game's outcome (or a championship's), and
most of them indeed are, but how they can influence events in the
future.

Specifically, I was thinking of the match that got Gremio promoted to
Serie A in 2005, that amazing choke-job now known as the "Battle of
the Aflitos". When the referee called the second penalty against them,
and all that confusion ensued, four Gremio players were sent off. Had
he shown a fifth red card (and it wouldn't have been so out of place,
seeing as how ***ly the Gremistas were complaining) they simply
wouldn't be here, in the Libertadores final watching Riquelme dance
rings around them :-) In fact, they could even still be in the B,
battling for promotion.

Other example is how Botafogo avoided the drop in 2004. Cricima had
to beat Coritiba at home, were drawing 3-3 and hit the post in the
90somethingth minute. A few inches to the side and Botafogo probably
wouldn't be in the pole-position they are today.

I know all this is with hindsight, and quite frankly irrelevant,
but... funny, isn't it? :-)

--
Llo

 
 
 

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Post by Enzo » Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:09:24


Quote:


> > > Riquelme had a hell of a game. There was a moment when he was about to
> > > take a throw in and had a rough exchange with Mano Menezes, Gremio's
> > > coach. IIRC, the field reporter said that Mano closed it with the
> > > words, "oh, just go play your football" (or something to that effect).
> > > Seems like he took Mano's advice ;-) that third goal was a great play
> > > on his part.

> > Truth be told, Riquelme did not just win this game. He won the
> > Libertadores Cup. He was there for almost all (if not all) the crucial
> > moments for Boca after the first stage.

> > I think I heard on the TV that Boca spent $2 million to have him for 4
> > months? Well, that's money well spent! =)

> I heard that too. He's on loan from which team, Barcelona or
> Villareal?

>From Villarreal.

But it seems now the Old Lady is gunning for him. Yes, Juve
wants Riquelme, who showed tonite he is still, on his day, the
best playmaker on the planet.

I doubt though that Serie A will suit his style. He would be
better advised to go back to Spain ( since Boca cannot
afford his wages ). Question is, will Barcelona gamble on
him again ? It all depends on who is replacing Rijkaard.
But for sure, Barca need a replacement for Deco.
Roman may have 1 great year left in him.

Enzo [ Palermo - brilliant for Boca, bad everywhere else ]