Soccer acting

Soccer acting

Post by carl anderso » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00


I have never played soccer but I do appreciate what a fine game it is.
I have just finished watching Italy and Chile on TV and I have a question.
 Why is all that play acting allowed when ever a player is touched .Im sure
the players are not all whimps as it appears.
 I agree with the English commentetors when the said the game will lose as
many new fans as they gain during the World Cup with all this silly acting.
Carl Anderson
Richmond B.C.
Can.

 
 
 

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Post by richard bro » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Hello Carl:

Because simetimes it works, it is called diving to make it look like the
opponent did illegal contact to get a foul. So an opponent gets a
yellow, after that he must be careful, maybe that is enough of an
advantage to score.

Or a red card, so the opponent can play short 1 man, a big advantage. If
it is in the box a penaly kick would be awarded, so you get a chance to
score an easy goal

Richie.

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Hilto » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hello Carl:

> Because simetimes it works, it is called diving to make it look like the
> opponent did illegal contact to get a foul. So an opponent gets a
> yellow, after that he must be careful, maybe that is enough of an
> advantage to score.

> Or a red card, so the opponent can play short 1 man, a big advantage. If
> it is in the box a penaly kick would be awarded, so you get a chance to
> score an easy goal

While these are some of the bad reasons, there are some, well, not quite
as bad reasons for 'selling' a foul. If a guy clips you on the back of
the leg, he has fouled you. Now you might be able to stumble through it
and stay on your feet, but you're probably off balance now and not going
to be able to cut by the defender in front of you. Or you can fall down
and get the free kick that you deserve, but now you've got to fall
convincingly. Since just throwing your legs out from under you isn't
likely to convince anyone, it's easiest to grab the clipped area as if
you've been hurt and go down.

So basically this results from the fact that refs tend to only call
fouls when someone actually hits the ground and so it's usually better
for a plyer to go down when fouled than try to play through it. I agree
the acting is way over done, but the refs do usually know this, know
that there was a foul in the first place, and only make the call based
on what they initially saw, not on how much a player rolls around on the
ground, since most refs were once players and know what it's about. Most
players haven't been refs, though (which I think is a shame), so they
continue to ham it up.

All this is IMHO.

--
Chris Hilton
http://www.jump.net/~dctank
ICQ#: 8190204

 
 
 

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Post by Magu » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hello Carl:

> Because simetimes it works, it is called diving to make it look like
> the
> opponent did illegal contact to get a foul. So an opponent gets a
> yellow, after that he must be careful, maybe that is enough of an
> advantage to score.

> Or a red card, so the opponent can play short 1 man, a big advantage.
> If
> it is in the box a penaly kick would be awarded, so you get a chance
> to
> score an easy goal

Italy do it al the time, and it's a disgrace ;-).

http://www.travelnotes.org/Football/

 
 
 

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Post by Shane Bybe » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Yes, it works, but what was Rojas' deal.  I was amazed at the fast
healing he was able to create, stopping the game with excruciated
grimmaces when on the replay you could see that he was incidentally
tapped.  Unlike his goalkeeper who took a real shot to the knee that was
legitimately troublesome.

I was glad to see him get the yellow card for his showmanship late in
the game.

Shane

 
 
 

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Post by John » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> I have never played soccer but I do appreciate what a fine game it is.
> I have just finished watching Italy and Chile on TV and I have a question.
>  Why is all that play acting allowed when ever a player is touched .Im sure
> the players are not all whimps as it appears.
>  I agree with the English commentetors when the said the game will lose as
> many new fans as they gain during the World Cup with all this silly acting.
> Carl Anderson
> Richmond B.C.
> Can.

All the rest of the world should take a leaf out British teams play - we
never dive as it is bad sportmanship.  It is cheating - plain and
simple.

John

 
 
 

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Post by Shane Bybe » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> All the rest of the world should take a leaf out British teams play - we
> never dive as it is bad sportmanship.  It is cheating - plain and
> simple.

> John

Taking a dive is inexcusable.  Overacting (as Rojas did today) is
immature and tends makes me, as a player, look to be more physical with
that player the next time we collide.  The logic - if he's going to get
the foul anyway, I'll make sure he deserves it.  I don't play dirty and
punish my players that do, but there are so many other ways to make a
player look for you first without being dirty.

However, I had a problem this year with my strikers getting hacked in
the box then taking an off-balance, poorly struck shot because of their
tenacity.  While I respected them and their aggressiveness and will
brought us a second straight district title, I pointed out to them the
difference in percentage shots between what they were doing and a PK.

I still correct what I see as unsportsmanlike behavior, but if a
fullback is going to take down a striker from behind, he deserves the
penalty regardless of the amount of contact.  I just wish the players
would cut the antics.

Shane

 
 
 

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Post by Richard Tamu » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>> Hello Carl:

>> Because simetimes it works, it is called diving to make it look like
>> the
>> opponent did illegal contact to get a foul. So an opponent gets a
>> yellow, after that he must be careful, maybe that is enough of an
>> advantage to score.

>> Or a red card, so the opponent can play short 1 man, a big advantage.
>> If
>> it is in the box a penaly kick would be awarded, so you get a chance
>> to
>> score an easy goal

>Italy do it al the time, and it's a disgrace ;-).

>http://www.travelnotes.org/Football/

Therefore, applying the transitive rule, Italy are a disgrace.
Hahahaha.

   - Rich

 
 
 

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Post by Alan Dougl » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I have never played soccer but I do appreciate what a fine game it is.
>I have just finished watching Italy and Chile on TV and I have a question.
> Why is all that play acting allowed when ever a player is touched .Im sure
>the players are not all whimps as it appears.

People have already talked about diving to draw a foul, which I don't
like much either, however there is another issue...

Now I may be foolish and naive, as I seem to be the only person who
points this out, but sometimes when you get kicked it hurts.  Now that
may not be an excuse to fall to the ground and act like you've been
shot, but look at it this way: you're in pain and for a few moments
you can't run very well if at all.  Do you struggle on and keep
playing, handicapping your team because you're not able to run
properly, or do you go down, exaggerate the injury, get treatment, and
buy some time to recover?  Your choice.

Quote:
>Carl Anderson
>Richmond B.C.
>Can.

Since you are in Canada, (I'm actually over in Burnaby "Hi Carl, can
you see me, I'm waiving" :) I'll also make a contrast with ice hockey.
Often in hockey you'll see a player get hurt and struggle to the bench
so that a fresh player can rush onto the ice and take his place
instantly.  Soccer players don't have that luxury.  If they crawl off
the field (which is a lot tougher than coasting to the bench), then
their team is having to play shorthanded until they can get back on
the field.  So keep that in mind the next time you watch a hockey
game.

Cheers,
Alan Douglas
Soccer Guy/

 
 
 

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Post by Andy » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> >  I agree with the English commentetors when the said the game will lose
as
> > many new fans as they gain during the World Cup with all this silly
acting.
> > Carl Anderson
> > Richmond B.C.
> > Can.

> All the rest of the world should take a leaf out British teams play - we
> never dive as it is bad sportmanship.  It is cheating - plain and
> simple.

Unfortunately that's no longer true. In order to compete in Europe,  this
side of the game has to be incorporated. It's very sad but in Europe the
southern end of the continent has dragged the game right down.

They have made our game a laughing stock, there is one episode
of the Simpsons where they refer to "The Pele Soccer and Acting
Summer Camp".

What does that tell you?

 
 
 

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Post by Andy » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> People have already talked about diving to draw a foul, which I don't
> like much either, however there is another issue...

> Now I may be foolish and naive, as I seem to be the only person who
> points this out, but sometimes when you get kicked it hurts.  Now that
> may not be an excuse to fall to the ground and act like you've been
> shot, but look at it this way: you're in pain and for a few moments
> you can't run very well if at all.  Do you struggle on and keep
> playing, handicapping your team because you're not able to run
> properly, or do you go down, exaggerate the injury, get treatment, and
> buy some time to recover?  Your choice.

IF everybody plays correctly then you have a level playing field. Referees
would then not have to make a judgement and genuinely hurt players
would not be ignored. Soon as you start that junk the whole thing is
heading downhill and gathering speed. Fakers should be sent off, because
they are plain and simple cheats embarassing the game, there is
no valid argument for acting.
 
 
 

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Post by Magu » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> IF everybody plays correctly then you have a level playing field.
> Referees
> would then not have to make a judgement and genuinely hurt players
> would not be ignored. Soon as you start that junk the whole thing is
> heading downhill and gathering speed. Fakers should be sent off,
> because
> they are plain and simple cheats embarassing the game, there is
> no valid argument for acting.

Let us not forget Zola against England. He even admitted after the match
that he dived.

Players in real pain roll around even more than the tricksters to try
and say, I really am in pain. Then after they get a hand job from their
*friendly* physio, they're up and score a goal.

It's all a joke, although I think the referees have done a good job to
date in letting the games flow and not dealing out cards as if they were
in an Atlantic City ***.

The penalty decision was a little unjust, but that's football. England
fans still have to live will the cheating antics of Maradonna in Mexico.
Granted the second goal was genius, but that might never have come about
if he hadn't acted unfairly earlier.

Would we turn down a penalty if sicknote managed to flick a ball at
someone's hand? I don't think so ;-). But I am glad to say that our
players don't try to immitate Greg Louganis.

I remember watching Ardilles at Tottenham. An admirable player, but an
embaras***t everytime he approached the penality box. Players knew he
would dive, and probably gave him a little more room -- or made sure
that they hit him for real earlier. In such situations he was adept at
riding the tackles, skipping around players and generally staying on his
feet.

Anyone who try's for a penalty should be sent to the shower; including
aiming at hands.

http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Hilto » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Mostly that the people behind the Simpsons know nothing about soccer. I recall
one episode where they made fun of a soccer game coming to Springfield, that
all the players were foreigners with odd-sounding names, that the game was
boring, and I believe it ended in a riot in the stands from the boredom.

Chris Hilton

Quote:


> > >  I agree with the English commentetors when the said the game will lose
> as
> > > many new fans as they gain during the World Cup with all this silly
> acting.
> > > Carl Anderson
> > > Richmond B.C.
> > > Can.

> > All the rest of the world should take a leaf out British teams play - we
> > never dive as it is bad sportmanship.  It is cheating - plain and
> > simple.

> Unfortunately that's no longer true. In order to compete in Europe,  this
> side of the game has to be incorporated. It's very sad but in Europe the
> southern end of the continent has dragged the game right down.

> They have made our game a laughing stock, there is one episode
> of the Simpsons where they refer to "The Pele Soccer and Acting
> Summer Camp".

> What does that tell you?

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Hilto » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

While I agree that diving and acting detract from the game, sending players
off with red cards seems like overkill as a solution. Maybe there should be
'orange cards' where the player is sent off the field and can't continue the
game, but a new player can come on as a substitution. Maybe the player
should miss the next game, maybe not.

I know no one will like this solution, so don't bother flaming me. :)

Chris Hilton

Quote:


> > IF everybody plays correctly then you have a level playing field.
> > Referees
> > would then not have to make a judgement and genuinely hurt players
> > would not be ignored. Soon as you start that junk the whole thing is
> > heading downhill and gathering speed. Fakers should be sent off,
> > because
> > they are plain and simple cheats embarassing the game, there is
> > no valid argument for acting.

> Let us not forget Zola against England. He even admitted after the match
> that he dived.

> Players in real pain roll around even more than the tricksters to try
> and say, I really am in pain. Then after they get a hand job from their
> *friendly* physio, they're up and score a goal.

> It's all a joke, although I think the referees have done a good job to
> date in letting the games flow and not dealing out cards as if they were
> in an Atlantic City ***.

> The penalty decision was a little unjust, but that's football. England
> fans still have to live will the cheating antics of Maradonna in Mexico.
> Granted the second goal was genius, but that might never have come about
> if he hadn't acted unfairly earlier.

> Would we turn down a penalty if sicknote managed to flick a ball at
> someone's hand? I don't think so ;-). But I am glad to say that our
> players don't try to immitate Greg Louganis.

> I remember watching Ardilles at Tottenham. An admirable player, but an
> embaras***t everytime he approached the penality box. Players knew he
> would dive, and probably gave him a little more room -- or made sure
> that they hit him for real earlier. In such situations he was adept at
> riding the tackles, skipping around players and generally staying on his
> feet.

> Anyone who try's for a penalty should be sent to the shower; including
> aiming at hands.

> http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

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Post by grape » Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:00:00

being a footballer myself, the bottom line is self respect. i do not
take fake dives simply because i would not respect whatever achievements
it might produce, including an easy point. im a firm believer in working
hard for my goals, and the rest of the football world needs to do the
same.

grapes