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Qhen Quinn doesn't ask for a penalty we say he's a true sportman.
When Tommasi doesn't protest, it's because it was offside.
THAT makes really sense.

Goldmund -
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That's true, it was after the defender touched the ball. Anyway it was
*BEFORE* he began to fall.
It wasn't penalty, in my opinion, although we've seen worse penalties
awarded.
The point is it was not a dive. Have you ever played football? Do you
know sometimes you simply fall (especially when touched...), it's not
foul still you are not pretending?
That's all. It's not just because Totti is a (supposed) diver - and it's
not one of the worst... - you have always to think he's faking!
Here, someone implies Totti has not been touched; it isn't so. Period.

Anyway, in other cases you could also give a penalty even if the
defender touches the ball. Just think of a tackle in which a foot hits
the ball and the other hits the ankle. That's not the real point. (But
don't let me be misunderstood: that was not penalty)

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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:10:09 +0000 (UTC), "Andrea De Vecchi"

Yes in the first case, no to the second. He started his dive first,
knowing there'd be contact later.

Gotta admit, I've never just fallen over. Sounds like a dangerous
ailment to suffer from when playing football. A 1-on-1 breakaway and
whoops, you simply fall. Could end up costing games.

David.
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Vieri pushed off anyway... should have been whistled for offensive foul
(Stuermerfoul in German... they try to see and whistle these in the
Bundesliga...  had that happened in a league match here it would have
definitely been whistled).

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You lie. Or you'd better stop playing against children.

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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:45:52 +0000 (UTC), "Andrea De Vecchi"

No, there's always been contact when I've fallen over. I've never gone
merrily on my way and whoops, over I go. Know why? Because that's
called diving.

David.
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So, what I was tlking about? I told you Totti was touched.
If you aren't aware of this, buy yourself a pair of glasses.
Else, if you want to open your mouth without reason, please keep on
talking this crap...

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Of course, calling a penalty is a lot easier than reversing an
offside call.

Dan.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:53:17 +0000 (UTC), "Andrea De Vecchi"

Yes, *after* he started falling.

David.
I know, Totti, dive, I'm shocked and appaled.
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:14:33 +0000 (UTC), "Andrea De Vecchi"

Right, nobody is denying this, but what you're omitting is the fact
that the ball was tapped away before Totti started falling.  The ball
was tapped away when the Korean defender slid to get to the ball.
Then the incidental contact took place, mostly between Totti's left
leg and the Korean defender's right leg.

Whether Totti decided to fall after he saw the being tapped away or
whether he decided to fall before to induce a PK is something we'll
never know.

But it's rather transparent when someone never mentions the fact that
the ball was tapped way in the tackle.  Read the rule book.

Right, but the keeper already had stopped his actions when he heard
the whistle go off, but Tommasi continued on with his.  It's pretty
easy to get away from a goalie that's just standing there, woulnd't
you think?

BTW, Tommasi just jogged away with a sheepish grin on his face when
that offisde was called.  If he believed that he was completely
onside, just as much as most of the people in here do, then why no
reaction of vehement protest at all?

I'm still wondering about that.

When was the last time that you saw a ref reversing his decision about
a penalty after a player complained?

Goldmund -
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