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by **Lee Harri** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:50:22

What was so bad about the referee?

4 players each yellow carded
Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he has no
option
offside was close, but not the refs call
fouls given both ways
shirt pull for pen was clear, vieri scored so his shirt pulled didnt matter

i think the only thing i saw that didnt seem right was the korean guy
elbowing del piero when the ball was dead.

i guess i was so wrapped up in the match i didnt take so much notice of the
ref, other than his comedy expressions!!!!

also, since i was neutral i didnt worry too much about things

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by **Joseph W. Murp** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:12:50

Quote:

>What was so bad about the referee?

>4 players each yellow carded
>Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he has no
>option
>offside was close, but not the refs call
>fouls given both ways
>shirt pull for pen was clear, vieri scored so his shirt pulled didnt matter

>i think the only thing i saw that didnt seem right was the korean guy
>elbowing del piero when the ball was dead.

>i guess i was so wrapped up in the match i didnt take so much notice of the
>ref, other than his comedy expressions!!!!

>also, since i was neutral i didnt worry too much about things

I generally feel the same way. I thought Totti should have been given
the benefit of the doubt though. The way I saw it, the Korean
defender won the ball cleanly and his foot touched Totti's ankle (I
think it was). That may or may not have tripped him up. One thing's
for sure, Totti wasn't intentionally taken down. He may or may not
have dived. Under the circumstances (close game, extra period, World
Cup), the ref should have just called play on. Of course, then Italy
would be ***ing about a missed penalty call.

If Italy had been called every time they grabbed a shirt or threw an
elbow on a header, they would have had a lot more players sent off.

Get over it, Italy! All the post-game whining cheapens their effort
in the penalty period -- which I thought was generally commendable.

Joe Murphy

by **el corazon ardient** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:01:59

"Lee Harris"
: What was so bad about the referee?

To listen to the howls of outrage, the ref somehow "gave" the game to Korea.

Horse pucky.

I think some people just can't accept that Vieri blew it, the defense couldn't
hold the Koreans back, and that Italy is to blame for its own demise.

RstJ
it's like their fans are in total denial. sad.

by **Lee Harri** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:05:48

Quote:

> >What was so bad about the referee?

> >4 players each yellow carded
> >Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he has
no
> >option
> >offside was close, but not the refs call
> >fouls given both ways
> >shirt pull for pen was clear, vieri scored so his shirt pulled didnt
matter

> >i think the only thing i saw that didnt seem right was the korean guy
> >elbowing del piero when the ball was dead.

> >i guess i was so wrapped up in the match i didnt take so much notice of
the
> >ref, other than his comedy expressions!!!!

> >also, since i was neutral i didnt worry too much about things

> I generally feel the same way. I thought Totti should have been given
> the benefit of the doubt though. The way I saw it, the Korean
> defender won the ball cleanly and his foot touched Totti's ankle (I
> think it was). That may or may not have tripped him up. One thing's
> for sure, Totti wasn't intentionally taken down. He may or may not
> have dived. Under the circumstances (close game, extra period, World
> Cup), the ref should have just called play on. Of course, then Italy
> would be ***ing about a missed penalty call.

> If Italy had been called every time they grabbed a shirt or threw an
> elbow on a header, they would have had a lot more players sent off.

> Get over it, Italy! All the post-game whining cheapens their effort
> in the penalty period -- which I thought was generally commendable.

> Joe Murphy

I felt the offside was close, and unfortunate that its happened 4 times, but
that happens to all teams a lot more than you think, the red card maybe was
harsh but would it have changed anything?

I think Italy was unlucky, even if it made many problems itself, and Korea
showed great balls to keep at it after missing the early pen and going 1-0
down,

but I just wondered if there were other incidents I had missed with the ref
that really caused the result.

I mean, shit, Vieri, how did he miss that !!!!!

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by **Philip Lennox Beine** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:24:31

Quote:

>What was so bad about the referee?

>4 players each yellow carded
>Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he has no
>option
>offside was close, but not the refs call
>fouls given both ways
>shirt pull for pen was clear, vieri scored so his shirt pulled didnt matter

Agreed ... the ref did a pretty good job in a difficult situation.
As a US supporter, three of our four games have been dramatically
affected by clear officiating mistakes, one by a transparently
biased referee. It happens. The Italy-Korea game was tame by
comparison.

P
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by **Goldmu** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:32:23

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:50:22 +0100, "Lee Harris"

Quote:

>What was so bad about the referee?

>4 players each yellow carded
>Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he has no
>option

We all agree it was a 50/50 pk, not a 50/50 dive.

Quote:

>offside was close, but not the refs call
>fouls given both ways

No, this is the main thing. Because it's not a bad refereeing on big
episodes, like Belgium-Brasil goal.
It was a bad direction, check again the way similar fouls were
whistled by the ref.

Quote:

>shirt pull for pen was clear, vieri scored so his shirt pulled didnt matter

Frotunately. Or not, I'd be curious to see it.

Quote:

>i think the only thing i saw that didnt seem right was the korean guy
>elbowing del piero when the ball was dead.

That too.

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on Usenet since 1997

by **Lee Harri** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 06:46:34

Quote:

> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:50:22 +0100, "Lee Harris"

> >What was so bad about the referee?

> >4 players each yellow carded
> >Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he has
no
> >option

> We all agree it was a 50/50 pk, not a 50/50 dive.

are you having a laugh? it was 0 penalty 0% ZERO
I watched it about a hundred times on video now
it is NEVER a penalty in a million years

Quote:

> >offside was close, but not the refs call
> >fouls given both ways

> No, this is the main thing. Because it's not a bad refereeing on big
> episodes, like Belgium-Brasil goal.
> It was a bad direction, check again the way similar fouls were
> whistled by the ref.

the teams stopped on the whistle BEFORE tommassi got the ball
so no goal was scored, we will never know what happened if the players
carried on, the keeper was right there and may have saved.

Quote:

> >shirt pull for pen was clear, vieri scored so his shirt pulled didnt
matter

> Frotunately. Or not, I'd be curious to see it.

> >i think the only thing i saw that didnt seem right was the korean guy
> >elbowing del piero when the ball was dead.

> That too.

but Del Piero kicked the Korean first it seems (by watching the tape)

Quote:

> Goldmund -
> on Usenet since 1997

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by **Daniel Baers** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 06:58:11

Quote:

> I felt the offside was close,

It wasn't close at all! In fact Tommasi was definately ONSIDE.

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by **David Tiemrot** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:48:38

Quote:

>On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:50:22 +0100, "Lee Harris"

>>What was so bad about the referee?

>>4 players each yellow carded
>>Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he has no
>>option

>We all agree it was a 50/50 pk, not a 50/50 dive.

It was never a penalty. Totally clean tackle, came in, got nothing but
the ball, and then Totti ran into him.

David.
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by **Christian Girar** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:10:57

Quote:

> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:50:22 +0100, "Lee Harris"

>>What was so bad about the referee?

>>4 players each yellow carded
>>Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he
>>has no option

> We all agree it was a 50/50 pk, not a 50/50 dive.

Er, no, we don't. 50/50 dive, but 0% pk. The defender clearly got to
the ball before any contact with Totti.

Quote:

>>i think the only thing i saw that didnt seem right was the korean guy
>>elbowing del piero when the ball was dead.

> That too.

That was a little curious, although I only saw the incident on one
replay. At least Del Piero didn't go down in a screaming heap, clutching
his face or ***s as if hit by a bus.

Christian.

by **Steve K. Le** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:38:18

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:58:11 +0000 (UTC), "Daniel Baerst"

Quote:

>> I felt the offside was close,

>It wasn't close at all! In fact Tommasi was definately ONSIDE.

Yeah, that's why Tomassi protested so vehemently. Right, you make
sense.

by **Steve K. Le** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:40:25

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:10:57 +1000, "Christian Girard"

Quote:

>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:50:22 +0100, "Lee Harris"

>>>What was so bad about the referee?

>>>4 players each yellow carded
>>>Totti sent off, but we all agree its a 50/50 and if ref sees dive, he
>>>has no option

>> We all agree it was a 50/50 pk, not a 50/50 dive.

>Er, no, we don't. 50/50 dive, but 0% pk. The defender clearly got to
>the ball before any contact with Totti.

Exactly. I love it when the rule changes all of a sudden for some
people to make their case. The defender tipped the ball away, then
the incidental contact took place. It's not like the defender didn't
even have a chance at the ball and didn't even make contact and just
went for Totti's legs.

by **Goldmu** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:05:56

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:46:34 +0100, "Lee Harris"

Quote:

>> We all agree it was a 50/50 pk, not a 50/50 dive.

>are you having a laugh? it was 0 penalty 0% ZERO
>I watched it about a hundred times on video now
>it is NEVER a penalty in a million years

I'd agree if I hadn't seen worse penalties.
anyway you all take note that I complained for the yellow, not for the
pk.

Quote:

>> No, this is the main thing. Because it's not a bad refereeing on big
>> episodes, like Belgium-Brasil goal.
>> It was a bad direction, check again the way similar fouls were
>> whistled by the ref.

>the teams stopped on the whistle BEFORE tommassi got the ball
>so no goal was scored, we will never know what happened if the players
>carried on, the keeper was right there and may have saved.

Yes, as we never know if the brasilian keeper would have caught the
ball after Wilmots' header, since the whistle was before the ball
entered the net.
Personally I don't doubt it would have been a goal.

Quote:

>> That too.

>but Del Piero kicked the Korean first it seems (by watching the tape)

But NEVER a reaction foul can be forgiven that way.
Also considering how much Moreno whistled before.

Goldmund -
on Usenet since 1997

by **Andrea De Vecch** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:14:33

Quote:

> are you having a laugh? it was 0 penalty 0% ZERO
> I watched it about a hundred times on video now
> it is NEVER a penalty in a million years

Then maybe you should consider changing your video, lad.
The Korean defender touched Totti's leg, even I admit a penalty would
have never been given ('twas extratime...). The contact wasn't hard
enough to give a penalty but Totti didn't dive.
By the way, have you ever touched a football, in your life? I do not
think so, reading your posts.

Quote:

> the teams stopped on the whistle BEFORE tommassi got the ball
> so no goal was scored, we will never know what happened if the players
> carried on, the keeper was right there and may have saved.

Same comment as before: change your video. The goalkeeper was not there,
definitely.

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by **David Tiemrot** » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:52:59

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:14:33 +0000 (UTC), "Andrea De Vecchi"

Quote:

>> are you having a laugh? it was 0 penalty 0% ZERO
>> I watched it about a hundred times on video now
>> it is NEVER a penalty in a million years

>Then maybe you should consider changing your video, lad.
>The Korean defender touched Totti's leg,

Before or after the defender touched the ball?

Next question, before or after Totti started his fall?

David.
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