Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Sam Placanic » Wed, 20 Jul 1994 05:45:01


A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
approach?  Thanks for any responses.

Sam Placanica
NASA/GSFC
Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

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Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Choon G » Wed, 20 Jul 1994 09:47:49


Quote:

> A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
> his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
> kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
> notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
> maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
> approach?  Thanks for any responses.

There is no mention in the FIFA Rules about how the penalty taker must
approach the ball.

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Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Ehab Amin Mesel » Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:02:32


|> A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
|> his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
|> kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
|> notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
|> maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
|> approach?  Thanks for any responses.
|>
|> Sam Placanica
|> NASA/GSFC
|> Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

|>
|> *** "I miss the montage style of editting."  ***

I taped the game and I saw Romario really doing it.
I think he continued moving, I think if he completely stopped than
it will not be a valid kick.
Can anyone tell me/us what are the rules in this case.

One more observation. That ABC guy said about Romario's shot "Romario barely
made it". Although in Nigeria-Italy game when Baggio scored similarly from
a penalty kick, the gue went crazy "It was Baggio's technique"  yeh right!
I'm so sick of double standard comments like this.

 
 
 

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Jose Vasconcel » Wed, 20 Jul 1994 15:46:14


Quote:
>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
>maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
>approach?  Thanks for any responses.
>Sam Placanica
>NASA/GSFC
>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

>*** "I miss the montage style of editting."  ***

        I also noticed the speed change.

        I never heard of any rules about your speed when taking a PK,
actually, the king Pele used to almost stop before kicking the ball, so
it was easier to know where the golkeeper is going to jump.

 Alex.

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Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Brian OReil » Thu, 21 Jul 1994 05:26:11


Quote:


>>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>>notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
>>maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
>>approach?  Thanks for any responses.

>>Sam Placanica
>>NASA/GSFC
>>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA


I also noticed and thought that he almost stopped before striking the ball.
Since the rule for goalkeepers is that they must be on the line and
motionless when the ball is struck I would think that attempts by the players
to fake the keeper into early motion would be illegal. I remember a spanish
player (Quanito?) who used to switch his feet in mid run without slowing down,
but I thought he had to stop doing that (I think he played for Valencia). I
don't know if there is a specific rule though but like I said logically there
should be.
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Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Paolo Catas » Thu, 21 Jul 1994 00:36:44


Quote:
>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
>maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
>approach?  Thanks for any responses.

You cannot stop while you're approaching the ball. However
you can change speed.

Cheers,

Paolo Catasti

 
 
 

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Jim Taka » Thu, 21 Jul 1994 05:07:43


Quote:
>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
>maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
>approach?  Thanks for any responses.

>Sam Placanica
>NASA/GSFC
>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

>*** "I miss the montage style of editting."  ***

Are you trying to suggest that you can not accelerate as you approach the ball??  This would be impossible.

I believe the rule is that you must maintain a forward velocity, not a constant forward velocity.  I think
the intent is not to have player run up then nearly stop and faint a shot and rthen get the keeper offbalance
and then really shot.  Romario penalty kick was most certainly NOT illegal.

Jim Takats

 
 
 

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by ST.. » Thu, 21 Jul 1994 12:11:26


Quote:
>One more observation. That ABC guy said about Romario's shot "Romario barely
>made it". Although in Nigeria-Italy game when Baggio scored similarly from
>a penalty kick, the gue went crazy "It was Baggio's technique"  yeh right!
>I'm so sick of double standard comments like this.

The Nigeria/Italy game was shown on ESPN (in the US), so it was a different
commentator. So it's two guys with two different viewpoints. Why is this a
"double standard"?

Steve Turner

 
 
 

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Rene Zandberge » Thu, 21 Jul 1994 21:33:28



Quote:

>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>notice this?  ...

Yes, I did, and so did the German commentator. I guess most people
will have seen this. He actually stopped briefly and restarted.

Quote:
>         ...  Is there a rule which states that the player must
>maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
>approach?  Thanks for any responses.

I don't know the exact wording of the rule, but you cannot do that.
The penalty should have been retaken. I fail to understand why the
otherwise good referee (not great but better than most games)
let it go.
Not that it would have made any difference....
 
 
 

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Rob Lingelba » Thu, 21 Jul 1994 22:30:39



Quote:
>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>notice this?  

Yes, I was at the game, and I noticed it.  I would also like to know
if there is a rule regarding that....  To me, it looked like Romario
hesitated halfway to the ball, perhaps as a "fake" move.  

--Rob

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Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Miguel Sarmien » Thu, 21 Jul 1994 23:07:17



|>>
|>>>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
|>>>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
|>>>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
|>>>notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
|>>>maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
|>>>approach?  Thanks for any responses.
|>>
|>>>Sam Placanica
|>>>NASA/GSFC
|>>>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

|>
|>I also noticed and thought that he almost stopped before striking the ball.
|>Since the rule for goalkeepers is that they must be on the line and
|>motionless when the ball is struck I would think that attempts by the players
|>to fake the keeper into early motion would be illegal. I remember a spanish
|>player (Quanito?) who used to switch his feet in mid run without slowing down,
|>but I thought he had to stop doing that (I think he played for Valencia). I
|>don't know if there is a specific rule though but like I said logically there
|>should be.
|>--

Well all this is again another contribution of PELE, he would do a stutter step
and stop for a fraction before hitting the ball to see where the goalie would
go and then put the ball on the other side. This is now illegal a player taking
a penalty kick  should have one motion to the ball with no stopage or faking
of the goalie. This was known when it came out as the PELE rule. Romario
certainly came very close.

Miguel.  

 
 
 

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Danny Bers » Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:50:45


#]         ...  Is there a rule which states that the player must
#]maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
#]approach?  Thanks for any responses.
#]

No, there is no rule that would specifically require a player to maintain a
constant forward velocity during his penalty kick approach, only that the
ball must ve played forward and may not be played again by the kicker until
it has been played by someone else.  The referee _may_ require a penalty
kick to be re-taken if he deems the kicker guilty of ungentlemanly conduct
while the kick is being taken (DOB 4a).  Seems like quite a stretch in
Romario's case.  Besides, this is _real_ football; we don't sweat the
small stuff, and certainly don't recall a goal on a trifling point of
etiquette.  Let's leave that for the "hut-hut-smack" folks. :^)

The full text of Law XIV, Penalty Kicks, follows, so that you can
check it out for yourself.

Danny Bersch,
USSF Referee,/Referee Instructor
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From "FIFA _Laws_of_the_Game_"
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LAW XIV - Penalty-Kick

  A penalty kick shall be taken from the penalty-mark and, when
it is being taken, all players with the exception of the player
taking the kick, properly identified, and the opposing
goalkeeper, shall be within the field of play but outside the
penalty-area, and at least 10 yards from the penalty-mark. The
opposing goalkeeper must stand (without moving his feet) on his
own goal-line, between the goal-posts, until the ball is kicked.
The player taking the kick must kick the ball forward; he shall
not play the ball a second time until it has been touched or
played by another player. The ball shall be deemed in play
directly it is kicked, i.e. when it has travelled the distance of
its circumference. A goal may be scored directly from a
penalty-kick. When a penalty-kick is being taken during the
normal course of play, or when time has been extended at
half-time or full-time to allow a penalty- kick to be taken or
retaken, a goal shall not be nullified if, before passing between
the posts and under the cross-bar, the ball touches either or
both of the goal-posts, or the cross-bar, or the goal-keeper, or
any combination of these agencies, providing that no other
infringement has occurred.
Punishment
  For any infringement of this Law:
  (a) by the defending team, the kick shall be retaken if a goal
has not resulted.
  (b) by the attacking team other than by the player taking the
kick, if a goal is scored it shall be disallowed and the kick
retaken.
  (c) by the player taking the penalty-kick, committed after the
ball is in play, a player from the opposing team shall take an
indirect free-kick from the spot where the infringement occurred,
subject to the overriding conditions imposed in Law XIII.

DECISIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL F.A. BOARD

  (1) When the referee has awarded a penalty-kick, he shall not
signal for it to be taken, until the players have taken up
position in accordance with the Law.
  (2)(a) If, after the kick has been taken, the ball is stopped
in its course towards goal, by an outside agent, the kick shall
be retaken.  
  (b) If, after the kick has been taken, the ball rebounds into
play, from the goalkeeper, the cross-bar or a goal-post, and then
is stopped in its course by an outside agent, the referee shall
stop play and restart it by dropping the ball at the place where
it came into contact with the outside agent...  
  (3)(a) If, after having given the signal for a penalty-kick to
be taken, the referee sees that the goalkeeper is not on his
right place on the goal-line, he shall, nevertheless, allow the
kick to proceed. It shall be retaken, if a goal is not scored.  
  (b) If, after the referee has given the signal for a
penalty-kick to be taken, and before the ball has been kicked,
the goal-keeper moves his feet, the referee shall, nevertheless,
allow the kick to proceed. It shall be retaken, if a goal is not
scored.
  (c) If, after the referee has given the signal for a
penalty-kick to be taken, and before the ball is in play, a
player of the defending team encroaches into the penalty-area, or
within ten yards of the penalty-mark, the referee shall,
nevertheless, allow the kick to proceed. It shall be retaken, if
a goal is not scored.
    The player concerned shall be cautioned.
  (4)(a) If, when a penalty kick is being taken, the player
taking the kick is guilty of ungentlemanly conduct, the kick, if
already taken, shall be retaken, if a goal is scored.
    The player concerned shall be cautioned.
  (b) If, after the referee has given the signal for a
penalty-kick to be taken, and before the ball is in play, a
colleague of the player taking the kick encroaches into the
penalty-area, or within ten yards of the penalty-mark, the
referee shall, nevertheless, allow the kick to proceed. If a goal
is scored, it shall be disallowed, and the kick retaken.
    The player concerned shall be cautioned.
  (c) If, in the circumstances described in the foregoing
paragraph, the ball rebounds into play from the goalkeeper, the
cross-bar or goal-post, and a goal has not been scored, the
referee shall stop the game, caution the player and award an
indirect free kick to the opposing team from the place where the
infringement occurred, subject to the overriding conditions
imposed in Law XIII.  
  (5)(a) If, after the referee has given the signal for a penalty
kick to be taken, and before the ball is in play, the goalkeeper
moves from his position on the goal- line, or moves his feet, and
a colleague of the kicker encroaches onto the penalty area or
within 10 yards of the penalty mark, the kick, if taken, shall be
retaken.
    The colleague of the kicker shall be cautioned.
  (b) If, after the referee has given the signal for a
penalty-kick to be taken, and before the ball is in play, a
player of each team encroaches onto the penalty-area, or within
10 yards of the penalty-mark, the kick, if taken shall be
retaken.
    The players concerned shall be cautioned.
  (6) When a match is extended, at half-time or full-time, to
allow a penalty-kick to be taken, the extension shall last until
the moment that the penalty-kick has been completed, i.e. until
the referee has decided whether or not a goal is scored, and the
game shall terminate immediately the referee has decided whether
or not a goal is scored, and the game shall terminate immediately
the referee has made his decision.   After the player taking the
penalty-kick has put the ball into play, no other player other
than the defending goal-keeper may play or touch the ball before
the kick is completed.
  (7) When a penalty-kick is being taken in extended time:
  (a) the provisions of all the foregoing paragraphs, except
(2)(b) and (4)(c) shall apply in the usual way, and   (b) in the
circumstances described in paragraphs (2)(b) and (4)(c) the game
shall terminate immediately the ball rebounds from the
goalkeeper, the cross-bar or the goal-post.

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Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Robert Altiz » Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:09:33

Quote:

>>>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>>>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>>>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>>>notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
>>>maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
>>>approach?  Thanks for any responses.

There is no "rule" or citation in the Laws of the Game (probably Law XIV,
Penalty-Kicks) that covers this situation, but referees are instructed
to treat a feint while taking a PK as misconduct.  Socrates (also from
Brazil) was famous for doing this.  A player doing it should be cautioned,
and the PK retaken if it is made.  If it is missed, caution and restart
as called for.

As for Romario's change-of-pace, it had little if any effect on Pagiliuca,
and so could be overlooked (as was every keeper coming off the line
slightly early) as a doubtful or trifiling infringement of the Laws,
as called for in Law V, IBD 8.

Regards,
Bob

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Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Marcelo J. Torr » Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:06:20


Quote:



>>A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
>>his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
>>kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
>>notice this?  

>Yes, I was at the game, and I noticed it.  I would also like to know
>if there is a rule regarding that....  To me, it looked like Romario
>hesitated halfway to the ball, perhaps as a "fake" move.  

There is a rule against a player "hesitating" as he runs toward the
ball on a penalty kick.  It is considered "unsportsmanlike conduct".
The commentary from Univision indicated that Romario was in the right
in doing this because Pagliuca had already moved.  There has been
speculation that Romario realized Pagliuca had guessed the direction
he would be kicking in and made an impromptu change in plan.

I've also been surprised that no discussion has taken place on how
blatantly keepers ignored the rule forbidding the movement feet
before a PK is taken.  I know that this rule hasn't ever been followed
to a tee, but this was ridiculous.

Cheers,

Marcelo.  

 
 
 

Question about Romario's Penalty Kick

Post by Rainer Fre » Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:41:37


|> A co-worker of mine noticed that Romario momentarily changed
|> his forward velocity as he approached the ball during his penalty
|> kick (which deflected off a goal post for a score).  Did anyone else
|> notice this?  Is there a rule which states that the player must
|> maintain a constant forward velocity during his penalty kick
|> approach?  Thanks for any responses.
|>
|> Sam Placanica
|> NASA/GSFC
|> Greenbelt, Maryland, USA

|>
|> *** "I miss the montage style of editting."  ***

It's stated in the rules that the player may not stop during his penalty kick.
So (purely seen) Romario's penalty was not legal.

        Rainer

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