Arsenal's squad is threadbare- so why is Wenger so transfer market-phobic?

Arsenal's squad is threadbare- so why is Wenger so transfer market-phobic?

Post by Rens » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 05:38:17


By most accounts, this is a squad that needs a new addition in
virtually every area of the pitch. The erratic Jens Lehnmann was
probably lucky to avoid the chop after the unbeaten season following a
few poor displays in the CL, and last season he was even more error
prone- so how come Wenger is so keen to persist with him for a third
season in a row? Although others may disagree, Lauren is too casual
IMO, and probably needs replacing, although the alternative would be to
switch Toure to right-back and by a new central defender, as Senderos,
like Fabregas, is too inexperienced to be relied upon week-after-week.
Yep, Arsenal definitely need another defender. Even worse is the
situation in midfield- they've lost both Edu and Viera and brought in
only Hleb, who is unlikely to be as good as Patrick, which leaves a
very lightweight partnership in the form of Fabregas and Gilberto. Of
course, they may be planning to play Hleb in CM, but who knows. Henry
has been carrying the burden up front for much too long now, so another
proven strike partner for him is a must, especially since Reyes
transpired to be a poor player and Van Persie is another talented but
unproven youngster. Anyway, it's pretty much same old story when it
comes to Arsenal in the transfer market- the last two summers they
didn't really make any major signings, but I do think they've got a bit
more money then they make out, although Ashburton Grove is obviously a
big drain. I just feel that some more additions are a must to challenge
Chelsea next season.
 
 
 

Arsenal's squad is threadbare- so why is Wenger so transfer market-phobic?

Post by Google Beta Use » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:01:57

Arsenal have good babies, one of the best U-23 group in Europe IMO.

 
 
 

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Post by Rens » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:05:11

Quote:

> Arsenal have good babies, one of the best U-23 group in Europe IMO.

Agreed, but only proven experience will seriously challenge Chelsea
this season. Players like Fabregas, Senderos and Van Persie have got a
long way to go yet.

 
 
 

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Post by Benn » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:33:26

Quote:
> Subject : Arsenal's squad is threadbare- so why is Wenger so transfer
> market-phobic?

>Arsenal have good babies, one of the best U-23 group in Europe IMO.

Absolute rubbish. What is this based on and who are these great kids?
After a couple of FA Cup ties everyone gets carried away. Senderos and
Fabregas are great prospects, none of these other so called great kids
are close to being ready.

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Post by wanyik.. » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:25:58

<< Senderos and Fabregas are great prospects, none of these other so
called great kids
are close to being ready. >>

Flamini, Van Perise and Clichy are good.

Misguided or not, the fact that many Arsenal fans actually wanted Cole
to go so that Clichy could start says something.

 
 
 

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Post by data6 » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:00:17


Quote:
> . Henry
> has been carrying the burden up front for much too long now, so another
> proven strike partner for him is a must,

Maybe they will go after M Owen.

data64

 
 
 

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Post by Benn » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:16:42

Quote:
> Subject : Arsenal's squad is threadbare- so why is Wenger so transfer
> market-phobic?

><< Senderos and Fabregas are great prospects, none of these other so
>called great kids
>are close to being ready. >>

>Flamini, Van Perise and Clichy are good.

Flamini is 21, Clichy is 20. They are both decent players, nothing more.
Clichy especially hasn't really shown any improvement since last season.
Van Persie is 22 next month and has been playing professionally for
3 years, he is no secret to anyone who follows the game. Kids?
I consider players in their ***s kids.

One of the best U23 groups in Europe? That's a joke. Rooney is 19,
Ronaldo is 20. No only are both guaranteed starters at club and
international level both also have a legit claim to be their teams best
player at international level. None of Arsenal's kids are even
international class or guaranteed starters and are no better than say
Man United's Richardson (20) and Fletcher (21).

Quote:
>Misguided or not, the fact that many Arsenal fans actually wanted Cole
>to go so that Clichy could start says something.

It says they are immeasurably stupid. Cole might be a *** but he's
also World Class. Players of that calibre don't grow on trees.

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Post by Robert Moi » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:30:07

[lots of snips]

Quote:
>, but I do
> think they've got a bit more money then they make out, although
> Ashburton Grove is obviously a big drain. I just feel that some more
> additions are a must to challenge Chelsea next season.

So, should AW buy the players he thinks he needs as and when they become
available. Or should be be out there looking to buy "someone, it doesn't
matter who really" in order to appease fans who know far less about managing
a team than he does?
 
 
 

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Post by Benn » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:24:25

Quote:
> Subject : Arsenal's squad is threadbare- so why is Wenger so transfer
market-phobic?

>By most accounts, this is a squad that needs a new addition in
>virtually every area of the pitch. The erratic Jens Lehnmann was
>probably lucky to avoid the chop after the unbeaten season following a
>few poor displays in the CL, and last season he was even more error
>prone- so how come Wenger is so keen to persist with him for a third
>season in a row?

Because he's too stubborn to admit he made a mistake in signing him in
the first place.

Quote:
> Although others may disagree, Lauren is too casual
>IMO, and probably needs replacing, although the alternative would be to
>switch Toure to right-back and by a new central defender, as Senderos,
>like Fabregas, is too inexperienced to be relied upon week-after-week.

Lauren is ok. The main problem is lack of cover in central defence.

Quote:
>Yep, Arsenal definitely need another defender. Even worse is the
>situation in midfield- they've lost both Edu and Viera and brought in
>only Hleb, who is unlikely to be as good as Patrick, which leaves a
>very lightweight partnership in the form of Fabregas and Gilberto. Of

Gilberto isn't lightweight, he's a big, powerful midfielder. He lacks
Vieira's range of passing but is more of a goal threat. Fabregas is
lightweight. Bouba Diop would be the ideal partner for Gilberto Silva.

Quote:
>course, they may be planning to play Hleb in CM, but who knows. Henry
>has been carrying the burden up front for much too long now, so another
>proven strike partner for him is a must, especially since Reyes
>transpired to be a poor player and Van Persie is another talented but
>unproven youngster. Anyway, it's pretty much same old story when it

Reyes isn't poor, his form has dropped considerably since the Aragones
business and since his girlfriend got homesick.

Quote:
>comes to Arsenal in the transfer market- the last two summers they
>didn't really make any major signings, but I do think they've got a bit
>more money then they make out, although Ashburton Grove is obviously a
>big drain. I just feel that some more additions are a must to challenge
>Chelsea next season.

Wenger isn't the genius people make him out to be. Tactically he's
extremely limited and he's obsessed with players who have pace and can
dribble. The team needs more variation and a World Class centre forward.

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Post by RED DEVI » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:10:10

On 22 Jul 2005 14:01:57 -0700, "Google Beta User"

Quote:

>Arsenal have good babies, one of the best U-23 group in Europe IMO.

Why do you think this?

They didn't do well in the Youth cup and when their "babies" played
Manchester United 's "babies" they were defeated.
   Fabragas is real class but still needs some time, van Persie is
talented but a nutcase, Clichy is indeed an excellent prospect. Who
are these other "babies" that you think are the best in Europe?

 
 
 

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Post by RED DEVI » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:12:59

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:30:07 GMT, "Robert Moir"

Quote:


>[lots of snips]
>>, but I do
>> think they've got a bit more money then they make out, although
>> Ashburton Grove is obviously a big drain. I just feel that some more
>> additions are a must to challenge Chelsea next season.

>So, should AW buy the players he thinks he needs as and when they become
>available. Or should be be out there looking to buy "someone, it doesn't
>matter who really" in order to appease fans who know far less about managing
>a team than he does?

He may well have some restraints on funds available, but who knows he
may well get a couple of players before the window closes. You had
better hope he does!
 
 
 

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Post by ruud » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:04:56

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:01:24 GMT, Robbie

Quote:


>graces us with a reply...
>> By most accounts, this is a squad that needs a new addition in
>> virtually every area of the pitch.

>Good strategists in football look at more than the season ahead. Fact is
>Wenger has a very tight budget and thus rather than the club seriously making
>sure they win the league each year, they are more than happy to stay
>competitive.

>No team can compete with Chelsea at the moment on a financial basis let alone
>a club well in managed debt.

>While it's true that more players are needed, Arsenal fans know the
>situation.

yep very smart. Arsenal don't have the benefactor. They could do a
Leeds and try to compete but look where that gets you. Arsenal could
play champions league, fluke a couple of wins, maybe even win it once
and in 10 years time they'll still be competitive. Chelsea probably
won't.
 
 
 

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Post by mark » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:46:16

While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,

Quote:
> Gilberto isn't lightweight, he's a big, powerful midfielder. He lacks
> Vieira's range of passing but is more of a goal threat. Fabregas is
> lightweight. Bouba Diop would be the ideal partner for Gilberto Silva.

Don't you dare.  First van der Sar goes to ManU ...

--
"The [New York] Times is not a bad little newspaper in some ways. But
when it comes to things like egg balancing, it is out of its depth."
- Cecil Adams, /More of the Straight Dope/

 
 
 

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Post by Rens » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:40:59

Quote:


> [lots of snips]
> >, but I do
> > think they've got a bit more money then they make out, although
> > Ashburton Grove is obviously a big drain. I just feel that some more
> > additions are a must to challenge Chelsea next season.

> So, should AW buy the players he thinks he needs as and when they become
> available. Or should be be out there looking to buy "someone, it doesn't
> matter who really" in order to appease fans who know far less about managing
> a team than he does?

I'm not advocating buying for the sake of it- there is a real need to
do so. Or are you quite happy for Lehmann to remain in goal next
season, and for Henry to continue carrying such a heavy burden up
front? Obviously, Wenger knows much more about the availability of
players than I do, but previous summers indicate the same thing- that
Wenger is reluctant when it comes to new signings.

If Arsenal win the EPL next season he'll be vindicated. Otherwise,
questions will be asked once more.

 
 
 

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Post by Rens » Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:43:34

Quote:

> Lauren isn't a bad defender but offensively he is shite. Before you whine
> about defenders being defenders, Lauren seriously unbalances the team.

Agreed.