Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:48:27


Relatively original data
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Bordeaux didn't win the league in their two best seasons by goal difference:
Season    Level   Pos Pts Pld  W D L   F  A GD
1948/1949 Ligue 2   2  53  36 24 5 7 107 49 58
1965/1966 Ligue 1   2  53  38 22 9 7  84 36 48

Their longest better-and-better season streak:
1978 16th
1979 10th
1980  6th
1981  3rd
Two players who played for Bordeaux in all these seasons: Gernot Rohr and
Alain Giresse.

Selection from the web
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"Bordeaux captured its first-ever league championship, in just the club's
first season in the first division."

"The Derby de la Garonne [...] is a football match contested between French
clubs FC Girondins de Bordeaux and Toulouse FC. [...] Notable matches the
team[s] contested include a 3-1 victory for Toulouse on the final day of the
2006-07 season. The victory placed Toulouse in third place, which gave the
club a qualification spot in the following year's UEFA Champions League. The
following season, Bordeaux recorded a 4-3 victory over Toulouse at home.
Bordeaux initially took a 3-0 lead into halftime courtesy of two goals from
Wendel and one from Alou Diarra. However, in a span of 14 minutes in the
second half, striker Johan Elmander of Toulouse converted a hat trick to
even the match at 3-3. Four minutes from time, Wendel netted not only his
hat trick goal, but the game-winning goal. The match also was notable due in
part to referee Bertrand Layec issuing nine yellow cards."

Olympique Marseille is (according to Transfermarkt) both the club that
Bordeaux gives most players to and the club they receive most players from:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc-girondins-bordeaux/transfer-vere...
Notable Bordeaux->OM transfers: Giresse, Tigana
Notable OM->Bordeaux transfers: Allofs, Cantona, Deschamps, Dugarry, Tresor
By the way, OM and Bordeaux are the top two teams in the Ligue 1 all-time
table:
http://home.swipnet.se/clasglenning/Europe/1stlevel/France1.htm
OM is also the team against which Bordeaux lost most matches (tied to
Saint-Etienne), but their record is a tie: 42 wins each:
http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.club.bordeaux..23..en.html

Bordeaux' current best player is...
...Carrasso according to both Castrol Football and FTBL.com:
http://www.castrolfootball.com/rankings/rankings/?team=74&nation=&com...
http://www.ftbl.com/teams/teamsquad.aspx?teamid=300
...Sane according to WhoScored.com:
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/315

Bonus: the player with most aerial duels won per game in Ligue 1 are the
Sale brothers: Salif is first, Lamine second:
http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/74/Tournaments/22/Seasons/3356/Stage...
(Lamine is on top for home matches)

In Ligue 1 2012-13 so far Bordeaux is the team with:
- most cross per game in home matches
- the lowest percentage of attacks from the right side (overall, and in away
matches)
- the highest percentage of shots against from the left side in away matches
- the lowest percentage of shots against from the middle in away matches
- the lowest percentage of shots against in the 6 yards box in home matches
http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/74/Tournaments/22/Seasons/3356/Stage...

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by Mark » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 21:04:34


Quote:
> Relatively original data
> ------------------------

> Bordeaux didn't win the league in their two best seasons by goal difference:
> Season ? ?Level ? Pos Pts Pld ?W D L ? F ?A GD
> 1948/1949 Ligue 2 ? 2 ?53 ?36 24 5 7 107 49 58
> 1965/1966 Ligue 1 ? 2 ?53 ?38 22 9 7 ?84 36 48

> Their longest better-and-better season streak:
> 1978 16th
> 1979 10th
> 1980 ?6th
> 1981 ?3rd
> Two players who played for Bordeaux in all these seasons: Gernot Rohr and
> Alain Giresse.

> Selection from the web
> ----------------------

> "Bordeaux captured its first-ever league championship, in just the club's
> first season in the first division."

> "The Derby de la Garonne [...] is a football match contested between French
> clubs FC Girondins de Bordeaux and Toulouse FC. [...] Notable matches the
> team[s] contested include a 3-1 victory for Toulouse on the final day of the
> 2006-07 season. The victory placed Toulouse in third place, which gave the
> club a qualification spot in the following year's UEFA Champions League. The
> following season, Bordeaux recorded a 4-3 victory over Toulouse at home.
> Bordeaux initially took a 3-0 lead into halftime courtesy of two goals from
> Wendel and one from Alou Diarra. However, in a span of 14 minutes in the
> second half, striker Johan Elmander of Toulouse converted a hat trick to
> even the match at 3-3. Four minutes from time, Wendel netted not only his
> hat trick goal, but the game-winning goal. The match also was notable due in
> part to referee Bertrand Layec issuing nine yellow cards."

> Olympique Marseille is (according to Transfermarkt) both the club that
> Bordeaux gives most players to and the club they receive most players from:http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc-girondins-bordeaux/transfer-vere...
> Notable Bordeaux->OM transfers: Giresse, Tigana
> Notable OM->Bordeaux transfers: Allofs, Cantona, Deschamps, Dugarry, Tresor
> By the way, OM and Bordeaux are the top two teams in the Ligue 1 all-time
> table:http://home.swipnet.se/clasglenning/Europe/1stlevel/France1.htm
> OM is also the team against which Bordeaux lost most matches (tied to
> Saint-Etienne), but their record is a tie: 42 wins each:http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.club.bordeaux..23..en.html

> Bordeaux' current best player is...
> ...Carrasso according to both Castrol Football and FTBL.com:http://www.castrolfootball.com/rankings/rankings/?team=74&nation=&com...
> ...Sane according to WhoScored.com:http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/315

> Bonus: the player with most aerial duels won per game in Ligue 1 are the
> Sale brothers: Salif is first, Lamine second:http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/74/Tournaments/22/Seasons/3356/Stage...
> (Lamine is on top for home matches)

> In Ligue 1 2012-13 so far Bordeaux is the team with:
> - most cross per game in home matches
> - the lowest percentage of attacks from the right side (overall, and in away
> matches)
> - the highest percentage of shots against from the left side in away matches
> - the lowest percentage of shots against from the middle in away matches
> - the lowest percentage of shots against in the 6 yards box in home matcheshttp://www.whoscored.com/Regions/74/Tournaments/22/Seasons/3356/Stage...

> --
> Cheers
> milivella

 So which Bordeaux supporter have you been losing bets with, to
inspire this?

 
 
 

Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by ixion martin - GdB » Sun, 07 Apr 2013 07:06:43

Mark a exprim avec pr cision :

Quote:
>  So which Bordeaux supporter have you been losing bets with,
> to inspire this?

me ? :)

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by ixion martin - GdB » Sun, 07 Apr 2013 07:09:53

milivella a exprim avec prcision :

Quote:
> Olympique Marseille is (according to Transfermarkt) both the
> club that Bordeaux gives most players to and the club they
> receive most players from:
> http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc-girondins-bordeaux/transfer-vere...
> Notable Bordeaux->OM transfers: Giresse, Tigana
> Notable OM->Bordeaux transfers: Allofs, Cantona, Deschamps,
> Dugarry, Tresor
> By the way, OM and Bordeaux are the top two teams in the
> Ligue 1 all-time table:
> http://home.swipnet.se/clasglenning/Europe/1stlevel/France1.htm
> OM is also the team against which Bordeaux lost most matches
> (tied to Saint-Etienne), but their record is a tie: 42 wins

included tonight game ?

There a notable fact, too : Marseille didn't gain an away win
versus Bordeaux since 1977 !!! In all competition, including
League Cup ofr French Cup.

Even in the early 90's, when Marseille was one of the better
teams in Europe and Bordeaux was relegated to second division
one year Marseille never won in Bordeaux.

In last ten years, Bordeaux get the equalizer three times in
last five minutes, injury time included.

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by Jesper Lauridse » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 05:21:40


Quote:

>  So which Bordeaux supporter have you been losing bets with, to
> inspire this?

Kent Hedlundh hasn't been here in a decade, so probably not him.
 
 
 

Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:10:15

ixion martin - GdBx:

Quote:
> Mark a exprim avec prcision :

>>  So which Bordeaux supporter have you been losing bets with, to inspire
>> this?

> me ? :)

Yes! :)

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:16:20

ixion martin - GdBx:

Quote:
> milivella a exprim avec prcision :

>> Olympique Marseille is (according to Transfermarkt) both the club that
>> Bordeaux gives most players to and the club they receive most players
>> from:
>> http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc-girondins-bordeaux/transfer-vere...
>> Notable Bordeaux->OM transfers: Giresse, Tigana
>> Notable OM->Bordeaux transfers: Allofs, Cantona, Deschamps, Dugarry,
>> Tresor
>> By the way, OM and Bordeaux are the top two teams in the Ligue 1 all-time
>> table:
>> http://home.swipnet.se/clasglenning/Europe/1stlevel/France1.htm
>> OM is also the team against which Bordeaux lost most matches (tied to
>> Saint-Etienne), but their record is a tie: 42 wins

> included tonight game ?

No, it's now 42-43. :( I swear I didn't jinx it though: it looks like I
started searching for Bordeaux-related facts just after the end of the match
(a match I was unaware of, BTW!).

Quote:
> There a notable fact, too : Marseille didn't gain an away win versus
> Bordeaux since 1977 !!! In all competition, including League Cup ofr
> French Cup.

> Even in the early 90's, when Marseille was one of the better teams in
> Europe and Bordeaux was relegated to second division one year Marseille
> never won in Bordeaux.

> In last ten years, Bordeaux get the equalizer three times in last five
> minutes, injury time included.

Thanks, this is easily the best trivia of the thread.

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Tue, 09 Apr 2013 05:53:00

An all-Time French Bordeaux XI (4-5-1):

GK Pierre Bernard
RD Patrick Battiston
CD Marius Tresor
CD Alain Roche
LD Bixente Lizarazu
RW Sylvain Wiltord
CM Jean Tigana
AM Alain Giresse
AM Zinedine Zidane
LW Laurent Robuschi
ST Bernard Lacombe

How did I created it? First I computed the players' ratings. The rating of a
player was determined using a very simple formula:
Fantasy Score score * Bordeaux appearances
FS score (= caps + international goals) should correlate with a player's
quality, while Bordeaux appearances should tell how relevant the player was
for the club's story. NTs play more matches lately, so recent players
dominate the list: the score should be adjusted by year. I hope I didn't
mess the data (taken mainly from Wikipedia). Here are all the ratings:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgU9XwgMT4SkdHJNc3dkVFRi...
As you see, I only considered players with 20 or more caps (another bad
limitation!).

Then I tried to put the best players in a formation that would be not too
unrealistic today. Not having a left winger, I included Robuschi... since he
has 200 appearances for Bordeaux.

Compare my XI with the following Bordeaux all-time squads:

http://pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?f=429&t=22290
(Bernard, Wiltord and Robuschi aren't there)

http://pcsd.forumfree.it/?t=59312864
(Bernard, Tresor, Roche and Wiltord are among the reserves)

...and with the following list of Bordeaux great players:
http://www.pari-et-gagne.com/joueurclub/joueurclub-bordeaux.html
You can find the same list, but sorted by Ligue 1 appearances, here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgU9XwgMT4SkdGNSbkhPdGd5...

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by ixion martin - GdB » Wed, 10 Apr 2013 05:37:01

milivella avait soumis l'id e :

Quote:
> An all-Time French Bordeaux XI (4-5-1):

> GK Pierre Bernard
> LW Laurent Robuschi

Who are these guys ?
In goalkeeper, we off course have Ulrich Ram or Dominique
Dropsy...
We may say Carrasso but he's actually the actual-time Bordeaux
II (0-1-0 in term of real footballers).

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:30:48

ixion martin - GdBx:

Quote:
> milivella avait soumis l'id e :
>> An all-Time French Bordeaux XI (4-5-1):

>> GK Pierre Bernard
>> LW Laurent Robuschi

> Who are these guys ?

Who would you have at left winger?

Quote:
> In goalkeeper, we off course have Ulrich Ram or Dominique Dropsy...

This shows that I should have dug for more data, not that the scoring method
was wrong. :)
Rame    = 12 * 402 = 4,824
Dropsy  = 17 * 186 = 3,162
Bernard = 21 *  91 = 1,911

Quote:
> We may say Carrasso but he's actually the actual-time Bordeaux II (0-1-0
> in term of real footballers).

The "1" being... Plasil?

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by ixion martin - GdB » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:47:42

milivella avait crit le 09/04/2013 :

Quote:
> ixion martin - GdBx:

>> milivella avait soumis l'id e :
>>> An all-Time French Bordeaux XI (4-5-1):

>>> GK Pierre Bernard
>>> LW Laurent Robuschi

>> Who are these guys ?

> Who would you have at left winger?

Dugarry ?
It was not his favourite position but was left winger in French
national team.

Quote:
>> In goalkeeper, we off course have Ulrich Ram or Dominique
>> Dropsy...

> This shows that I should have dug for more data, not that the
> scoring method was wrong. :)
> Rame    = 12 * 402 = 4,824
> Dropsy  = 17 * 186 = 3,162
> Bernard = 21 *  91 = 1,911

What are these numbers ?

Quote:

>> We may say Carrasso but he's actually the actual-time
>> Bordeaux II (0-1-0 in term of real footballers).

> The "1" being... Plasil?

No, Obraniak.
Plasil is "has been". He cannot make a correct pass if the
player is more than three meters far. He runs when he wants and
never shoot.

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:26:21

Newly promoted teams winning the national championship? There have been a
lot of them! ...Well, not a lot, but it has happened:
http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/eedd.html

But how many newly promoted teams won the national championship _and_ had
the best attack _and_ had the best defence? That would be a feat! Let's
check the top national leagues...

Argentina:
- Rosario Central 1987: not best attack, not best defence

Brazil:
- no newly promoted champion

England:
- Liverpool 1906: not best attack, not best defence
- Everton 1932: not best defence
- Tottenham Hotspur 1951: not best defence
- Ipswich Town 1962: not best attack, not best defence
- Nottingham Forest 1978: not best attack

France:
- AS Saint-Etienne 1964: not best defence
- AS Monaco 1978: not best defence

Germany:
- 1.FC Kaiserslautern 1998: not best attack, not best defence

Italy:
- no newly promoted champion

Netherlands:
- DWS 1964: not best attack

Portugal:
- no newly promoted champion

Spain:
- no newly promoted champion

Well, but I forgot one team... you guessed it, Bordeaux. And it turns out
that in 1950 they, freshly promoted from second division, managed to win the
league _and_ to have the best attack _and_ to have the best defence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949%E2%80%9350_French_Division_1

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by ixion martin - GdB » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 05:59:34

Il se trouve que milivella a formul :

Quote:
> Newly promoted teams winning the national championship? There
> have been a lot of them! ...Well, not a lot, but it has
> happened:
> http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/eedd.html

> But how many newly promoted teams won the national
> championship _and_ had the best attack _and_ had the best
> defence? That would be a feat! Let's check the top national
> leagues...

> Argentina:
> - Rosario Central 1987: not best attack, not best defence

> Brazil:
> - no newly promoted champion

> England:
> - Liverpool 1906: not best attack, not best defence
> - Everton 1932: not best defence
> - Tottenham Hotspur 1951: not best defence
> - Ipswich Town 1962: not best attack, not best defence
> - Nottingham Forest 1978: not best attack

> France:
> - AS Saint-Etienne 1964: not best defence
> - AS Monaco 1978: not best defence

> Germany:
> - 1.FC Kaiserslautern 1998: not best attack, not best defence

> Italy:
> - no newly promoted champion

> Netherlands:
> - DWS 1964: not best attack

> Portugal:
> - no newly promoted champion

> Spain:
> - no newly promoted champion

> Well, but I forgot one team... you guessed it, Bordeaux. And
> it turns out that in 1950 they, freshly promoted from second
> division, managed to win the league _and_ to have the best
> attack _and_ to have the best defence:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949%E2%80%9350_French_Division_1

Classy :).

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:45:11

ixion martin - GdBx:

Quote:
> milivella avait crit le 09/04/2013 :
>> Who would you have at left winger?

> Dugarry ?
> It was not his favourite position but was left winger in French national
> team.

If he can play LW, the spot would be his according to my computation too. :)

Quote:
>>> In goalkeeper, we off course have Ulrich Ram or Dominique Dropsy...

>> This shows that I should have dug for more data, not that the scoring
>> method was wrong. :)
>> Rame    = 12 * 402 = 4,824
>> Dropsy  = 17 * 186 = 3,162
>> Bernard = 21 *  91 = 1,911

> What are these numbers ?

international_caps * appearances_for_Bordeaux = milivella_TM_score ;)

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Some interesting facts about FC Girondins de Bordeaux

Post by milivell » Sun, 21 Apr 2013 04:04:17

A new stadium is being constructed, but the current one (the
Jacques-Chaban-Delmas stadium) has the longest tunnel for players in Europe:
120 metres!

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Bordeaux won their first Coupe de France title in 1941, but they lost all
the five finals they reached in the next decades. In 1986 they reached the
final again: on 30 April, they were to play Olympique de Marseille (then in
the early Tapie age). Such was the fear of another unlucky loss, that
Giresse promised that in case of a win he would ride from Bordeaux to
Lourdes by bicycle.

In the last minute of the first half, Diallo converted a penalty kick for
Marseille. Was the curse acting all over again? Tigana didn't think so: he
scored after just 8 minutes in the second half. But then the match was
stuck. The first extra time came and went, and the second one looked like it
was going the same way. But three minutes before 120', Giresse scored *this*
goal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIjd7OgFKro
He actually rode to Lourdes after the match.

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Bordeaux' best team - the one from the Eighties - provided many key players
to the successful France 1982-86 national team [1]... but it also gave the
manager to the 1998 world champion team: Aime Jacquet had managed Bordeaux
from 1980 to 1989 (winning three Division 1 titles, two Coupe de France
titles, and one Trophee des champions, and reaching two European cup
semifinals).

[1] Bordeaux players in French WC and EC squads: Giresse (82, 84, 86),
Tigana (82, 84, 86), Lacombe (82, 84), Battiston (84, 86), Tusseau (84, 86),
Tresor (82), Girard (82), Soler (82).

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The longest winning streak in Italy is Inter's 17 (2006-07), in Spain it's
Barcelona's 16 (2010-11), in Germany it's Bayern's 15 (2003-05), in France
it's... Bordeaux' 14 wins between the end of the 2008-09 season and the
beginning of the 2009-10 season.

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That's all (at least for the time being). Go Girondins!

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