To Italian Whingers

To Italian Whingers

Post by Benn » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:07:32


You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
archaic tactics.

Italy have two choices :

1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
players they are producing

It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
start.

                        http://soccer-europe.com

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by The Doct » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:11:27


Quote:

>You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
>simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
>midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
>creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
>leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
>novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
>archaic tactics.

>Italy have two choices :

>1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

>2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
>players they are producing

>It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
>start.

>                        http://soccer-europe.com

Wenger for Italian manager ?-)
--
Member - Liberal International  On 11 Sept 2001 the WORLD was violated.

Society MUST be saved! Extremists must dissolve.  
Beware of defining as intelligent only those who share your opinions

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Chris Ioanno » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:13:32

Couldn't agree with you more regarding a foreign coach for Italy. England
have had the guts and foresight to do it, why not Italy?


Quote:
> You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
> simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
> midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
> creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
> leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
> novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
> archaic tactics.

> Italy have two choices :

> 1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

> 2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
> players they are producing

> It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
> start.

>                         http://soccer-europe.com


 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Lee Harri » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:17:23


Quote:
> You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
> simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
> midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
> creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
> leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
> novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
> archaic tactics.

> Italy have two choices :

> 1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

> 2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
> players they are producing

I feel there is far too much of (1) going on by many teams who have been
knocked out.

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Andrew Fento » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:25:17


Quote:
> I feel there is far too much of (1) going on by many teams who have been
> knocked out.

Yup.
 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Nick Simoncin » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:31:26

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:17:23 +0100, "Lee Harris"

Quote:



>> You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
>> simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
>> midfielder.

This has been a problem for several years, but it's not just an
Italian problem, good midfielders are hard to come by these days.

Quote:
>> Italy have two choices :

>> 1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

and our football association which obviously has no political power...

Quote:
>> 2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
>> players they are producing

Italy's so-called style of play is completely normal and still is the
best in the world at digging in and defending a lead. Unfortunately
we lack the luck to be able to finish opponents off as we should.

Also, bear in mind that internationaly countries are getting better
and it's tough to come across teams that are really completely crap.

Quote:
>I feel there is far too much of (1) going on by many teams who have been
>knocked out.

Apart from the fact that Korea is which we should've finished off 3-0
by half time, refereeing has been particularly pathetic at this world
cup. We are seeing inexperienced referees
being conditioned by political situations left and right.

Italy created some fine scoring chances, including Tommasi's
disallowed goal (which is what people are complaining about more
than Totti's sending off), but there's only so much one can do.

Nick

PS Benny and all other English pontificators: Totti's "dive" was worth
a penalty for Owen against Argentina. Remember that.

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Copperno » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:44:14


Quote:
>simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
>midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your

It is sad but if you agree that a good midifeld is made up of
"interditori" ball catchers and "metronomi" or rythym and ball
controllers. Italy has decent first ones (Tommasi, Gattuso and Zanetti
did a sufficient job but hardly outstanding.) I know i'm dead boring
but i thought it was criminal to leave a fit Ambrosini at home...

Where italy needs to look at itself is why there are no Albertini's
anymore. Corini is past the curve?

Quote:
>Italy have two choices :

I think the two are not mutually exclusive... They did score 5 goals
which where OK

Quote:
>It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
>start.

Who? Heck they didn't trust Terim at Milan. If Trap leaves (but i
don't think he will, i see Zaccheroni in his place,,,

Coppernob

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Crusade » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:55:09



Quote:

>Italy have two choices :

They have 3 choices

Quote:

>1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

>2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
>players they are producing

3. Go back to playing boccia ball
 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Nick Simoncin » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:56:42



Quote:
>Who? Heck they didn't trust Terim at Milan. If Trap leaves (but i
>don't think he will, i see Zaccheroni in his place,,,

If Zaccheroni takes over the national team. The next time Italy
qualifies for a tournament is when we'll host one.
 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by luke » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:48:09

Quote:

> You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
> simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
> midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
> creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
> leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
> novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
> archaic tactics.

> Italy have two choices :

> 1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

> 2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
> players they are producing

> It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
> start.

>                         http://soccer-europe.com

--

Maybe the Italian league is just not as good as you think it is

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Robbi » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:45:39


Quote:
> You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
> simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
> midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
> creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
> leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
> novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
> archaic tactics.

> Italy have two choices :

> 1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

> 2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
> players they are producing

> It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
> start.

Excellent post.
 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Robbi » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:58:33


Quote:
> PS Benny and all other English pontificators: Totti's "dive" was worth
> a penalty for Owen against Argentina. Remember that.

No dive and judged by the best ref. in the world.
 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by David Kaise » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:16:23

  Thank you, Benny, I have already expressed my opinion on several threads.

                David K

Quote:

> You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
> simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
> midfielder. There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
> creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
> leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
> novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
> archaic tactics.

> Italy have two choices :

> 1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

> 2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
> players they are producing

> It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
> start.

>                         http://soccer-europe.com

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Goldmu » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:36:42



Quote:
>You were playing SOUTH KOREA. Favourable refereeing or not there is no
>simply no excuse for Italy being unable to produce ONE single competent
>midfielder.

Please Benny, don't come out with the Ambrosini topic, not now!

Quote:
>There is no excuse to rely so heavily on ONE player for your
>creativity. There is no excuse for players playing in one of the top
>leagues to be out-passed, out-fought and out-thought by a team who are
>novices in comparison and there is even less excuse for employing such
>archaic tactics.

We saw different matches.

Quote:
>Italy have two choices :

>1. To bury their heads in the sand and blame the referees and FIFA

>2. Take a good, hard look at how they play this game and the type of
>players they are producing

>It's obvious what needs to be done. A foreign coach would be a good
>start.

Absolutely disagree.

Goldmund -
on Usenet since 1997

 
 
 

To Italian Whingers

Post by Benn » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:25:27

Quote:

> Subject : To Italian Whingers
>I feel there is far too much of (1) going on by many teams who have been
>knocked out.

In the case of Argentina and France it was poor squad selections. With
the odd exception Trap took the best players available. 12 years since
Italy have produced a World Class midfielder. I think that is
unforgivable and something even FIFA cannot be blamed for.

                        http://soccer-europe.com