>>In my opinion Real Madrid will be the Champion's League, because it
>>has the best players in the world.
>Or because they have UEFA and the refs in their pockets.
I think most neutral observers would agree that Real were superior to
Bayern over the two legs, individual incidents notwithstanding.
Get over it.
Bowyer gets a three game ban for stamping on Juan Sanchez, off the ball
missed by the ref
Nedved gets a three game ban for a shocking foul on Leed's Alan Maybury
Raul gets a one game ban for handball rescinded
Roma are given a one game ban from the Olimpico for crowd trouble
Barca fans try to set Panathinaikos' 'keeper on fire and send one of
their staff to hospital - so far no action
Roberto Carlos elbows Salihamidzic - so far no action
Raul elbows Linke - so far no action
Tristian tries to cripple Beckham - no action
Duscher cripples Beckham - so far no action
Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.
>Bowyer gets a three game ban for stamping on Juan Sanchez, off the ball
>missed by the ref
>Nedved gets a three game ban for a shocking foul on Leed's Alan Maybury
>Raul gets a one game ban for handball rescinded
>Roma are given a one game ban from the Olimpico for crowd trouble
>Raul elbows Linke - so far no action
>Tristian tries to cripple Beckham - no action
>Duscher cripples Beckham - so far no action
I'm not sure what criteria UEFA use for handing out bans to players,
but I daresay it has to do with an intention of a player to cause hurt
or damage to another, and intention is always going to be subjectively
interpreted. I don't see that a case has been made for justifying your
initial claim that Real Madrid "have UEFA and the refs in their
pockets". For some reason you're bitter, but it looks to me like
gathering supporting "evidence" to back up your case and ignoring
anything that doesn't.
>>Bowyer gets a three game ban for stamping on Juan Sanchez, off the ball
>>missed by the ref
>>Nedved gets a three game ban for a shocking foul on Leed's Alan Maybury
>>Raul gets a one game ban for handball rescinded
>And these incidents are comparable? This *proves* UEFA favouritism?
I doubt you know Munich's Olympic Stadium - there you are so far away
from the field and it indeed would require a truly Olympic effort to
throw anything onto the ground. The Olympic Stadium is an athletic
stadium of very generous dimensions.
From the front of the standing areas in the curves a throw would have
to cover approximately 60 metres or more to rech the goal line.
From the sides you would have to cover ca. 25-35 metres just to the
Also, Munich has excellent guards and I cannot a single incident that
would come anywhre near a spectator interference with the goings on on
Even on the way onto and off the pitch the players is very safe: the
way to the cabins is directly under the heavily guarded VIP area.
Please do not attempt to spread rumors that cannot be maintained.
Another piece of trivia: Munich's Olympic Stadium in the late
seventies or early eighties attracted once a crowd of 80.000 for a
second division match betwen Bayern's local rival 1860 and FC Augsburg
(1:1) (the club which has Helmut Haller as its most famous son.)
If anybody could name me a bigger crowd for second division football
world-wide I would like to hear about it.
Sorry and Cheers,
If I've stated something that is not true, then I sincerely apologize.
I got my information from the Spanish sports media, which may have
been misinformed (or simply making it up). I've never been to the
Munich Olympic stadium, so could not judge the likelihood that those
claims were correct. I wasn't trying to discredit Bayern, rather to
illustrate the fact that this sort of incident happens all the time,
is not purely the preserve of Spanish stadia, and that UEFA does not
show favouritism when handing out bans.
>>>They favour Spanish clubs :
>>>Bowyer gets a three game ban for stamping on Juan Sanchez, off the ball
>>>missed by the ref
>>>Nedved gets a three game ban for a shocking foul on Leed's Alan Maybury
>>>Raul gets a one game ban for handball rescinded
>>And these incidents are comparable? This *proves* UEFA favouritism?
>The first two are perfectly comparable to Real's elbows and Depor's
>fouls on Beckham.
>>Wasn't this the match where the Italian police beat up the Galatasaray
>And beating up a team doctor and trying to injure the 'keeper shouldn't
>be punished in the same way?
>>I didn't see the game, but I read (BBC, before you ask) that the
>>incident with the Panathinaikos doctor was that his hospitalization
>>was apparently caused by his hitting his head on the roof above the
>>bench and, on falling, had swallowed his tongue, dislocated his
>>shoulder and suffered convulsions. Several items hit Real players in
>Not according to soccerage.
>No it doesn't. Roma and Fiorentina have been banned for similar
>I doubt it.
>>Both Tristn and Duscher were shown yellow cards for their actions.
>>You could argue that they should have been sent off, but surely that
>>is always up to the interpretation of the referee? And are you
>>seriously suggesting that this again *proves* UEFA favours Spanish
>>clubs? I'm sure every single contested high-tension game has at least
>>a handful of incidents which will aggrieve the fans of one side or
>The Bowyer incident was missed by the ref but he was banned after UEFA
>looked at video evidence. Exactly the same as the Roberto Carlos and
>Raul incidents, both of which were missed by Braschi. Nedved was booked
>by the ref for a terrible tackle then banned after UEFA looked at video
>evidence. EXACTLY the same as the Tristan and Duscher incidents the only
>difference being that UEFA as yet haven't taken any action against the
>I've compared similar incidents.
Perhaps the method by which UEFA hands out bans to grounds and players
needs more openness, but I don't think there's some sort of ***
going on, and I don't think you're anywhere near proving your
>>Please do not attempt to spread rumors that cannot be maintained.
>If I've stated something that is not true, then I sincerely apologize.
>I got my information from the Spanish sports media, which may have
>been misinformed (or simply making it up). I've never been to the
>They took about two days to punish Roma. Three days and counting so far
>>And Real was banned in '98 for their game against Inter, following
>>incidents in the previous season's semifinal. Perhaps they should have
>>been banned for life, so UEFA can't be accused of favouritism?
>You have to go back 4 years?
>There are double standards, I don't think anyone can dispute that.