Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by The Scrutinee » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:37:10


GK
Jefferson    Botafogo
Matheus Caldeira    Corinthians

Def
Andre Santos    Gremio
Dede    Vasco
Rever    Atletico Mineiro
Doria    Botafogo
Douglas Santos    Nautico

Mid
Ronaldinho    Atletico Mineiro
Paulinho    Corinthians
Ralf    Corinthians
Jadson    Sao Paulo
Arouca    Santos
Jean    Fluminense

Att
Neymar    Santos
Alexandre Pato    Corinthians
Leandro Damiao    Internacional
Osvaldo    Sao Paulo
Leandro    Palmeiras

Ok, a few questions for our dear Brazilian experts... Andre Santos? He must
be in some form for him to be selected in the squad, I cant begin to think
why he is in, can anyone tell me about Matheus Caldeira, Doria, Douglas
Santos, Osvaldo and Leandro?

Appreciated in advance...

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Jesus Petr » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:59:01

Quote:

> GK
> Jefferson    Botafogo
> Matheus Caldeira    Corinthians

> Def
> Andre Santos    Gremio
> Dede    Vasco
> Rever    Atletico Mineiro
> Doria    Botafogo
> Douglas Santos    Nautico

> Mid
> Ronaldinho    Atletico Mineiro
> Paulinho    Corinthians
> Ralf    Corinthians
> Jadson    Sao Paulo
> Arouca    Santos
> Jean    Fluminense

> Att
> Neymar    Santos
> Alexandre Pato    Corinthians
> Leandro Damiao    Internacional
> Osvaldo    Sao Paulo
> Leandro    Palmeiras

> Ok, a few questions for our dear Brazilian experts... Andre Santos? He must
> be in some form for him to be selected in the squad, I cant begin to think
> why he is in, can anyone tell me about Matheus Caldeira, Doria, Douglas
> Santos, Osvaldo and Leandro?

> Appreciated in advance...

 I didn't mention it at all because it looked like a bad taste joke by Felip?o.
 I mean, Corinthians' FOURTH goalkeeper???!!!
 Douglas Santos? (who had a decent season for a lower midtable club, so what?)
 Leandro, who was dumped by Grmio with a bunch of other players so they could get Barcos from Palmeiras?
 I haven't seen much from Doria, but Tim Vickery has talked him up, so I respect it.
 And Osvaldo is decent enough to be remembered when you're calling only local players with some restrictions due to concurrent club competitions, I guess.

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Clémen » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 02:04:45

"Jesus Petry"  escreveu:

Quote:
> I didn't mention it at all because it looked like a bad taste joke by
> Felip?o.
>  I mean, Corinthians' FOURTH goalkeeper???!!!

And he's the one who's had a youth cup winners medal **stolen** by the
current CBF president.

You couldn't make this up.

Abra?o,

Luiz Mello

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by The Scrutinee » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 02:39:16

"Jesus Petry"  escreveu:

Quote:
> I didn't mention it at all because it looked like a bad taste joke by
> Felip?o.
>  I mean, Corinthians' FOURTH goalkeeper???!!!

> And he's the one who's had a youth cup winners medal **stolen** by the
> current CBF president.

> You couldn't make this up.

How is Santos playing at Gremio?

I ask because he has been quoted in saying he wants to leave Arsenal, this
might actually be somewhat of a good thing if he has picked up his form...

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Clémen » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 02:44:52

"The Scrutineer"  escreveu:

Quote:
> How is Santos playing at Gremio?

I can't say, sorry. I don't follow the state leagues, and during the week
(when I'm traveling), I don't have any access to paid TV matches (which
include all Libertadores matches, except for the local team, which I watched
live on free-to-air last night).

Quote:
> I ask because he has been quoted in saying he wants to leave Arsenal, this
> might actually be somewhat of a good thing if he has picked up his form...

Indeed.

Abra?o,

Luiz Mello

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Jesus Petr » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 02:57:16

Quote:


> "Jesus Petry"  escreveu:
> > I didn't mention it at all because it looked like a bad taste joke by
> > Felip?o.
> >  I mean, Corinthians' FOURTH goalkeeper???!!!

> > And he's the one who's had a youth cup winners medal **stolen** by the
> > current CBF president.

> > You couldn't make this up.

> How is Santos playing at Gremio?

 From what I've seen (admitedly not that much), the usual: some good crosses, not so hot defending. To give you an idea of how it is going: after a year-long injury, Fbio Aurlio is being given some chances to possibly take his spot.

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Lleo » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 04:11:46

Em quinta-feira, 4 de abril de 2013 12h59min01s UTC-3, Jesus Petry  escreveu:

Quote:

> > [snip The Scrutineer's fair queries]

>  I didn't mention it at all because it looked like a bad taste joke by
> Felip?o.

>  I mean, Corinthians' FOURTH goalkeeper???!!!

Luiz mentioned that he was precisely the one that had his youth cup winners medal stolen by the current CBF president, Jose Maria Marin.

For The Scrutineer, the episode was this: last season Corinthians won Copa S?o Paulo, a traditional youth cup held in January, hosted in the state of SP and played by teams from all over the country. In the post-game prize ceremony there was a medal missing, which means that one of the players - in this case, Matheus - didn't get his. TV footage later showed Marin (then still CBF's vice-president) discreetly sliding one into his pockets.

As far as I know, having been caught on the act and over a year having gone by, he STILL HAS NOT RETURNED THE MEDAL TO THE KID.

And here's Felip?o calling up Matheus, who is currently 4th choice at Corinthians. Not only this brings the medal story back to the forefront, there's also an online petition around with over 50,000 signatures asking for Marin's removal from the post (delivered in CBF this week I think, by Romario and Ivo Herzog among others. Of course, the reasons listed in the petition are far worse than him "awarding" himself for someone else's effort).

But the call up gets better (or worse, I guess...)

Quote:
>  Douglas Santos? (who had a decent season for a lower midtable club, so what?)

This one may have been by mistake.

http://www.bemparana.com.br/noticia/252770/lateral-do-nautico-pode-te...

In sum, for Scrutineer again :-) : the player called up is from Nautico, but there is a youngster at S?o Paulo with the same name, which may have been the one Felip?o intended to call up. He (the SPFC one) is a right-back, and Felip?o did not call up any other right back.

CBF denied the mistake, but (1) since it's only a friendly, they may have just said "what the hell" and got on with it, and (2) there is a precedent: as the team prepared for WC'66, they called up 44 players to sort out which 22 would make the trip. One of these was Ditao, a defender from Corinthians. By mistake, they brought in an homonym from Flamengo, and did not own up to the error, in order to save face. At least they didn't take the wrong player to England...

In (Nautico's) Douglas Santos defense, though, one could point to a former Nautico coach (Gallo) currently working with CBF's technical staff. Felip?o said he "consulted" him. But still, as JP say, it was only a decent season at a lower midtable club...

Quote:
>  Leandro, who was dumped by Grmio with a bunch of other players so they
> could get Barcos from Palmeiras?

>  I haven't seen much from Doria, but Tim Vickery has talked him up, so I
> respect it.

As far as I know, Doria has been doing ok for Botafogo. Then again, they have faced very little real opposition so far this season. In fact, with Vasco and Flamengo in the doldrums and Fluminense with its mind set on a tricky Libertadores group, maybe it's fair to say they didn't actually have real opposition so far this season...

Quote:
>  And Osvaldo is decent enough to be remembered when you're calling only local
> players with some restrictions due to concurrent club competitions, I guess.

Indeed. It's also important to notice that this friendly wasn't originally in CBF's plans for the Confederations Cup's run-in. Its raison d'tre is the death of young Kevin Espada in that infamous episode in Oruro, so that the revenue of the game could be donated to the kid's family. Don't know what to make of it, but the message CBF seems to be sending - with such "throwaway" call-up - is that they really don't care and that this is just a nuisance to them. For appearances sake, to look like they at least "did something" about it.

--
Llo

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Clémen » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 07:31:09

"Lleo"  escreveu:

Quote:
> As far as I know, having been caught on the act and over a year having
> gone
> by, he STILL HAS NOT RETURNED THE MEDAL TO THE KID.

No, I don't think he has. And I don't think he will.

Marin is a disgrace to the game, exactly like his predecessor was. And most
likely like his successor will be.

Quote:
> And here's Felip?o calling up Matheus, who is currently 4th choice at
> Corinthians.
> Not only this brings the medal story back to the forefront, there's also
> an online
> petition around with over 50,000 signatures asking for Marin's removal
> from the
> post (delivered in CBF this week I think, by Romario and Ivo Herzog among
> others.
> Of course, the reasons listed in the petition are far worse than him
> "awarding"
> himself for someone else's effort).

I have signed it myself. There's still hope that this disgraceful creature
won't be ahead of CBF come World Cup time, which would be unacceptable.

Abra?o,

Luiz Mello

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Abubak » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:19:14



Quote:

>> GK
>> Jefferson    Botafogo
>> Matheus Caldeira    Corinthians

>> Def
>> Andre Santos    Gremio
>> Dede    Vasco
>> Rever    Atletico Mineiro
>> Doria    Botafogo
>> Douglas Santos    Nautico

>> Mid
>> Ronaldinho    Atletico Mineiro
>> Paulinho    Corinthians
>> Ralf    Corinthians
>> Jadson    Sao Paulo
>> Arouca    Santos
>> Jean    Fluminense

>> Att
>> Neymar    Santos
>> Alexandre Pato    Corinthians
>> Leandro Damiao    Internacional
>> Osvaldo    Sao Paulo
>> Leandro    Palmeiras

>> Ok, a few questions for our dear Brazilian experts... Andre Santos? He  
>> must
>> be in some form for him to be selected in the squad, I cant begin to  
>> think
>> why he is in, can anyone tell me about Matheus Caldeira, Doria, Douglas
>> Santos, Osvaldo and Leandro?

>> Appreciated in advance...

>  I didn't mention it at all because it looked like a bad taste joke by  
> Felip?o.
>  I mean, Corinthians' FOURTH goalkeeper???!!!
>  Douglas Santos? (who had a decent season for a lower midtable club, so  
> what?)
>  Leandro, who was dumped by Grmio with a bunch of other players so they  
> could get Barcos from Palmeiras?
>  I haven't seen much from Doria, but Tim Vickery has talked him up, so I  
> respect it.
>  And Osvaldo is decent enough to be remembered when you're calling only  
> local players with some restrictions due to concurrent club  
> competitions, I guess.

Is not Bernard of At.M among the best 22 players in the Brazilian leagues?
 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by Clémen » Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:31:17

"Abubakr " escreveu:

Quote:
> Is not Bernard of At.M among the best 22 players in the Brazilian leagues?

He's injured.

Abra?o,

Luiz Mello

 
 
 

Brazil NT for Bolivia friendly

Post by The Scrutinee » Sun, 07 Apr 2013 03:21:51


Quote:
>  I didn't mention it at all because it looked like a bad taste joke by
> Felip o.

>  I mean, Corinthians' FOURTH goalkeeper???!!!

>  Luiz mentioned that he was precisely the one that had his youth cup
> winners medal stolen by the current CBF president, Jose Maria Marin.

>  For The Scrutineer, the episode was this: last season Corinthians won
> Copa S o Paulo, a traditional youth cup held in January, hosted in the
> state of SP and played by teams from all over the country. In >  the
> post-game prize ceremony there was a medal missing, which means that one
> of the players - in this case, Matheus - didn't get his. TV footage later
> showed Marin (then still CBF's vice-president) >  discreetly sliding one
> into his pockets.

>  As far as I know, having been caught on the act and over a year having
> gone by, he STILL HAS NOT RETURNED THE MEDAL TO THE KID.

>  And here's Felip o calling up Matheus, who is currently 4th choice at
> Corinthians. Not only this brings the medal story back to the forefront,
> there's also an online petition around with over 50,000 >  signatures
> asking for Marin's removal from the post (delivered in CBF this week I
> think, by Romario and Ivo Herzog among others. Of course, the reasons
> listed in the petition are far worse than him >  "awarding" himself for
> someone else's effort).

>  But the call up gets better (or worse, I guess...)

ROFLMAO, what the hell!!!

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
>  Douglas Santos? (who had a decent season for a lower midtable club, so
> what?)

>  This one may have been by mistake.

> http://www.bemparana.com.br/noticia/252770/lateral-do-nautico-pode-te...

>  In sum, for Scrutineer again :-) : the player called up is from Nautico,
> but there is a youngster at S o Paulo with the same name, which may have
> been the one Felip o intended to call up. He (the SPFC >  one) is a
> right-back, and Felip o did not call up any other right back.

>  CBF denied the mistake, but (1) since it's only a friendly, they may have
> just said "what the hell" and got on with it, and (2) there is a
> precedent: as the team prepared for WC'66, they called up 44 >  players to
> sort out which 22 would make the trip. One of these was Ditao, a defender
> from Corinthians. By mistake, they brought in an homonym from Flamengo,
> and did not own up to the error, in order to >  save face. At least they
> didn't take the wrong player to England...

>  In (Nautico's) Douglas Santos defense, though, one could point to a
> former Nautico coach (Gallo) currently working with CBF's technical staff.
> Felip o said he "consulted" him. But still, as JP say, it was >  only a
> decent season at a lower midtable club...

Fair enough, but LOL again!!!

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Quote:
>  Leandro, who was dumped by Gr mio with a bunch of other players so they
> could get Barcos from Palmeiras?

>  I haven't seen much from Doria, but Tim Vickery has talked him up, so I
> respect it.

> As far as I know, Doria has been doing ok for Botafogo. Then again, they
> have faced very little real opposition so far this season. In fact, with
> Vasco and Flamengo in the doldrums and Fluminense with its > mind set on a
> tricky Libertadores group, maybe it's fair to say they didn't actually
> have real opposition so far this season...

>  And Osvaldo is decent enough to be remembered when you're calling only
> local
> players with some restrictions due to concurrent club competitions, I
> guess.

> Indeed. It's also important to notice that this friendly wasn't originally
> in CBF's plans for the Confederations Cup's run-in. Its raison d' tre is
> the death of young Kevin Espada in that infamous episode in > Oruro, so
> that the revenue of the game could be donated to the kid's family. Don't
> know what to make of it, but the message CBF seems to be sending - with
> such "throwaway" call-up - is that they really > don't care and that this
> is just a nuisance to them. For appearances sake, to look like they at
> least "did something" about it.

Absolutely appreciate the contribution here, fantastic to gain such
knowledge, especially with the medal controversy!!

Thanks again!!!