Etoo to Real Madrid
Ronaldinho to Milan
Deco to Chelsea
The last person to leave Barcelona please switch off the lights.
by Alexandr » Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:01:19
Etoo to Real Madrid
Ronaldinho to Milan
Deco to Chelsea
The last person to leave Barcelona please switch off the lights.
by Google Beta Use » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:31:50
What United and Ferguson did in the 90s was very impressive.
> The last person to leave Barcelona please switch off the lights.
by Alexandr » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:40:09
> What United and Ferguson did in the 90s was very impressive.
> > Etoo to Real Madrid
> > Ronaldinho to Milan
> > Deco to Chelsea
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by alkami.. » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:43:27
> > Problem with reaching the top is that sometimes there is emotional
> > withdrawal. What next? Also, familiarity breeds contempt often.
> > Which is why I really admire dynasties, or coaches that keep winning
> > (at the same place).
> > What United and Ferguson did in the 90s was very impressive.
> Ferguson has been vey successful DOMESTICALLY but at the international
> level he's been a failure. Any coach that needs 20 years to win a
> single Champions League would be consider a total failure at Real
> Madrid where success must be inmediate. In 3 1/2 years Del Bosque won
> two Champions League and two intercontinental cups yet he was fired.
> Someone pointed out today in the spanish press that if Del Bosque were
> british he would be a sir, a knight, a chancellor a defender of the
> empire and so on while in Spain the only thing he got was a slap in
> the back of the head and a kick in the ass when he was fired. I think
> in England people expect much less from their teams than in Spain. A
> coach like Ferguson wouldn't have lasted very long at Real.
by Alexandr » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 05:07:14
> > > Problem with reaching the top is that sometimes there is emotional
> > > withdrawal. What next? Also, familiarity breeds contempt often.
> > > Which is why I really admire dynasties, or coaches that keep winning
> > > (at the same place).
> > > What United and Ferguson did in the 90s was very impressive.
> > Ferguson has been vey successful DOMESTICALLY but at the international
> > level he's been a failure. Any coach that needs 20 years to win a
> > single Champions League would be consider a total failure at Real
> > Madrid where success must be inmediate. In 3 1/2 years Del Bosque won
> > two Champions League and two intercontinental cups yet he was fired.
> > Someone pointed out today in the spanish press that if Del Bosque were
> > british he would be a sir, a knight, a chancellor a defender of the
> > empire and so on while in Spain the only thing he got was a slap in
> > the back of the head and a kick in the ass when he was fired. I think
> > in England people expect much less from their teams than in Spain. A
> > coach like Ferguson wouldn't have lasted very long at Real.
> Let's not delude ourselves. RM won 5 ECs in the infancy stages of
> European competition, won another soon after, and then had to wait 22
> years to win it again. In their recent succesful 5 year stretch
> (98-02) they truly had a remarkable record, thanks mainly to Del
> Bosque, and suddenly their fans started pretending that winning the
> European Cup is their minimum expectation. Well those fans must have
> been hibernating with the Grizzlies in Alaska for 22 years just
> preceding that period because the club didnt see a glint of that
> trophy in over two decades.
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by Google Beta Use » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:26:01
by Alexandr » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:02:31
> >True but Real Madrid has won the EC in the 50's, 60's,90's and 2000's.
> >Real Madrid has played the EC final in the 50's, 60's, 80's,90's and
> >2000's. Obviously people expect Real Madrid to win the Champions
> >League with much more frequency than any other team out there. English
> >teams are just happy to play the EC.
> Well, that could well be because the fewer Spanish top teams have a greater
> chance of winning the league over time.
> The set of Spanish league winners since 1955 = {Atltico de Madrid, FC
> Barcelona, Real Madrid CF, Athletic de Bilbao, Valencia CF, Real Sociedad,
> RC Deportivo de La Coru?a} (7 in total)
> The set of English league winners since 1955 = {Tottenham Hotspur,
> Manchester United, Arsenal, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Chelsea, Burnley,
> Ipswich Town, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester City, Leeds United, Derby
> County, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers} (15 in total)
> While Spain-England wrt EC/UCL wins is near equal 11-10.
> So Real Madrid benefits over time from being able to "try" more often.
> --
> All that we see, or seem,
> is but a dream, within a dream,
> installed by the Machine
by MH » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:03:13
>>Quoting Alexandre in rec.sport.soccer:
>>>True but Real Madrid has won the EC in the 50's, 60's,90's and 2000's.
>>>Real Madrid has played the EC final in the 50's, 60's, 80's,90's and
>>>2000's. Obviously people expect Real Madrid to win the Champions
>>>League with much more frequency than any other team out there. English
>>>teams are just happy to play the EC.
>>Well, that could well be because the fewer Spanish top teams have a greater
>>chance of winning the league over time.
>>The set of Spanish league winners since 1955 = {Atltico de Madrid, FC
>>Barcelona, Real Madrid CF, Athletic de Bilbao, Valencia CF, Real Sociedad,
>>RC Deportivo de La Coru?a} (7 in total)
>>The set of English league winners since 1955 = {Tottenham Hotspur,
>>Manchester United, Arsenal, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Chelsea, Burnley,
>>Ipswich Town, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester City, Leeds United, Derby
>>County, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers} (15 in total)
>>While Spain-England wrt EC/UCL wins is near equal 11-10.
>>So Real Madrid benefits over time from being able to "try" more often.
> This is one of those "IF my grandmother had wheels she would be a
> bycicle" type of situations. Personally I believe that IF Real Madrid
> played in England it wouldn't have missed a single EC/CL and the
> European Cup booty would be between 18 to 20 cups. The Spanish league
> is much stronger from top to bottom than the english league.
In the 70s and 80s, Real was still winning the Spanish league quite
regularly, yet they didn't make much impact in any of the European
competitions. Unlike Liverpool, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, and the
various CWC and UEFA cup winners like Everton, Spurs, Ipswich etc.
Given the overall strength of the Spanish league in the 70s and 80s, I
would be surprised if the Real Madrid team of that time had qualified
once for the European cup between 1974 and 1986, if they had been
playing in England.
A team
>>--
>>All that we see, or seem,
>>is but a dream, within a dream,
>>installed by the Machine
by Jord » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:13:37
Funny bunch, those lads.
J.
by martin.ball.. » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:08:06
> The last person to leave Barcelona please switch off the lights.
by Alexandr » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:01:47
> > Etoo to Real Madrid
> Always interesting to hear the usual suspects suddenly changing their
> Eto'o bash now there's a hint of a probability he may be leaving.
> Funny bunch, those lads.
> J.
by Alexandr » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:04:27
> > Etoo to Real Madrid
> Always interesting to hear the usual suspects suddenly changing their
> Eto'o bash now there's a hint of a probability he may be leaving.
> Funny bunch, those lads.
> J.
by The Doct » Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:50:43
>> > Etoo to Real Madrid
>> Always interesting to hear the usual suspects suddenly changing their
>> Eto'o bash now there's a hint of a probability he may be leaving.
>> Funny bunch, those lads.
>> J.
by LeGa » Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:15:56
> > The last person to leave Barcelona please switch off the lights.
> You're dreaming - why would Ronaldino make the same mistake as Ronaldo
> and end his career by moving to a country that's footballing world is
> in termoil - if he goes anywhere it will be England, but my money is
> on him to stay.
by Lord of Wa » Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:52:29
> > > Problem with reaching the top is that sometimes there is emotional
> > > withdrawal. What next? Also, familiarity breeds contempt often.
> > > Which is why I really admire dynasties, or coaches that keep winning
> > > (at the same place).
> > > What United and Ferguson did in the 90s was very impressive.
> > Ferguson has been vey successful DOMESTICALLY but at the international
> > level he's been a failure. Any coach that needs 20 years to win a
> > single Champions League would be consider a total failure at Real
> > Madrid where success must be inmediate. In 3 1/2 years Del Bosque won
> > two Champions League and two intercontinental cups yet he was fired.
> > Someone pointed out today in the spanish press that if Del Bosque were
> > british he would be a sir, a knight, a chancellor a defender of the
> > empire and so on while in Spain the only thing he got was a slap in
> > the back of the head and a kick in the ass when he was fired. I think
> > in England people expect much less from their teams than in Spain. A
> > coach like Ferguson wouldn't have lasted very long at Real.
> Let's not delude ourselves. RM won 5 ECs in the infancy stages of
> European competition, won another soon after, and then had to wait 22
> years to win it again. In their recent succesful 5 year stretch
> (98-02) they truly had a remarkable record, thanks mainly to Del
> Bosque, and suddenly their fans started pretending that winning the
> European Cup is their minimum expectation. Well those fans must have
> been hibernating with the Grizzlies in Alaska for 22 years just
> preceding that period because the club didnt see a glint of that
> trophy in over two decades.- Hide quoted text -
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