Juventus - Bayern match thread [R]

Juventus - Bayern match thread [R]

Post by Sven Mischki » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:07:33


Quote:

> Am 11.04.2013 11:56, schrieb Bruce D. Scott:

> > |> Unfortunately they aren't on the list, so maybe Real, but only just.
> > |> BVB would be my last choice, BTW. We can only lose there, and I'm not
> > |> sure whether we would be able to handle the mental issues in that clash.
> > |>
> > |> Schweinsteiger very nervous today in the first 20 minutes, and
> > |> that was maybe the main reason it was all Juve in the first 30 minutes.
> > |> The first releif came only after about 35 minutes, when Bayern
> > |> had some control in Juve's half for the first time.

> > I think so too but we have to get over this sometime and the more
> > emphatically the better.  We don't deserve it if we're too chicken.

> Actually I don't care if we deserve to win - let's just win it
> and leave the deserved-or-not-debates for the summer break.

> Anyway, after the draw tomorrow I will carefully explain, why
> our draw is definitely the worst possible :-)

Ah, but that's easy:

Barca: Because they are better
Real: Not again
BVB: How embarassing would it be to lose?

Ciao,
        SM
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Post by Sven Mischki » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:10:01

Quote:

> > I want someone better than Sahin if we do that.

> That'll be difficult, because Sahin is not that bad. Who could
> it be?

Badelj? ;)

Ciao,  
        SM
--
Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

 
 
 

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Post by Bruce D. Scot » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:14:35

|>> I want someone better than Sahin if we do that.
|>
|> That'll be difficult, because Sahin is not that bad. Who could
|> it be?
|>
|> Emre Can? :-)

L-)

No also rans.  If anybody then a real one, if not then better off with
what we have.  Another DM should be significantly better than Luis G or
we should stay with Luis G.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence:  http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

 
 
 

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Post by Binder Dunda » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:08:11


Quote:

> |>> I want someone better than Sahin if we do that.
> |>
> |> That'll be difficult, because Sahin is not that bad. Who could
> |> it be?
> |>
> |> Emre Can? :-)

> L-)

> No also rans. ?If anybody then a real one, if not then better off with
> what we have. ?Another DM should be significantly better than Luis G or
> we should stay with Luis G.

> --
> ciao,
> Bruce

> drift wave turbulence: ?http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

Nothing wrong with Gustavo or Martinez,  If bayern want to deplete the
other teams of players, they could buy Gundogan, who I think is better
then Sahin.

Never quite understood why Sahin ( or even Kagawa) were so highly
rated and bought by big money clubs.  It is like the same marketing
job Hollywood did with Adam Sandler.  (Yes I know I use the Adam
sandler reference all the time, but that is becasue I just dont get
why anyone would think he is funny?)

 
 
 

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Post by Joachim Parsc » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 03:36:23

Am 11.04.2013 23:14, schrieb Bruce D. Scott:

Quote:

> |>> I want someone better than Sahin if we do that.
> |>
> |> That'll be difficult, because Sahin is not that bad. Who could
> |> it be?
> |>
> |> Emre Can? :-)

> L-)

> No also rans.  If anybody then a real one, if not then better off with
> what we have.  Another DM should be significantly better than Luis G or
> we should stay with Luis G.

I'm assuming that Gustl will stay with us. Tymo will probably
leave, and Scwstgr. + Martinez + Gustl are not enough.

Maybe one of the Benders? Lars would be more likely, because
any BVB player will cost us at least 50 millions :-)

Joachim

 
 
 

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Post by Google Beta Use » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:21:31

Quote:

> BVB: How embarassing would it be to lose?

Would be funny if Dortmund end up beating Bayern in the final. OTOH, man, who wouldn't want Bayern to win if the make the final AGAIN? I wonder if Bayern would turn up terrified or motivated.

Do you see Dortmund consolidating clearly being the 2nd team (like Arsenal in the EPL in the mid-90s to early 00s) in the league, or will they suddenly fall off like Bremen, Wolfsburg and Stuttgart recently?

 
 
 

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Post by Sven Mischki » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:18:13


Quote:

> > BVB: How embarassing would it be to lose?

> Would be funny if Dortmund end up beating Bayern in the final. OTOH, man,
> who wouldn't want Bayern to win if the make the final AGAIN?

I, at least against Dortmund.

Quote:
> Do you see Dortmund consolidating clearly being the 2nd team (like Arsenal
>in the EPL in the mid-90s to early 00s) in the league, or will they
>suddenly fall off like Bremen, Wolfsburg and Stuttgart recently?

As long as they keep Klopp and don't change the management team they
will be up there challenging Bayern. Dortmund is not Bremen, they have
much larger potential.

Dortmund = In the Ruhr area, the most populous area in Germany, with
plenty of economy to sponsor them
Bremen = port city in rural area with low population and low incomes.
Bremen is notorious for its relative poverty, its by some distance the
poorest West German state.

It's like comparing Manchester or London with Ipswich or Norwich or
Middlesbrough.

Other places that could challenge Bayern at some point:

Schalke is similar (even more popular), but Dortmund has a more
cooperative media environment, I think, or at least a more professional
club structure - they generally seem to be more focussed than Schalke,
where there's more often turmoil within the club.

Berlin is of course the largest German city with 3m+ people, but suffers
from a similar situation as Bremen - the area around it is poor and not
populous. The biggest problem though is that in Berlin nobody can work
with numbers, the city is notorious for wasting and losing money, and so
are its clubs. Berlin is a disgrace for Germany. There are 2 clubs of
note: Hertha and Union. If either would somehow manage to work
consistently and professionally they could challenge Bayern in the long
run. But as I said, the city (and its media) are not conducive for
focussed, structured, professional work (don't ask me what I think that
means for Germany in the long run, after all this money drain is our
capital...).

Hamburg. Hamburg has always been independent (read about Germany's free
cities if you like) and proud of that and its hanseatic (business)
traditions, and is more English than any other German city. Due to trade
and the port its the richest major city in Germany, if not Europe
(depends on how you measure that, I guess), so it's easy to find
sponsors and to sell business seats. Population is large enough (1.8m)
and the surrounding area is richer than e.g. Bremen's due to Hamburg's
economy, and of course the draw is much stronger. So, the environment is
great, why does HSV not challenge? There's always something going on in
or around the club, and Hamburg's media tries to keep the fires going.
We had a professional management in the past (2003-2011 or so, B
Hoffmann and until 2007 D Beiersdorfer), but their personalities clashed
and the first team and trainers suffered from that. Our current
management is bollox, our board too large, incompetent and publicity
***ed - I don't have much hope that this will change any time soon.
There are internal power struggles in the club, too many pulling in too
many directions at once. It's one of the risks of being a membership
club. :) As long as that is the case HSV will be mediocre. As soon as
that changes HSV will start to challenge for the top.

Ciao,
        SM
--
Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

 
 
 

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Post by RED DEVI » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:21:23

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:21:31 -0700 (PDT), Google Beta User

Quote:


>> BVB: How embarassing would it be to lose?

>Would be funny if Dortmund end up beating Bayern in the final. OTOH, man,

who wouldn't want Bayern to win if the make the final AGAIN? I wonder
if Bayern would turn up terrified or motivated.
Quote:

>Do you see Dortmund consolidating clearly being the 2nd team (like Arsena

l in the EPL in the mid-90s to early 00s) in the league, or will they
suddenly fall off like Bremen, Wolfsburg and Stuttgart recently?

All Spanish final with Real winning comfortably

 
 
 

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Post by Binder Dunda » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:35:03



Quote:


> > > BVB: How embarassing would it be to lose?

> > Would be funny if Dortmund end up beating Bayern in the final. OTOH, man,
> > who wouldn't want Bayern to win if the make the final AGAIN?

> I, at least against Dortmund.

> > Do you see Dortmund consolidating clearly being the 2nd team (like Arsenal
> >in the EPL in the mid-90s to early 00s) in the league, or will they
> >suddenly fall off like Bremen, Wolfsburg and Stuttgart recently?

> As long as they keep Klopp and don't change the management team they
> will be up there challenging Bayern. Dortmund is not Bremen, they have
> much larger potential.

> Dortmund = In the Ruhr area, the most populous area in Germany, with
> plenty of economy to sponsor them
> Bremen = port city in rural area with low population and low incomes.
> Bremen is notorious for its relative poverty, its by some distance the
> poorest West German state.

Really?
That is news to me?  You ever been down to the Mannheim Ludwigshafen
area?

There is plenty of poverty in places like Frankfurt as well, even if
you only see a lot of nice cars driving around.  I dont know where you
are coming up with your ideas?  You have to factor in income as well
as cost of living, housing, transport, utilities etc to get an idea of
what is poor, not just a bunch of rich people living in a city
boosting up numbers.  Hamburg is an expensive place to live.  I can
get a lot more with my Euro elsewhere, even Berlin.

Quote:

> It's like comparing Manchester or London with Ipswich or Norwich or
> Middlesbrough.

> Other places that could challenge Bayern at some point:

> Schalke is similar (even more popular), but Dortmund has a more
> cooperative media environment, I think, or at least a more professional
> club structure - they generally seem to be more focussed than Schalke,
> where there's more often turmoil within the club.

The Ruhr has lots of resources, it does not always mean that the
people have a higher standard of living.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> Berlin is of course the largest German city with 3m+ people, but suffers
> from a similar situation as Bremen - the area around it is poor and not
> populous. The biggest problem though is that in Berlin nobody can work
> with numbers, the city is notorious for wasting and losing money, and so
> are its clubs. Berlin is a disgrace for Germany. There are 2 clubs of
> note: Hertha and Union. If either would somehow manage to work
> consistently and professionally they could challenge Bayern in the long
> run. But as I said, the city (and its media) are not conducive for
> focussed, structured, professional work (don't ask me what I think that
> means for Germany in the long run, after all this money drain is our
> capital...).

> Hamburg. Hamburg has always been independent (read about Germany's free
> cities if you like) and proud of that and its Hanseatic (business)
> traditions, and is more English than any other German city. Due to trade
> and the port its the richest major city in Germany, if not Europe
> (depends on how you measure that, I guess), so it's easy to find

Bremen is also a Hanseatic state, even if the Port is smaller, it is
kind of like saying Rotterdam must be more wealthy then Amsterdam or
Hamburg because it has a bigger port.  Bremen is smaller but has
universities and other business, yes Hamburg is big and has most of
the German media outlets and some big businesses and whatnot, and
probably does have more wealth, but it also has a lot more poorer
people then Bremen.  Bigger divide in Hamburg between the poor and the
rich.
You are making it sound like Bremen is Greece.

Quote:
> sponsors and to sell business seats. Population is large enough (1.8m)
> and the surrounding area is richer than e.g. Bremen's due to Hamburg's
> economy, and of course the draw is much stronger. So, the environment is
> great, why does HSV not challenge? There's always something going on in
> or around the club, and Hamburg's media tries to keep the fires going.
> We had a professional management in the past (2003-2011 or so, B
> Hoffmann and until 2007 D Beiersdorfer), but their personalities clashed
> and the first team and trainers suffered from that. Our current
> management is bollox, our board too large, incompetent and publicity
> ***ed - I don't have much hope that this will change any time soon.
> There are internal power struggles in the club, too many pulling in too
> many directions at once. It's one of the risks of being a membership
> club. :) As long as that is the case HSV will be mediocre. As soon as
> that changes HSV will start to challenge for the top.

You are just making up reasons now.  Sort of like you were making up
your economic forecast of Bremen.  Mannheim and Ludwigshafen must be
rich too, according to your rationale?

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> Ciao,
> ? ? ? ? SM
> --
> Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

 
 
 

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Post by Sven Mischki » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:48:28

Quote:

> > Dortmund = In the Ruhr area, the most populous area in Germany, with
> > plenty of economy to sponsor them
> > Bremen = port city in rural area with low population and low incomes.
> > Bremen is notorious for its relative poverty, its by some distance the
> > poorest West German state.

> Really?
> That is news to me?  You ever been down to the Mannheim Ludwigshafen
> area?

> There is plenty of poverty in places like Frankfurt as well, even if
> you only see a lot of nice cars driving around.  I dont know where you
> are coming up with your ideas?  You have to factor in income as well
> as cost of living, housing, transport, utilities etc to get an idea of
> what is poor, not just a bunch of rich people living in a city
> boosting up numbers.  Hamburg is an expensive place to live.  I can
> get a lot more with my Euro elsewhere, even Berlin.

Unemployment figures for German countries:

http://SportToday.org/
quote-in-deutschland-nach-bundeslaendern/

Bremen has always been the top one for Western Germany.

The cost of living matters as well, as you say - there where there is no
work the CoL will be low, and with it the ticket prices. Ticket prices
in Hamburg can be much higher than in Bremen.

Quote:
> > It's like comparing Manchester or London with Ipswich or Norwich or
> > Middlesbrough.

> > Other places that could challenge Bayern at some point:

> > Schalke is similar (even more popular), but Dortmund has a more
> > cooperative media environment, I think, or at least a more professional
> > club structure - they generally seem to be more focussed than Schalke,
> > where there's more often turmoil within the club.

> The Ruhr has lots of resources, it does not always mean that the
> people have a higher standard of living.

There are lots of companies willing to sponsor football, and even more
people to pay high ticket prices. Of course Dortmund's ticket prices are
relatively low, but that is a policy of hte club, they could make much
more money if they wanted to.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> > Berlin is of course the largest German city with 3m+ people, but suffers
> > from a similar situation as Bremen - the area around it is poor and not
> > populous. The biggest problem though is that in Berlin nobody can work
> > with numbers, the city is notorious for wasting and losing money, and so
> > are its clubs. Berlin is a disgrace for Germany. There are 2 clubs of
> > note: Hertha and Union. If either would somehow manage to work
> > consistently and professionally they could challenge Bayern in the long
> > run. But as I said, the city (and its media) are not conducive for
> > focussed, structured, professional work (don't ask me what I think that
> > means for Germany in the long run, after all this money drain is our
> > capital...).

> > Hamburg. Hamburg has always been independent (read about Germany's free
> > cities if you like) and proud of that and its Hanseatic (business)
> > traditions, and is more English than any other German city. Due to trade
> > and the port its the richest major city in Germany, if not Europe
> > (depends on how you measure that, I guess), so it's easy to find

> Bremen is also a Hanseatic state, even if the Port is smaller, it is
> kind of like saying Rotterdam must be more wealthy then Amsterdam or
> Hamburg because it has a bigger port.  Bremen is smaller but has
> universities and other business, yes Hamburg is big and has most of
> the German media outlets and some big businesses and whatnot, and
> probably does have more wealth, but it also has a lot more poorer
> people then Bremen.  Bigger divide in Hamburg between the poor and the
> rich.

Yeah, it's too simplistic to say it's down just to the port. You are
probably right regarding the divide.

Quote:
> You are making it sound like Bremen is Greece.

But Bremen is Germany's Greece (Berlin is Germany's Cyprus ;)). It has
been verging on bankruptcy on and off for 20 years now. The social
payments due ot the high unemployment rate *** the city.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> > sponsors and to sell business seats. Population is large enough (1.8m)
> > and the surrounding area is richer than e.g. Bremen's due to Hamburg's
> > economy, and of course the draw is much stronger. So, the environment is
> > great, why does HSV not challenge? There's always something going on in
> > or around the club, and Hamburg's media tries to keep the fires going.
> > We had a professional management in the past (2003-2011 or so, B
> > Hoffmann and until 2007 D Beiersdorfer), but their personalities clashed
> > and the first team and trainers suffered from that. Our current
> > management is bollox, our board too large, incompetent and publicity
> > ***ed - I don't have much hope that this will change any time soon.
> > There are internal power struggles in the club, too many pulling in too
> > many directions at once. It's one of the risks of being a membership
> > club. :) As long as that is the case HSV will be mediocre. As soon as
> > that changes HSV will start to challenge for the top.

> You are just making up reasons now.  Sort of like you were making up
> your economic forecast of Bremen.  Mannheim and Ludwigshafen must be
> rich too, according to your rationale?

http://SportToday.org/
egionen/BA-Gebietsstruktur/Baden-Wuerttemberg/Mannheim-Nav.html

http://SportToday.org/
egionen/BA-Gebietsstruktur/Rheinland-Pfalz-Saarland/Ludwigshafen-Nav.htm
l

Both Mannheim's and Ludwigshafen's unemployment rates are barely more
than half of Bremen's.

Ciao,
        SM
--
Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

 
 
 

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Post by Werner Pichle » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:00:15


Quote:

> > You are just making up reasons now. ?Sort of like you were making up
> > your economic forecast of Bremen. ?Mannheim and Ludwigshafen must be
> > rich too, according to your rationale?

> http://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/Navigation/Statistik/Statistik-nach-R
> egionen/BA-Gebietsstruktur/Baden-Wuerttemberg/Mannheim-Nav.html

> http://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/Navigation/Statistik/Statistik-nach-R
> egionen/BA-Gebietsstruktur/Rheinland-Pfalz-Saarland/Ludwigshafen-Nav.htm
> l

> Both Mannheim's and Ludwigshafen's unemployment rates are barely more
> than half of Bremen's.

So is that why they are so reluctant to fire Schaaf?

Ciao,
Werner

 
 
 

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Post by Binder Dunda » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:42:05

Bah!  Phony made up statistics, by the South leaning secret
statisticians societies.  I dont believe those numbers.
Half of Mannheim/Ludwigshafen has been unemployed for years, it is
like Germany's Detroit.  Half the castles have boarded up windows!



Quote:

> > > Dortmund = In the Ruhr area, the most populous area in Germany, with
> > > plenty of economy to sponsor them
> > > Bremen = port city in rural area with low population and low incomes.
> > > Bremen is notorious for its relative poverty, its by some distance the
> > > poorest West German state.

> > Really?
> > That is news to me? ?You ever been down to the Mannheim Ludwigshafen
> > area?

> > There is plenty of poverty in places like Frankfurt as well, even if
> > you only see a lot of nice cars driving around. ?I dont know where you
> > are coming up with your ideas? ?You have to factor in income as well
> > as cost of living, housing, transport, utilities etc to get an idea of
> > what is poor, not just a bunch of rich people living in a city
> > boosting up numbers. ?Hamburg is an expensive place to live. ?I can
> > get a lot more with my Euro elsewhere, even Berlin.

> Unemployment figures for German countries:

> http://SportToday.org/
> quote-in-deutschland-nach-bundeslaendern/

> Bremen has always been the top one for Western Germany.

> The cost of living matters as well, as you say - there where there is no
> work the CoL will be low, and with it the ticket prices. Ticket prices
> in Hamburg can be much higher than in Bremen.

> > > It's like comparing Manchester or London with Ipswich or Norwich or
> > > Middlesbrough.

> > > Other places that could challenge Bayern at some point:

> > > Schalke is similar (even more popular), but Dortmund has a more
> > > cooperative media environment, I think, or at least a more professional
> > > club structure - they generally seem to be more focussed than Schalke,
> > > where there's more often turmoil within the club.

> > The Ruhr has lots of resources, it does not always mean that the
> > people have a higher standard of living.

> There are lots of companies willing to sponsor football, and even more
> people to pay high ticket prices. Of course Dortmund's ticket prices are
> relatively low, but that is a policy of hte club, they could make much
> more money if they wanted to.

> > > Berlin is of course the largest German city with 3m+ people, but suffers
> > > from a similar situation as Bremen - the area around it is poor and not
> > > populous. The biggest problem though is that in Berlin nobody can work
> > > with numbers, the city is notorious for wasting and losing money, and so
> > > are its clubs. Berlin is a disgrace for Germany. There are 2 clubs of
> > > note: Hertha and Union. If either would somehow manage to work
> > > consistently and professionally they could challenge Bayern in the long
> > > run. But as I said, the city (and its media) are not conducive for
> > > focussed, structured, professional work (don't ask me what I think that
> > > means for Germany in the long run, after all this money drain is our
> > > capital...).

> > > Hamburg. Hamburg has always been independent (read about Germany's free
> > > cities if you like) and proud of that and its Hanseatic (business)
> > > traditions, and is more English than any other German city. Due to trade
> > > and the port its the richest major city in Germany, if not Europe
> > > (depends on how you measure that, I guess), so it's easy to find

> > Bremen is also a Hanseatic state, even if the Port is smaller, it is
> > kind of like saying Rotterdam must be more wealthy then Amsterdam or
> > Hamburg because it has a bigger port. ?Bremen is smaller but has
> > universities and other business, yes Hamburg is big and has most of
> > the German media outlets and some big businesses and whatnot, and
> > probably does have more wealth, but it also has a lot more poorer
> > people then Bremen. ?Bigger divide in Hamburg between the poor and the
> > rich.

> Yeah, it's too simplistic to say it's down just to the port. You are
> probably right regarding the divide.

> > You are making it sound like Bremen is Greece.

> But Bremen is Germany's Greece (Berlin is Germany's Cyprus ;)). It has
> been verging on bankruptcy on and off for 20 years now. The social
> payments due ot the high unemployment rate *** the city.

> > > sponsors and to sell business seats. Population is large enough (1.8m)
> > > and the surrounding area is richer than e.g. Bremen's due to Hamburg's
> > > economy, and of course the draw is much stronger. So, the environment is
> > > great, why does HSV not challenge? There's always something going on in
> > > or around the club, and Hamburg's media tries to keep the fires going.
> > > We had a professional management in the past (2003-2011 or so, B
> > > Hoffmann and until 2007 D Beiersdorfer), but their personalities clashed
> > > and the first team and trainers suffered from that. Our current
> > > management is bollox, our board too large, incompetent and publicity
> > > ***ed - I don't have much hope that this will change any time soon.
> > > There are internal power struggles in the club, too many pulling in too
> > > many directions at once. It's one of the risks of being a membership
> > > club. :) As long as that is the case HSV will be mediocre. As soon as
> > > that changes HSV will start to challenge for the top.

> > You are just making up reasons now. ?Sort of like you were making up
> > your economic forecast of Bremen. ?Mannheim and Ludwigshafen must be
> > rich too, according to your rationale?

> http://SportToday.org/
> egionen/BA-Gebietsstruktur/Baden-Wuerttemberg/Mannheim-Nav.html

> http://SportToday.org/
> egionen/BA-Gebietsstruktur/Rheinland-Pfalz-Saarland/Ludwigshafen-Nav.htm
> l

> Both Mannheim's and Ludwigshafen's unemployment rates are barely more
> than half of Bremen's.

> Ciao,
> ? ? ? ? SM
> --
> Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

 
 
 

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Post by Sven Mischki » Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:37:08

Quote:

> Half the castles have boarded up windows!

:D

Ciao,
        SM
--
Avoid Santander, the magic bank that makes money disappear.

 
 
 

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Post by Bruce D. Scot » Mon, 15 Apr 2013 01:45:06

|>> |> Emre Can? :-)

I didn't know him until this afternoon!  So maybe he can develop into
such a player, but next year looks to me to be too soon.

|> I'm assuming that Gustl will stay with us. Tymo will probably
|> leave, and Scwstgr. + Martinez + Gustl are not enough.

I agree...

|> Maybe one of the Benders? Lars would be more likely, because
|> any BVB player will cost us at least 50 millions :-)

...but the Benders are also rans.  Good enough for '60 though :-)

It has to be someone at least as good as Tymo if not better.  The fact
we could put him in the back as well has been a big plus.  Too bad
Heynckes didn't realise it for 90+ minutes last year.

--
ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence:  http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/

 
 
 

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Post by Bruce D. Scot » Mon, 15 Apr 2013 01:46:52


|> Would be funny if Dortmund end up beating Bayern in the final.

Would be the most utter of disasters

|> Do you see Dortmund consolidating clearly being the 2nd team (like
   Arsenal in the EPL in the mid-90s to early 00s) in the league, or
   will they suddenly fall off like Bremen, Wolfsburg and Stuttgart
   recently?  

They'll stay there 1 or 2 more years, and will fade as soon as they make
the same mistake as in the 1990s (mob Hitzfeld away, go crazy with money
and salaries, then the first off year does them in).

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ciao,
Bruce

drift wave turbulence:  http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/