EPR News: Football League Championship Final

EPR News: Football League Championship Final

Post by Rob Maxwel » Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:17:21


English Promotion and Relegation Part 0: The Daily News: Tuesday 31 May 2005
==============================================================

FL Championship: West Ham return to Prem.

  .Matthew Etherington crossed back from near the right post and Bobby
Zamora slammed the pass into the back of the net at the 57th minute for a
1-0 win in the Coca-Cola Football League Championship Play-Off Finals at
Cardiff, Wales' Millennium Stadium. The win sends the Hammers back to the
Barclays Premiership after a two-year absence following a 10 year presence
in the Prem whilst extending Preston North End's First Division absence to
now 45 years.

   Preston received late hope when West Ham keeper Jimmy Walker made a
disastrous mistake with just minutes remaining when he jumped up into the
air on the edge of the penalty box to grab the ball only to fall badly
outside of the box. Not only did he get a handball yellow card for carrying
the ball out of the box but apparently tore up his knee with an awkward
landing. His replacement, Stephen Bywater, snagged the ensuing free-kick,
that had cleared the wall, for his only needed effort of the remaining 3
minutes plus 7 minutes of injury time to secure the Hammers return.
.........................................................................................

Play-Off and England Fixtures w/ TV listings
--------------------------------------------------------------

Mon 30 May 2005
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Coca-Cola Football League Championship
-------------------------
Preston North End 0-1 West Ham United

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Tue 31 May 2005
============
Columbia v England
(LIVE - Sky Sports 1 - 8.00 pm BST)
(LIVE - PPV - 3.00 pm EDT)
(Delay - FSC + FSe Fri 8:00 pm EDT)

.............................................................................................

Sun 05 June 2005
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UEFA Women's Championship 2005
-------------------------
England v Finland
(LIVE - BBC2 7:00 pm BST)
(LIVE - FSC 2:00 pm EDT)

.............................................................................................

Upcoming:
------------------
UEFA Fair Play Draw. (Early next week)
Northwich Victoria Ground Grading deadline. (A few days)
Liverpool's UEFA Champions League appeal. (2 weeks or less)

Part 0: EPR News
Part 1: League Football
Part 2: Conference
Part 3: Step 3 & 4
Part 4: Step 5
Part 5: The Short List

-Rob

 
 
 

EPR News: Football League Championship Final

Post by Elko Tcherne » Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:07:26

Heh, I just now realized how strange the playoff format for entering the
Premiership is (I had not payed attention before).
Actually, not strange - it seems outright unfair to me. Mixing
tournament with elimination is quite inconsistent. See what happened -
the Hammers were the "weakest" of the four, but managed to eliminate the
rest. They should be given no chance to begin with. The "fair" way of
doing things, is to either promote / eliminate outright - bottom 3 out,
top 3 in, or make a playoff between a premiership and a championship
team. In this case Norwich and Southampton out, Sunderland and Wigan in,
and Crystal Palace plays off Ipswich.

Quote:

> English Promotion and Relegation Part 0: The Daily News: Tuesday 31 May 2005
> ==============================================================

> FL Championship: West Ham return to Prem.

>   .Matthew Etherington crossed back from near the right post and Bobby
> Zamora slammed the pass into the back of the net at the 57th minute for a
> 1-0 win in the Coca-Cola Football League Championship Play-Off Finals at
> Cardiff, Wales' Millennium Stadium. The win sends the Hammers back to the
> Barclays Premiership after a two-year absence following a 10 year presence
> in the Prem whilst extending Preston North End's First Division absence to
> now 45 years.

>    Preston received late hope when West Ham keeper Jimmy Walker made a
> disastrous mistake with just minutes remaining when he jumped up into the
> air on the edge of the penalty box to grab the ball only to fall badly
> outside of the box. Not only did he get a handball yellow card for carrying
> the ball out of the box but apparently tore up his knee with an awkward
> landing. His replacement, Stephen Bywater, snagged the ensuing free-kick,
> that had cleared the wall, for his only needed effort of the remaining 3
> minutes plus 7 minutes of injury time to secure the Hammers return.
> .........................................................................................

> Play-Off and England Fixtures w/ TV listings
> --------------------------------------------------------------

> Mon 30 May 2005
> ============

> Coca-Cola Football League Championship
> -------------------------
> Preston North End 0-1 West Ham United


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EPR News: Football League Championship Final

Post by James Farra » Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:54:37

Quote:

> Heh, I just now realized how strange the playoff format for entering the
> Premiership is (I had not payed attention before).
> Actually, not strange - it seems outright unfair to me. Mixing
> tournament with elimination is quite inconsistent. See what happened -
> the Hammers were the "weakest" of the four, but managed to eliminate the
> rest. They should be given no chance to begin with. The "fair" way of
> doing things, is to either promote / eliminate outright - bottom 3 out,
> top 3 in, or make a playoff between a premiership and a championship
> team. In this case Norwich and Southampton out, Sunderland and Wigan in,
> and Crystal Palace plays off Ipswich.

The playoff system has been in place for, I believe, six*** years, during which
time the promotion from level two to level one (in whatever name) has resulted
in promotion for the last-placed playoff team six times and the next-to-last
team six times. [Source: BBC Radio Five Live last night]

No, it's not fair. It was introduced to combat the same problem that the Premier
League is now complaining about: too many meaningless mid-table games in the
second half of the season. I don't think it's going away any time soon,
expecially now that there are playoffs all the way down to level 8.

 
 
 

EPR News: Football League Championship Final

Post by pharr » Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:03:53


Quote:

>> Heh, I just now realized how strange the playoff format for entering the
>> Premiership is (I had not payed attention before).
>> Actually, not strange - it seems outright unfair to me. Mixing tournament
>> with elimination is quite inconsistent. See what happened - the Hammers
>> were the "weakest" of the four, but managed to eliminate the rest. They
>> should be given no chance to begin with. The "fair" way of doing things,
>> is to either promote / eliminate outright - bottom 3 out, top 3 in, or
>> make a playoff between a premiership and a championship team. In this
>> case Norwich and Southampton out, Sunderland and Wigan in, and Crystal
>> Palace plays off Ipswich.

> The playoff system has been in place for, I believe, six*** years, during
> which time the promotion from level two to level one (in whatever name)
> has resulted in promotion for the last-placed playoff team six times and
> the next-to-last team six times. [Source: BBC Radio Five Live last night]

> No, it's not fair. It was introduced to combat the same problem that the
> Premier League is now complaining about: too many meaningless mid-table
> games in the second half of the season. I don't think it's going away any
> time soon, expecially now that there are playoffs all the way down to
> level 8.

The team finishing third in the championship is well aware of the need to be
top 2 in order to ensure promotion. What would be unfair is if the playoffs
were for all 3 places rather than just the third one.

pharro

 
 
 

EPR News: Football League Championship Final

Post by Elko Tcherne » Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:33:45

Quote:

> Quoting pharro in rec.sport.soccer:

>>The team finishing third in the championship is well aware of the need to be
>>top 2 in order to ensure promotion. What would be unfair is if the playoffs
>>were for all 3 places rather than just the third one.

> I think calling it /unfair/ is a bit of a stretch. Every team knows about
> it beforehand. Every team can choose their strategy beforehand and plan (or
> choose not to plan) their form accordingly.

> /Illogical/ is a better word, imo.

     Agreed. To me, illogical *is* unfair ;)

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EPR News: Football League Championship Final

Post by pharr » Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:37:29


Quote:
> Quoting James Farrar in rec.sport.soccer:

>>The playoff system has been in place for, I believe, six*** years, during
>>which
>>time the promotion from level two to level one (in whatever name) has
>>resulted
>>in promotion for the last-placed playoff team six times and the
>>next-to-last
>>team six times. [Source: BBC Radio Five Live last night]

>>No, it's not fair. It was introduced to combat the same problem that the
>>Premier
>>League is now complaining about: too many meaningless mid-table games in
>>the
>>second half of the season. I don't think it's going away any time soon,
>>expecially now that there are playoffs all the way down to level 8.

> Two suggestions on how to give the better placed teams some advantage:

> 1 Single game, home game for the better placed team.

> 2 Three legs: home game in the 1st and 3rd game for the better placed
>  team. 3rd game if equal points after two (don't count goals diff).

Thing is, looking at the home and away semi final leg, West Ham as the lower
placed team blew a 2 goal lead at home to draw and then won the away leg so
most likely they would have advanced regardless of your model.

pharro