Wigan and Chimbonda

Wigan and Chimbonda

Post by alkami.. » Mon, 15 May 2006 11:29:45


http://SportToday.org/

"Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has warned Pascal Chimbonda will be left to
rot in the reserves unless a club is willing to pay 6million for the
want-away French defender."

Has Whelan lost his mind? What Pascal did may not have been in great
taste but come on. He's just being a bitter ***ing *** because
Chimbonda wants to move to greener pastures. The timing of Chimbonda's
transfer request may have been bad but is it probably just an honest
misjudgement. Someone needs to ***-slap Whelan.

 
 
 

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Post by Jussi Uosukaine » Mon, 15 May 2006 20:00:15


Quote:

> http://SportToday.org/

> "Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has warned Pascal Chimbonda will be left to
> rot in the reserves unless a club is willing to pay 6million for the
> want-away French defender."

> Has Whelan lost his mind? What Pascal did may not have been in great
> taste but come on. He's just being a bitter ***ing *** because
> Chimbonda wants to move to greener pastures. The timing of Chimbonda's
> transfer request may have been bad but is it probably just an honest
> misjudgement. Someone needs to ***-slap Whelan.

No, I agree with Whelan here, someone should show angents and players
that they cannot do whatever they want.

/(jussi

 
 
 

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Post by Paul » Mon, 15 May 2006 20:07:55


Quote:

>http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0507/chimbondap.html

>"Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has warned Pascal Chimbonda will be left to
>rot in the reserves unless a club is willing to pay 6million for the
>want-away French defender."

Chimbonda has just been named in the French World Cup squad.

 
 
 

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Post by Ken Overto » Mon, 15 May 2006 22:38:24

Quote:

> http://SportToday.org/

> <snip> Someone needs to ***-slap Whelan.

I don't see it. Chimbonda acts like a cranky child and demands a
transfer in spite of 2 years remaining on a contract.  The boss intends
to give him what he wants, but *gasp* expects to get something in
return, and makes a stand that he won't take a loss on this player just
because he's being a little ***.

I don't see many people with real jobs who can get away with behavior
like that.

 
 
 

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Post by RED DEVI » Tue, 16 May 2006 00:08:50

On Sun, 14 May 2006 11:00:15 +0000 (UTC), Jussi Uosukainen

Quote:


>> http://SportToday.org/

>> "Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has warned Pascal Chimbonda will be left to
>> rot in the reserves unless a club is willing to pay 6million for the
>> want-away French defender."

>> Has Whelan lost his mind? What Pascal did may not have been in great
>> taste but come on. He's just being a bitter ***ing *** because
>> Chimbonda wants to move to greener pastures. The timing of Chimbonda's
>> transfer request may have been bad but is it probably just an honest
>> misjudgement. Someone needs to ***-slap Whelan.

>No, I agree with Whelan here, someone should show angents and players
>that they cannot do whatever they want.

>/(jussi

I agree also. Someone has to stand up against these agents (who I
place most the blame on).
 
 
 

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Post by alkami.. » Tue, 16 May 2006 01:00:14

Quote:
> No, I agree with Whelan here, someone should show angents and players
> that they cannot do whatever they want.

*What* did he do? He handed in a transfer request. Have you heard of
people switching jobs to make more money to secure their futures? Why
should footballers be held to wildly different standards than the rest
of the workforce?
 
 
 

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Post by alkami.. » Tue, 16 May 2006 01:17:05

Quote:


> > http://SportToday.org/

> > <snip> Someone needs to ***-slap Whelan.

> I don't see it. Chimbonda acts like a cranky child and demands a
> transfer in spite of 2 years remaining on a contract.

Please explain how Chimbonda acted "like a cranky child." All he did
was hand in a transfer request. It was mainly the timing of the request
which irked (to put it mildly) Jewell and Whelan. So basically had
Chimbonda waited another few days to do this then all would have been
fine (or so Jewell claims). What's the big deal?

Chimbonda doesnt owe Wigan shit. They didnt sign him out of any
charitable impulse to give him a bigger stage, they signed a player who
they thought will help them in the Premiership. He did that and a ton
more. He's 27 and if he feels that he needs a bigger challenge and more
money to secure his and his family's future then all the power to him.

Quote:
> The boss intends
> to give him what he wants, but *gasp* expects to get something in
> return, and makes a stand that he won't take a loss on this player just
> because he's being a little ***.

What does the boss want in return, a ***? Based on Tottenham's last
offer Wigan already stands to make a 2.5 million pound profit on him.
But no, he wants a 5.5 million pound profit on the player. Poor Whelan,
my heart really goes out to him. And the main point of contention isnt
even that Whelan wants more money for him, it's that he wants him to
rot in the reserves till his asking price is met.

Quote:

> I don't see many people with real jobs who can get away with behavior
> like that.

You've got to be kidding me. People dont switch jobs for more money and
prestige?
 
 
 

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Post by ken.over.. » Tue, 16 May 2006 01:50:52

Quote:
> > I don't see many people with real jobs who can get away with behavior
> > like that.

> You've got to be kidding me. People dont switch jobs for more money and
> prestige?

With. A. Contract.
 
 
 

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Post by alkami.. » Tue, 16 May 2006 03:25:49

Quote:
>> You've got to be kidding me. People dont switch jobs for more money and
>> prestige?
>With. A. Contract.

People dont switch jobs for more money and prestige when they're under
a contract?

Are you saying that because Chimbonda put in a transfer request while
under contract it makes him a "***" and a "cranky child"?

 
 
 

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Post by Jussi Uosukaine » Tue, 16 May 2006 05:35:41


Quote:

> > No, I agree with Whelan here, someone should show angents and players
> > that they cannot do whatever they want.

> *What* did he do? He handed in a transfer request. Have you heard of
> people switching jobs to make more money to secure their futures? Why
> should footballers be held to wildly different standards than the rest
> of the workforce?

There are two issues here. The first one is Chimbondas despicable
timing, for which I would let him rot in the resreves for two years for,
if I could afford it.

The second is the way players and agents are manipulating clubs these
days. Just look at the information from the italian wiretaps, where Juve
officials confess to pressuring Ibrahimovich to force Ajax to sell him.
Chimbonda has pretty much told Wigan (the team that gave him his brake
with the big boys _and_ his chance to make the WC squad) that he will
not play for them anymore, that he wants a transfer. This _one year_
after signing a _three year_ contract, for a sum that he was happy with.

If I made a 4 year deal with an employer, and halfway thru decided I
wanted a new challenge, the employer wouyld pretty much tell me to put
my nose to the job and quit whining.

I think players (and clubs) should value the contracts they have made.
Chimbondas behaviour was disgusting and a spit in the face of his
employer. Getting rid of agents and giving harsh punishments for tapping
up would be a step in the right direction.

/jussi

 
 
 

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Post by MH » Tue, 16 May 2006 06:05:53

Quote:


>>>No, I agree with Whelan here, someone should show angents and players
>>>that they cannot do whatever they want.

>>*What* did he do? He handed in a transfer request. Have you heard of
>>people switching jobs to make more money to secure their futures? Why
>>should footballers be held to wildly different standards than the rest
>>of the workforce?

> There are two issues here. The first one is Chimbondas despicable
> timing, for which I would let him rot in the resreves for two years for,
> if I could afford it.

> The second is the way players and agents are manipulating clubs these
> days. Just look at the information from the italian wiretaps, where Juve
> officials confess to pressuring Ibrahimovich to force Ajax to sell him.
> Chimbonda has pretty much told Wigan (the team that gave him his brake
> with the big boys _and_ his chance to make the WC squad) that he will
> not play for them anymore, that he wants a transfer. This _one year_
> after signing a _three year_ contract, for a sum that he was happy with.

> If I made a 4 year deal with an employer, and halfway thru decided I
> wanted a new challenge, the employer wouyld pretty much tell me to put
> my nose to the job and quit whining.

I don't think that is entirely true. You can leave most jobs after a
certain amount of notice. One month is fairly common.  I wouldn't have
any qualms about leaving my current position for a better offer, though
in fairness I would give six months notice (not required, though). On
the other hand, in many jobs you can also be terminated without all that
much notice either.

There are differences with football in that players get paid for the
full length of their contract whether they play or not, injured or not.

The best solution maybe be to set buy out clauses automatically based on
length and value of contract.  -eg. fee equals 3 or 4 times the total
remaining salary on the contract.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> I think players (and clubs) should value the contracts they have made.
> Chimbondas behaviour was disgusting and a spit in the face of his
> employer. Getting rid of agents and giving harsh punishments for tapping
> up would be a step in the right direction.

> /jussi

 
 
 

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Post by alkami.. » Tue, 16 May 2006 09:57:41

Quote:


> > > No, I agree with Whelan here, someone should show angents and players
> > > that they cannot do whatever they want.

> > *What* did he do? He handed in a transfer request. Have you heard of
> > people switching jobs to make more money to secure their futures? Why
> > should footballers be held to wildly different standards than the rest
> > of the workforce?

> There are two issues here. The first one is Chimbondas despicable
> timing, for which I would let him rot in the resreves for two years for,
> if I could afford it.

Dude, lighten up. Bad timing? Yes. Bad judgement? Yes. Bad intentions?
Probably not. Looking out for the best interests of his future?
Absolutely.
It's easy to take the high m***ground from an armchair. Do you know
where Pascal comes from or what he's had to deal with or how his mind
functions? Before you can answer yes to all those questions I'd suggest
you put a moratorium on condemning him to eternal damnation.

Quote:

> The second is the way players and agents are manipulating clubs these
> days. Just look at the information from the italian wiretaps, where Juve
> officials confess to pressuring Ibrahimovich to force Ajax to sell him.
> Chimbonda has pretty much told Wigan (the team that gave him his brake
> with the big boys _and_ his chance to make the WC squad) that he will
> not play for them anymore, that he wants a transfer. This _one year_
> after signing a _three year_ contract, for a sum that he was happy with.

Wigan didnt sign him out of any charitable gesture, they signed him
because he would be an asset to them. Let's not overplay the "they gave
him a chance" facade.

Quote:

> If I made a 4 year deal with an employer, and halfway thru decided I
> wanted a new challenge, the employer wouyld pretty much tell me to put
> my nose to the job and quit whining.

And in that case I would tell my employer to *** off. Unless of
course I lived in North Korea, in which case it might cost me my head,
literally. But neither you nor Chimbonda live in North Korea.
A contract is a legal agreement, and there are legal ways to
circumvent, nullify, or cancel that agreement. Chimbonda put in a
transfer request. There's nothing wrong with that, unless he threatened
to stop playing if his demands werent met. And to my knowledge he has
not done that.

Quote:

> I think players (and clubs) should value the contracts they have made.
> Chimbondas behaviour was disgusting and a spit in the face of his
> employer. Getting rid of agents and giving harsh punishments for tapping
> up would be a step in the right direction.

I would have done the exact same thing that he has done, but maybe with
more strategic timing. He didnt spit in Wigan's face, he just wanted to
look out for his future and made some errors in judgment. A lot of
these players come form the proverbial gutter. They see their 10-15
year professional careers as a window to make as much money as they
can.
A year or so the story of Winston Bogarde came to the fore. He was
being criticized because he rotted in Chelsea's reserves for 3 years
seeing out his contract and refusing a transfer because his salary was
so high. When they asked him why he'd do such an "unhonorable" thing,
he responded by saying that he grew up in a dirt poor family with 8 or
9 siblings who were hungry half the time. He added that when you grow
up in that kind of destitute environment, you never ever turn down an
opportunity to make as much money as you can (and all of it legally). I
dont know what kind of background Chimbonda came from, but I find it
funny when people sit on their couches and judge these guys over
contracts, and right and wrong, when they know so little about their
backgrounds and motivations.
 
 
 

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Post by Huw Morri » Tue, 16 May 2006 17:10:52

Quote:

> No, I agree with Whelan here, someone should show angents and players
> that they cannot do whatever they want.

And strangely enough, it always seems to be the same agent. If I was a
manager or chairman of a club, I would refuse to deal with any player
represented by Willie McKay.

Huw

 
 
 

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Post by ken.over.. » Tue, 16 May 2006 21:18:58

I'm saying as a contractor, when you try to break a contract it will
cost you.  It's childish to expect it not to.
 
 
 

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Post by Huw Morri » Tue, 16 May 2006 21:30:46

Quote:

> I'm saying as a contractor, when you try to break a contract it will
> cost you.  It's childish to expect it not to.

Surely all that matters here, from a legal point of view, is European
employment law. What is childish about that? Under European law, any
employee can terminate his employment with a period of notice, which I
think, but don't quote me on this, is three months. So far, nobody has had
cause to take their club to the European Court over this, as Bosman did,
but there's no doubt in my mind that if a club refused to allow an
under-contract player to resign, the player could take it to the European
Court and would win.

People said that Bosman would mean the end of transfer fees. To be honest,
I'm amazed that that hasn't happened. I still can't see why any club would
pay a transfer fee, or why any player would agree to move before the end of
his contract. I can't understand fans who criticise players for unloyalty
for refusing to sign a new contract, and leave on a Bosman, as Sol Campbell
or Steve MacManaman did.

I'm even more surprised that nobody has pushed this issue. The player who
did do it would likely find it to be the end of his career, such is the
slow pace of the European Court, but the ramifications would be huge. They
would be terrible for football, but very very good for the players.

Huw