OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Paul Bro » Fri, 05 Jul 1996 04:00:00


The Offside law, cause of much consternation, is to be removed from the rules
of the game for the 1996/97 season.

This is one of the decisions of field hockey's ruling body as they enter a new
season for their sport.  As the rule in hockey is currently implemented in the
same way as that of football (i.e. two defenders between attacker and goal
line when ball is played) it should be interesting to see what effect it has
on the game.  Should the change have a significant positive effect it may
provide evidence for a similar change in football.

Any thoughts?

Paul

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OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Snap » Fri, 05 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>The Offside law, cause of much consternation, is to be removed from the rules
>of the game for the 1996/97 season.
>Any thoughts?

Yes. A more clumsy lie I`ve yet to hear.

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by S. Card » Sat, 06 Jul 1996 04:00:00



#
#>The Offside law, cause of much consternation, is to be removed from the
rules
#>of the game for the 1996/97 season.
#
#>Any thoughts?
#
#Yes. A more clumsy lie I`ve yet to hear.
#

So the rules of field hockey aren't changing then?

(You did read the second paragraph, didn't you?)

Steve Cardie
Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Leeds

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by David Bro » Sat, 06 Jul 1996 04:00:00


|>
|> >The Offside law, cause of much consternation, is to be removed from the rules
|> >of the game for the 1996/97 season.
|>
|> >Any thoughts?
|>
|> Yes. A more clumsy lie I`ve yet to hear.

I think you'll find that he was talking about Hockey, not Football, so he's not
lying, is he?

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Snap » Sat, 06 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



>|>
>|> >The Offside law, cause of much consternation, is to be removed from the rules
>|> >of the game for the 1996/97 season.
>|>
>|> >Any thoughts?
>|>
>|> Yes. A more clumsy lie I`ve yet to hear.
>I think you'll find that he was talking about Hockey, not Football, so he's not
>lying, is he?

Oops! I didn`t notice this was rec.sports.hockey!!! Have I gone red?
 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Oleg Fomin » Sat, 06 Jul 1996 04:00:00

: The Offside law, cause of much consternation, is to be removed from the rules
: of the game for the 1996/97 season.

: This is one of the decisions of field hockey's ruling body as they enter a new
: season for their sport.  As the rule in hockey is currently implemented in the
: same way as that of football (i.e. two defenders between attacker and goal
: line when ball is played) it should be interesting to see what effect it has
: on the game.  Should the change have a significant positive effect it may
: provide evidence for a similar change in football.

: Any thoughts?

: Paul
Some thoughts about stupidity of offside rule:

Please tell me HOW linesman can simultaneously look at player making a pass
and at player being presumable in offside?
Linesman should notice the moment of a pass and then quickly switch his
atention to the player who receives a ball (often the angle is near to 180
degree). Obviously it takes SOME time and forces a mistake.

Look at the example:
The difference between speeds of moving outside defender and inside forward
could be about 30 miles/h. Linesman spends for example 0.5 sec. for switching.

Please do calculation!
The result is : about 5 meters.

Any thoughts? :)

Oleg.

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Jord » Mon, 08 Jul 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Some thoughts about stupidity of offside rule:

>Please tell me HOW linesman can simultaneously look at player making a pass
>and at player being presumable in offside?
>Linesman should notice the moment of a pass and then quickly switch his
>atention to the player who receives a ball (often the angle is near to 180
>degree). Obviously it takes SOME time and forces a mistake.

>Look at the example:
>The difference between speeds of moving outside defender and inside forward

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quote:
>could be about 30 miles/h. Linesman spends for example 0.5 sec. for switching.

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quote:
>Please do calculation!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The result is : about 5 meters.

>Any thoughts? :)

World 100m record = 9.85 sec

Average speed = 100/9.85 m/sec
                         = 10.15 m/sec appx
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So if defender is running at 5 m/sec (11.19 miles/hr appx, half of
world record pace), your suggested difference (30 miles/hr)  will make
the forward running at 41.19 miles/hr, i.e. 18.31 m/sec appx.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

World record    = 10.15 m/sec appx
Forward speed = 18.31 m/sec appx

Wow!! I never thought soccer players can run that fast!

Now you do calculations and give a better example!

Jordan

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Bob Hardin » Tue, 09 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Maybe the defender is running in the *opposite* direction?

Hey Jordan, will you put in as many bangs (!) in your
apology?

Quote:



> >Some thoughts about stupidity of offside rule:

> >Please tell me HOW linesman can simultaneously look at player making a pass
> >and at player being presumable in offside?
> >Linesman should notice the moment of a pass and then quickly switch his
> >atention to the player who receives a ball (often the angle is near to 180
> >degree). Obviously it takes SOME time and forces a mistake.

> >Look at the example:
> >The difference between speeds of moving outside defender and inside forward
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >could be about 30 miles/h. Linesman spends for example 0.5 sec. for switching.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Please do calculation!
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >The result is : about 5 meters.

> >Any thoughts? :)

> World 100m record = 9.85 sec

> Average speed = 100/9.85 m/sec
>                          = 10.15 m/sec appx
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> So if defender is running at 5 m/sec (11.19 miles/hr appx, half of
> world record pace), your suggested difference (30 miles/hr)  will make
> the forward running at 41.19 miles/hr, i.e. 18.31 m/sec appx.

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> World record    = 10.15 m/sec appx
> Forward speed = 18.31 m/sec appx

> Wow!! I never thought soccer players can run that fast!

> Now you do calculations and give a better example!

> Jordan

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by geoff smit » Tue, 09 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



>>Some thoughts about stupidity of offside rule:

>>Please tell me HOW linesman can simultaneously look at player making a pass
>>and at player being presumable in offside?
>>Linesman should notice the moment of a pass and then quickly switch his
>>atention to the player who receives a ball (often the angle is near to 180
>>degree). Obviously it takes SOME time and forces a mistake.

>>Look at the example:
>>The difference between speeds of moving outside defender and inside forward
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>could be about 30 miles/h. Linesman spends for example 0.5 sec. for switching.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Please do calculation!
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>The result is : about 5 meters.

>>Any thoughts? :)

>World 100m record = 9.85 sec

>Average speed = 100/9.85 m/sec
>                         = 10.15 m/sec appx
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>So if defender is running at 5 m/sec (11.19 miles/hr appx, half of
>world record pace), your suggested difference (30 miles/hr)  will make
>the forward running at 41.19 miles/hr, i.e. 18.31 m/sec appx.

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>World record    = 10.15 m/sec appx
>Forward speed = 18.31 m/sec appx

>Wow!! I never thought soccer players can run that fast!

>Now you do calculations and give a better example!

>Jordan

 Surly the point we always overlook in our high up stand seats
or on TV looking down on things is that it is all so crystal
clear from that aspect. The linesman at ground level has to do
his job looking through all kinds of obstacles that we never
have to think about as we scream for this and that! Try it and
see if YOU godly folk can do it better in front of 55,000 at OT
on a wet and foggy November Saturday afternoon! We all critize
without due thought prosess when it suites us. Lesson for
to-day like it or not!!

             It's the only Game!
                                GAS1. BCFC. '97

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Damir Smitlen » Wed, 10 Jul 1996 04:00:00

[...snip...]

Quote:
>So if defender is running at 5 m/sec (11.19 miles/hr appx, half of
>world record pace), your suggested difference (30 miles/hr)  will make
>the forward running at 41.19 miles/hr, i.e. 18.31 m/sec appx.

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>World record    = 10.15 m/sec appx
>Forward speed = 18.31 m/sec appx

>Wow!! I never thought soccer players can run that fast!

>Now you do calculations and give a better example!

Hey, bonehead, before insulting the guy why don't you actually put some
thought into the problem? The players are running in opposite
directions.

--
Damir Smitlener


 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Jord » Wed, 10 Jul 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Maybe the defender is running in the *opposite* direction?

>Hey Jordan, will you put in as many bangs (!) in your
>apology?

Don't think need to apologise. Please read on.
And sorry about the bangs. Bad habit, trying very hard to change.

Quote:



>> >Look at the example:
>> >The difference between speeds of moving outside defender and inside forward

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From here, we can already see that they are running in opposite
direction, else don't think his calculation can hold.

Quote:
>> >could be about 30 miles/h. Linesman spends for example 0.5 sec. for switching.
>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >Please do calculation!
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >The result is : about 5 meters.

>> >Any thoughts? :)

As for the direction thing, he is talking about speed, not velocity.

If I sounds like I'm insulting him, my apologies. I'm not trying to
say that his example is wrong, just not realistic.

Jordan

 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Gianluigi Lentin » Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> |>
> |> >The Offside law, cause of much consternation, is to be removed from the rules
> |> >of the game for the 1996/97 season.
> |>
> |> >Any thoughts?
> |>
> |> Yes. A more clumsy lie I`ve yet to hear.

> I think you'll find that he was talking about Hockey, not Football, so he's not
> lying, is he?

        huh ??? so are we talking about football or hockey or basketball
        in here ???? not offside rule ??? yeah...then u will have the
        goal keepers handling the ball up to half of the field then..
                                   |\/\/\/|   <silly grin>
                                   |      |   lentini aka len
                                   |      |   ".....creativity scares
                                   | (o)(o)    the unimaginative...."
                                   C      _)          
                                   | ,___|  
                                   |   /    
                                   /____\    
                                  /      \      
                                "..heehee..."
 
 
 

OFFICIAL: No offside rule from 1996/97 season

Post by Eric Wa » Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>>The difference between speeds of moving outside defender and inside
>>forward could be about 30 miles/h.

                         ^^^^^^^^^^ = 48 kph

    Yes, if they're running in opposite directions towards each other,
    so that this is the closing speed between them.  For instance, the
    last defender is running out to spring the offside trap, and the
    forward is running towards the goal, trying to beat the trap.  Human
    speed ranges from about 20 kph for the marathon to 36 kph for the
    100m sprint, so soccer players must be easily able to run at 24 kph.
    In fact, a forward breaking in on goal probably runs closer to 30
    kph, giving a closing speed of 55-60 kph.  (Also, the forward's
    knees and ankle suddenly don't hurt anymore :-)

Eric Wang