New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by welcom » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:24:43


I've only paid attention to football during the last three world cups
(I'm from the US). I think it's an incredibly cool sport, and that the
world cup is truely THE sporting event of the world, more so than the
Olympics.

I hardly understand the sport, nothing like many of the folks here, but
have a comment about attitudes and one of the elements that makes
football such a fine sport. I like games like England-Nigeria, where the
players rarely touched each other, not games like Italy-Korea,  where
the Italians seemed to be grabbing a lot, and using their arms to batter
players. Later in the game the Koreans put in a few good***s too, but
they sure didn't start it. There are sports like rugby, ice hockey, and
US football that promote battering your opponent, but it's a shame to
see football going this way. I also thought the Portuguese were way too
physical, in any case I'm glad the Koreans didn't get intimidated.

Also, about referees determining games, I hate to tell the complainers,
but refs just make mistakes. It has to be so, and it is so in all
dynamic sports. So, occasionally, your team will lose a game it might
have won if the ref had done x instead of y. That being the case, the
only way to ensure a win is to capitalize on your opportunities, which
Italy certainly did not.

And the Italian diving was just pathetic. Guys holding heads, crotches,
completely out of the blue. Do they really want to win based on that
sort of rubbish?

Now Perugia doesn't want to see Ahn back... now that is really
embarassing. I mean, how low class can you get? Ahn played fair ball,
Italy lost after playing not so great, and Korea played not their best
but never gave up. I've never heard of such childishness, by management,
in any sport. Creepy.

I'm a bit worried that I'm gaining interest in football at at time when
it's about to descend into a pit of cheap shots, staged falls, immature,
even child-like plays for pity, and generally stinko attitudes.

I want the beautiful game.

 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by Dann » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:40:07


Quote:
> I've only paid attention to football during the last three world cups
> (I'm from the US).

Only? That's 8 years buddy, not too bad.

Quote:
> I think it's an incredibly cool sport, and that the
> world cup is truely THE sporting event of the world, more so than the
> Olympics.

That it is.

Quote:

> I hardly understand the sport, nothing like many of the folks here, but
> have a comment about attitudes and one of the elements that makes
> football such a fine sport. I like games like England-Nigeria, where the
> players rarely touched each other, not games like Italy-Korea,  where
> the Italians seemed to be grabbing a lot, and using their arms to batter
> players. Later in the game the Koreans put in a few good***s too, but
> they sure didn't start it. There are sports like rugby, ice hockey, and
> US football that promote battering your opponent, but it's a shame to
> see football going this way. I also thought the Portuguese were way too
> physical, in any case I'm glad the Koreans didn't get intimidated.

> Also, about referees determining games, I hate to tell the complainers,
> but refs just make mistakes. It has to be so, and it is so in all
> dynamic sports. So, occasionally, your team will lose a game it might
> have won if the ref had done x instead of y. That being the case, the
> only way to ensure a win is to capitalize on your opportunities, which
> Italy certainly did not.

This is why I abandoned the 'ifs' a long time ago. It goes the way it goes.

Quote:

> And the Italian diving was just pathetic. Guys holding heads, crotches,
> completely out of the blue. Do they really want to win based on that
> sort of rubbish?

And that was just the fans...

Quote:

> Now Perugia doesn't want to see Ahn back... now that is really
> embarassing. I mean, how low class can you get? Ahn played fair ball,
> Italy lost after playing not so great, and Korea played not their best
> but never gave up. I've never heard of such childishness, by management,
> in any sport. Creepy.

> I'm a bit worried that I'm gaining interest in football at at time when
> it's about to descend into a pit of cheap shots, staged falls, immature,
> even child-like plays for pity, and generally stinko attitudes.

The choice is the poetry and gamesmanship hand in hand of this game, or the
thuggery of American sports.
Football will always have elements of iffy behaviour - it's been going on
for years, you just never saw it.

Quote:

> I want the beautiful game.

When it's bad it's awful, when it's good it's breathtaking.

 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by flick » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:42:13

Quote:
>from: welcome
>I'm a bit worried that I'm gaining interest in football at at time when
>it's about to descend into a pit of cheap shots, staged falls, immature,
>even child-like plays for pity, and generally stinko attitudes.

Actually, you're therefore gaining interest at the perfect time -- Portugal and
Italy have been sent packing, and deservedly so.  The tournament can only get
better.

But I agree with you.  I am turned off by the dirty play.  The Korean team has
been fantastic.

 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by XO » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:03:12

Quote:

> > I'm a bit worried that I'm gaining interest in football at at time when
> > it's about to descend into a pit of cheap shots, staged falls, immature,
> > even child-like plays for pity, and generally stinko attitudes.

> The choice is the poetry and gamesmanship hand in hand of this game, or the
> thuggery of American sports.
> Football will always have elements of iffy behaviour - it's been going on
> for years, you just never saw it.

Isn't the saying in England "Rugby is a hooligan's game played by
Gentlemen. Football is a Gentleman's game played by hooligans."
Fitting for a few of the sides we saw go home already.

Quote:

> > I want the beautiful game.

> When it's bad it's awful, when it's good it's breathtaking.

Bring on Holland! Masters of The Beautiful Game.
 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by Peter » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:15:39

well, those elements exist in all competitive sports.  It's just sad
when you see it at the highest competitive level.  Still, football
(and as an American, I am glad you call it by it's proper name) can be
very beautiful.  So keep watching.
Quote:

> I've only paid attention to football during the last three world cups
> (I'm from the US). I think it's an incredibly cool sport, and that the
> world cup is truely THE sporting event of the world, more so than the
> Olympics.

> I hardly understand the sport, nothing like many of the folks here, but
> have a comment about attitudes and one of the elements that makes
> football such a fine sport. I like games like England-Nigeria, where the
> players rarely touched each other, not games like Italy-Korea,  where
> the Italians seemed to be grabbing a lot, and using their arms to batter
> players. Later in the game the Koreans put in a few good***s too, but
> they sure didn't start it. There are sports like rugby, ice hockey, and
> US football that promote battering your opponent, but it's a shame to
> see football going this way. I also thought the Portuguese were way too
> physical, in any case I'm glad the Koreans didn't get intimidated.

> Also, about referees determining games, I hate to tell the complainers,
> but refs just make mistakes. It has to be so, and it is so in all
> dynamic sports. So, occasionally, your team will lose a game it might
> have won if the ref had done x instead of y. That being the case, the
> only way to ensure a win is to capitalize on your opportunities, which
> Italy certainly did not.

> And the Italian diving was just pathetic. Guys holding heads, crotches,
> completely out of the blue. Do they really want to win based on that
> sort of rubbish?

> Now Perugia doesn't want to see Ahn back... now that is really
> embarassing. I mean, how low class can you get? Ahn played fair ball,
> Italy lost after playing not so great, and Korea played not their best
> but never gave up. I've never heard of such childishness, by management,
> in any sport. Creepy.

> I'm a bit worried that I'm gaining interest in football at at time when
> it's about to descend into a pit of cheap shots, staged falls, immature,
> even child-like plays for pity, and generally stinko attitudes.

> I want the beautiful game.

 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by Paul » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:23:22

Quote:

> Bring on Holland! Masters of The Beautiful Game.

**i am so totally agree! I was their fan since 1990 when i was a
kid..well, i like Maradona too in 1986.
 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by Peter Park » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:02:46

Quote:

> Now Perugia doesn't want to see Ahn back... now that is really
> embarassing. I mean, how low class can you get?

You don't really believe that Perugia doesn't want Ahn back because he
scored do you? That's just absurd. The Italian have far to much class
to take such an action.
Try reading exactly what Ahn had to say about the Italians before the
game.
Now that's embarassing. I mean, how low class can you get???
And to think, when he arrived in Italy, he didn't even have enough
money to buy a panino.
If I were you I wouldn't worry  to much about him, I'm sure the vice
president of Fifa will give him a decent job.
 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by Peter Park » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:09:48

Quote:

> >from: welcome
> But I agree with you.  I am turned off by the dirty play.  The Korean team has
> been fantastic.

Yah, they have been fantastic at their game and they sure know how to pick
their refs.
I wonder who will be the next team to be eliminated..
I can't wait for Friday.
 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by fu.. » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:20:15


Quote:

>> Now Perugia doesn't want to see Ahn back... now that is really
>> embarassing. I mean, how low class can you get?

>You don't really believe that Perugia doesn't want Ahn back because he
>scored do you? That's just absurd. The Italian have far to much class
>to take such an action.
>Try reading exactly what Ahn had to say about the Italians before the
>game.
>Now that's embarassing. I mean, how low class can you get???
>And to think, when he arrived in Italy, he didn't even have enough
>money to buy a panino.
>If I were you I wouldn't worry  to much about him, I'm sure the vice
>president of Fifa will give him a decent job.

Uhh what exactly did he say to***Italy off? He actually thanked the
italians for the experience..but said team Korea made him more
"complete" as a player. Italians have class? now that's a laugh..what
about the italian fan reaction where they ***ed korean supporters
in their country? Yeah that sure was classy. There was nothing wrong
with Ahn's response at all now compare that to the rabid responses by
the italian coaches, fans, and league. Truly pathetic..i'm sure your
italian support is probably tempered by your own biases. His success
wasn't through Italy dumbshit, S. Korea isn't a poor country..he was
already fairly well off financially before then. Italy was just
another venue to play at with heightened competition..he chose to play
there for mostly the _EXPERIENCE_ do you understand that?

Either way, Ahn is going to have it made after this World Cup..he's
going to be a  household name worldwide for anyone who watched the
cup. I bet he has NO problems finding a team to accept him that will
be much better than the scrubs over at Perugia.

 
 
 

New to football; about ITA-KOR and attitudes

Post by fu.. » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:28:18


Quote:


>> >from: welcome

>> But I agree with you.  I am turned off by the dirty play.  The Korean team has
>> been fantastic.

>Yah, they have been fantastic at their game and they sure know how to pick
>their refs.
>I wonder who will be the next team to be eliminated..
>I can't wait for Friday.

Excuses are great aren't they? Except this wouldn't be the first time
Italian fans have whined..*cough* croatia *cough*