Brazil the Best (Sao Paulo FC 3 x 2 AC Milan)

Brazil the Best (Sao Paulo FC 3 x 2 AC Milan)

Post by Fernando Akira Imur » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>I never thought I'd see that day when you defended a Brazilian team, you
>traitor!

>I also saw the game and have highlights on video tape so in future, to avoid
>embarrassment, I suggest you do your research.

>Sao Paulo : 3 goals from 5 attempts
>Milan : 2 goals from 20 attempts

Sao Paulo was more efficient than Milan.

Quote:
>Muller's winner was a fluke, watch the match again, he didn't even realize that
>he had scored until the crowd cheered!

>Massaro's volley hit the crossbar and Zetti on the back of the head.

I agree with you, Sao Paulo was lucky that day.
But Sao Paulo's 1st goal was a tactical masterpiece. Cafu passes the ball and
runs like the wind. Than Andre shoots a long ball to the right wing over to
Cafu who makes the centering pass to Palhinhas' conclusion. GOOOOOOOOL  

Quote:
>Milan were without Van Basten, Boban, Laudrup, Eranio and Simone,
>all injured. For some reason, Capello decided against playing Savicevic,
>which, not for the first time, has cost Milan and Capello dearly.

Sao Paulo sold Rai, Adilson and Pintado. They played in the previous Toyota
Cup final agains Barcelona FC. Also, Sao paulo players are not used to cold
climates.

Quote:
>Muller was quite impressive? Yes, about as impressive as he had been all his
>life and particularly for Torino and Brazil. What a ***player. Almost as bad
>as Massaro!

Nowadays he is playing for SE Palmeiras. Palmeiras has the best goal average
ever in Brazilian history: 4.07 goals per game (Better than Santos of Pele).    

Quote:
>As for Cerezo, according to reports I've read in various magazines inc world
>soccer, neutral observers thought Massaro should have won man of the match.

>Milan don't play longball, they sometimes play direct but their game revolves
>around passing and build-up from defence.

Milan was not very objective in that game: a lot of passing around and not many
"real" chances of strinking.

Quote:
>To defend Sao Paulo in this game is like defending Brazil's Copa America win
>over Argentina, Tulio's handball included. This was a rip-off, pure and simple.

Brazilian win over Argentina was a rip-off, but not Sao Paulo's win over AC
Milan. It was a clean win!!!

Quote:
>Don't let South American pride cloud your judgment, Milan were the better
>team, in fact out of the last 3 world club cups, the European teams have
>played the better football and their players have also shown more skill and
>technique.

Maybe the skill and technique only is not sufficient to win a World title. It
must come allied with dedication, good tactical disposition and co-operative
play.

Quote:
>The World Club Cup should be played over two legs, home and away, then there
>can be no excuses.

It used to be this way (in the 70's) but the europeans were afraid of the
South American butchery.
PS: in the 70's all Brazilian team did not play for the Libertadores with their
1st choice players, also afraid of the Argies and Uruguaians' physical play.

Quote:
>Benny, Middlesbrough, England
>Forza Milan!
>Forza Calcio!

Forza Sao Paulo
Forza Brazil

Akira

 
 
 

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Post by Benny.demon.co.u » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00

On reflection, I made some stupid, childish comments on this subject.

Let's hope that in the next world club cup final, both teams play to their
full potential and give us a great game of football.

Benny, Middlesbrough, England
Forza Milan!
Forza Ajax!
Forza Calcio!

 
 
 

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Post by Benny.demon.co.u » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> The bloke is from Britian and supports Milan, Ajax and the Italian
> league because he finds British clubs are shite in Europe, thats what
> we call a glory hunter.  When he goes on about European teams being
> better we can say "Cluthing at straws".

First of all, I'm not British, I may be born in England but my parents are
from Pakistan so I consider myself a Pakistani.

The first football match I ever watched was the 1990 European Cup final
between Milan and Benfica. I immediately supported Milan because I liked
Van Basten. I supported the Dutch team in the world cup (and still support
the Dutch team) because Van Basten played for them. I have supported Ajax,
since 1990, because it is the club Van Basten and Rijkaard used to play for.

I also support Nantes because they play great football and because I think
Pedros is a brilliant player, I support Barcelona because Cryuff is their
manager and because De La Pena is one of my favourite players, I support
PSV because I like Ronaldo, Jonk and Eijkelkamp.

IF that makes me a glory hunter then may I suggest that, as you support
one of the best teams in France, PSG, you are also a glory hunter?  Or
that fans of Sao Paulo or Palmeiras are also glory hunters? No, of course not.
We all have one thing in common, we support teams that play what we consider
to be good football.

Benny, Middlesbrough, England
Forza Milan!
Forza Ajax!
Forza Calcio!

 
 
 

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Post by Marcello C Baptist » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I'll second that! (maybe even the first line :))  
Quote:

> On reflection, I made some stupid, childish comments on this subject.

> Let's hope that in the next world club cup final, both teams play to their
> full potential and give us a great game of football.

> Benny, Middlesbrough, England
> Forza Milan!
> Forza Ajax!
> Forza Calcio!

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Grav » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>> The bloke is from Britian and supports Milan, Ajax and the Italian
>> league because he finds British clubs are shite in Europe, thats what
>> we call a glory hunter.  When he goes on about European teams being
>> better we can say "Cluthing at straws".

>First of all, I'm not British, I may be born in England but my parents are
>from Pakistan so I consider myself a Pakistani.

>The first football match I ever watched was the 1990 European Cup final
>between Milan and Benfica. I immediately supported Milan because I liked
>Van Basten. I supported the Dutch team in the world cup (and still support
>the Dutch team) because Van Basten played for them. I have supported Ajax,
>since 1990, because it is the club Van Basten and Rijkaard used to play for.

>I also support Nantes because they play great football and because I think
>Pedros is a brilliant player, I support Barcelona because Cryuff is their
>manager and because De La Pena is one of my favourite players, I support
>PSV because I like Ronaldo, Jonk and Eijkelkamp.

>IF that makes me a glory hunter then may I suggest that, as you support
>one of the best teams in France, PSG, you are also a glory hunter?  Or
>that fans of Sao Paulo or Palmeiras are also glory hunters? No, of course not.
>We all have one thing in common, we support teams that play what we consider
>to be good football.

>Benny, Middlesbrough, England
>Forza Milan!
>Forza Ajax!
>Forza Calcio!

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Post by Paul Grav » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>IF that makes me a glory hunter then may I suggest that, as you support
>one of the best teams in France, PSG, you are also a glory hunter?  Or

That, unfortunately for the moment, is debatable.   I was born in
Scotland but my allegences are completly with France.  I`ve been
supporting PSG for 5 years now, this will probably sound stupid but I
started supporting them after playing as them in sensible soccer, which
started off my interest, and here I am now, a complete fanatic :)

Quote:
>that fans of Sao Paulo or Palmeiras are also glory hunters? No, of course not.
>We all have one thing in common, we support teams that play what we consider
>to be good football.

Fair enough, but I`m sure everyone else will back me up, especially
ManUtd and Liverpool supporters, you are supposed to pick a team and
stick with it through thick and thin, and until death do us part :)
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Post by Benny.demon.co.u » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
> Subject: Re: Brazil the Best (Sao Paulo FC 3 x 2 AC Milan)   22 /   40 lines


Re : Glory hunters

Quote:
> That, unfortunately for the moment, is debatable.   I was born in
> Scotland but my allegences are completly with France.  I`ve been
> supporting PSG for 5 years now, this will probably sound stupid but I
> started supporting them after playing as them in sensible soccer, which
> started off my interest, and here I am now, a complete fanatic :)

What a coincidence! I only really became interested in football because
of Kick Off 2 on the Amiga over 6 years ago!

Re : teams I support

Quote:
> Fair enough, but I`m sure everyone else will back me up, especially
> ManUtd and Liverpool supporters, you are supposed to pick a team and
> stick with it through thick and thin, and until death do us part :)

Totally agree. I have supported Milan and Ajax (and Italy and Holland) for
6 years and Barca for just over 4 years and I will ALWAYS support these
teams, I have been through too much anguish, too much joy, too much
pain with all of these teams to even consider switch allegiances!

Benny, Middlesbrough, England
Forza Milan!
Forza Ajax!
Forza Calcio!

 
 
 

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Post by Stig Oppeda » Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>> you are supposed to pick a team and stick with it through thick and >> thin, and until death do us part :)

>Totally agree. I have supported Milan and Ajax (and Italy and Holland) for
>6 years and Barca for just over 4 years and I will ALWAYS support these
>teams, I have been through too much anguish, too much joy, too much
>pain with all of these teams to even consider switch allegiances!

How convenient. Since you started supporting them in 1990/1992, your three
teams have won something like 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 unofficial
World Club Championship, and 10 domestic League titles. They are by far the
three biggest clubs in Europe in the 90's. Pardon my cynicism, but which
teams would you possibly switch allegiance to - Cremonese, Willem II and
Racing Santander?

---Stig

 
 
 

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Post by Benny.demon.co.u » Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> How convenient. Since you started supporting them in 1990/1992, your three
> teams have won something like 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 unofficial
> World Club Championship, and 10 domestic League titles. They are by far the
> three biggest clubs in Europe in the 90's. Pardon my cynicism, but which
> teams would you possibly switch allegiance to - Cremonese, Willem II and
> Racing Santander?
> ---Stig

As I stated many, many times, the first football match I EVER watched was
Milan V Benfica 1990 EC final and the ONLY reason (at that time) I supported
Milan is because of Van Basten. I followed the Dutch national team in the World
Cup for the same reason and I also supported Ajax because they are the club
that developed Van Basten and Rijkaard and also the club that supply the Dutch
National team with most of their squad. I also supported Barcelona because
Cryuff, another great Dutchmen, was their manager. So as you can see It's
all related.

Benny, Middlesbrough, England
Forza Milan!
Forza Ajax!
Forza Calcio!

"You can lose the derby and the cup but not your dignity."
Milan ultras banner at the home game against Parma, days
after the UEFA Cup defeat by Bordeaux.

 
 
 

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Post by Stig Oppeda » Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>As I stated many, many times, the first football match I EVER watched was
>Milan V Benfica 1990 EC final and the ONLY reason (at that time) I supported
>Milan is because of Van Basten.

You mean you supported Milan in the 1990 EC final because you were a great fan of
Marco Van Basten, even though you had never seen him play?

Quote:
> [MvB -> Holland + Ajax -> Barcelona (Cruijff)] So as you can see It's all > related.

I'm sure it is, but it just seemed a bit ridiculous that you make this magmonious
statement about standing by Holland, Italy, Milan, Ajax, and Barcelona through
thick and thin until you die, never switching allegiances, etc., as if you were
talking about life as a Halifax Town supporter.

---Stig

 
 
 

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Post by Irineu Carvalh » Sun, 21 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> >As I stated many, many times, the first football match I EVER watched was
> >Milan V Benfica 1990 EC final and the ONLY reason (at that time) I
> >supported Milan is because of Van Basten.

Now I see where your ignorance about football comes from. It is a matter of
background. BTW the first game I ever watched was Corintians X Internacional
in 1976, final of the Brazilian Championship. I was supporting Inter against
Corintians and I remember the great FALCAO (best 5 ever!!!) dominating the
midfield.

                                Irineu Carvalho

 
 
 

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Post by Benny.demon.co.u » Mon, 22 Apr 1996 04:00:00

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> Subject: Re: Benny's Army                                        23 /   41 lines

> You mean you supported Milan in the 1990 EC final because you were a great
> fan of
> Marco Van Basten, even though you had never seen him play?

Yes! I don't know why I was drawn to Milan and Van Basten. Maybe it was
the kit? Maybe because Marco Van Basten had a cool name? Maybe because
of Gullit's dreadlocks? I can't remember.

Quote:
>> [MvB -> Holland + Ajax -> Barcelona (Cruijff)] So as you can see It's all >

 related.

Quote:
> I'm sure it is, but it just seemed a bit ridiculous that you make this
> magmonious
>statement about standing by Holland, Italy, Milan, Ajax, and Barcelona through
> thick and thin until you die, never switching allegiances, etc., as if you were
> talking about life as a Halifax Town supporter.

First and foremost I support Milan and the Dutch national team. I support Italy
because most of Milan's players are Italian and because I am a huge fan of
Serie A. All three clubs have a tradition of playing great passing, attacking
football. Neither Bacelona or Milan are playing great football this year but
I don't see why I should suddenly stop supporting them and switch allegiance
to Atletico or Juventus. I am a fan or players more than I am a fan of teams.
Milan have the best squad in club football but they can't play well as a team.
My favourite Ajax players are Ronald and Frank De Boer and Kluivert at Barca
I like De La Pena and Jordi Cryuff.  

Benny, Middlesbrough, England
Forza Milan!
Forza Ajax!
Forza Calcio!

"You can lose the derby and the cup but not your dignity."
Milan ultras banner at the home game against Parma, days
after the UEFA Cup defeat by Bordeaux.

 
 
 

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Post by Dean Gripto » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > How convenient. Since you started supporting them in 1990/1992, your three
> > teams have won something like 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 unofficial
> > World Club Championship, and 10 domestic League titles. They are by far the
> > three biggest clubs in Europe in the 90's. Pardon my cynicism, but which
> > teams would you possibly switch allegiance to - Cremonese, Willem II and
> > Racing Santander?

> > ---Stig

> As I stated many, many times, the first football match I EVER watched was
> Milan V Benfica 1990 EC final and the ONLY reason (at that time) I supported
> Milan is because of Van Basten. I followed the Dutch national team in the World
> Cup for the same reason and I also supported Ajax because they are the club
> that developed Van Basten and Rijkaard and also the club that supply the Dutch
> National team with most of their squad. I also supported Barcelona because
> Cryuff, another great Dutchmen, was their manager. So as you can see It's
> all related.

Don't you mean 'follow' not 'support'?

Gripper

 
 
 

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Post by Numnu » Sun, 28 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
> As I stated many, many times, the first football match I EVER watched was
> Milan V Benfica 1990 EC final and the ONLY reason (at that time) I supported
> Milan is because of Van Basten. I followed the Dutch national team in the World
> Cup for the same reason and I also supported Ajax because they are the club
> that developed Van Basten and Rijkaard and also the club that supply the Dutch
> National team with most of their squad. I also supported Barcelona because
> Cryuff, another great Dutchmen, was their manager. So as you can see It's
> all related.

and I support Man Utd because of the heroic Bryan Robson, I also follow
Bristol Rovers because they're my local team, and I like Mansfield
because their kit is really really nice.