Portuguese League Player of the year?

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by 100% Isento De Toxina » Tue, 16 May 2006 00:18:02


Awards are a dime a dozen, every year there's a 1000 establishements
giving out awards to the point where anybody can win one because there
are so many out there.
In Portugal I would say the most prestigious are the ones given by
Daily Newspaper "O Pblico" which should be given out in the coming
weeks.

IMHO the short list of players eligible for player fo the year would
be:

Pepe
Quaresma
Moutinho
Liedson

Other players who also did well were: Polga, Paulo Assun??o, Ricardo,
Lucho Gonzlez, Tonel.

I think any of the first 4 could receive the ward without much
controversy but I personally would give it to Pepe as best player and
Moutinho as best Portuguese player.

For Portuguese player of the year I'd give to Moutinho over Quaresma
because Moutinho played every game of the season from first to last, in
the league alone he played 3133 minutes (Quaresma 2111), Moutinho
scored 4 goals to Quaresma's 5 but Quaresma is a forward, Moutinho
received 3 yellow cards in 34 games while Quaresma got 6 in 25 games.
Moutinho played 90 minutes 27 times out of 34 starts to Quaresma's 10
out of 25 and with JM getting an average of 92 minutes per game to
Quaresma's 72 minutes per game.

Rookie of the year? Nani, nobody even came close.

Keeper fo the year? I'd give it to Helton, he didn't play as many games
as Ricardo but he's just a spectacular keeper and keep in mind Ricardo
had his best season in quite a while.

Best Centre-Back? I give to Pepe.

Best Centre-Back Duo? Polga and Tonel.

Best Defensive Midfielder? Paulo Assun??o.

Best Right-Back? Abel.

Best Left-Back? Leo.

Best Left-Winger? Quaresma.

Best Striker? Liedson although he was not the top scorer.

Best Centre-Midfielder? Moutinho.

Best Coach? Paulo Bento.

Yesterday the "National Club of Sports Journalists" awarded Ricardo
Quaresma player of the year award, in my list for POTY there's 2
Brazilians and 2 Portuguese, ironically Scolari decided not to take
both Portuguese (Moutinho and Quaresma) to the World Cup.

For Scolari to take a player like Sim?o instead of Quaresma, Hugo
Viana instead of Moutinho and Ricardo Costa over Tonel is an exercise
in stubborn stupidity and apparently Scolari hasn't learned how he
costs us the Euro 2004 by insisting on taking Rui Costa, Fernando Couto
with him instead of the better players.
After 4 years he still hasn't grasped which are the best players, maybe
if he left his mansion and attended a game live at least once a year he
might be able to pick up on a few things.

A National Squad Manager that doesn't attend games live? What will they
think of next?

Andr

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Manue » Tue, 16 May 2006 02:26:51

Quote:

> For Scolari to take a player like Sim?o instead of Quaresma, Hugo
> Viana instead of Moutinho and Ricardo Costa over Tonel is an exercise
> in stubborn stupidity and apparently Scolari hasn't learned how he
> costs us the Euro 2004 by insisting on taking Rui Costa, Fernando Couto
> with him instead of the better players.
> After 4 years he still hasn't grasped which are the best players, maybe
> if he left his mansion and attended a game live at least once a year he
> might be able to pick up on a few things.

> A National Squad Manager that doesn't attend games live? What will they
> think of next?

He's still the defending World Champion and EC finalist so give the man
some credit.
I see his point of view: he's betting on maturity over flashiness and
if the defending World Champion manager believes that is the way to go
I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes the best players don't make the best team. This is still a
team sport. We saw in 2002 what bringing a collection of "best players"
can do. By the way, if it wasn't for Rui Costa we would have never made
it past England in the last Euro and that is a fact, so if you want to
attack Scolari based on his player selection for the Euro, that is a
bad choice.

Forca Portugal, forca Scolari!

     - Manuel.

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by homem-da-natur.. » Tue, 16 May 2006 02:44:42

Quote:

> > For Scolari to take a player like Sim?o instead of Quaresma, Hugo
> > Viana instead of Moutinho and Ricardo Costa over Tonel is an exercise
> > in stubborn stupidity and apparently Scolari hasn't learned how he
> > costs us the Euro 2004 by insisting on taking Rui Costa, Fernando Couto
> > with him instead of the better players.
> > After 4 years he still hasn't grasped which are the best players, maybe
> > if he left his mansion and attended a game live at least once a year he
> > might be able to pick up on a few things.

> > A National Squad Manager that doesn't attend games live? What will they
> > think of next?

> He's still the defending World Champion and EC finalist so give the man
> some credit.

Do I look like a Bank to you?

Quote:
> I see his point of view: he's betting on maturity over flashiness and

How exactly is Ricardo Costa more mature than Tonel and how is Tonel a
flashy player? Tonel is better than Ricardo Costa in every possible
way, even Porto supporters will admit it.

Sim?o had his worst season in 5 years, Quaresma is coming off his best
season ever so how can you justify Sim?o over Quaresma?

Moutinho started over 45 games this season, Viana started 4 games, how
can you justify that?

As usual I get the feeling you offering an opinion on a subject matter
that you barely know.

Quote:
> if the defending World Champion manager believes that is the way to go
> I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
> Sometimes the best players don't make the best team. This is still a
> team sport. We saw in 2002 what bringing a collection of "best players"
> can do. By the way, if it wasn't for Rui Costa we would have never made
> it past England in the last Euro

Why? Would we play with 10 men in case Rui Costa wasn't available? We
have gone 13 games without a loss without Rui Costa since Euro 2004 so
I'm not sure what you're on about, if Rui Costa wasn't playing somebody
else would be in his place and Deco had a much better Euro 2004 than
Rui Costa did.

 and that is a fact, so if you want to

Quote:
> attack Scolari based on his player selection for the Euro, that is a
> bad choice.

Yeah, we'll never forget that masterfull penalty conversion by Rui
Costa Vs England.

I am gratefull for Rui Costa's right-flank to centre cross for Jo?o
Pinto goal in Sol Campbell's face in Euro 2000, I'll give him that
much.

Andr

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Manue » Wed, 17 May 2006 01:45:44

Quote:

> How exactly is Ricardo Costa more mature than Tonel and how is Tonel a
> flashy player? Tonel is better than Ricardo Costa in every possible
> way, even Porto supporters will admit it.

> Sim?o had his worst season in 5 years, Quaresma is coming off his best
> season ever so how can you justify Sim?o over Quaresma?

> Moutinho started over 45 games this season, Viana started 4 games, how
> can you justify that?

> As usual I get the feeling you offering an opinion on a subject matter
> that you barely know.

Correct, I'm nowhere near an expert. Otherwise I'd have a completely
different job. What about you? What proffesional team do you work for
as an advisor?

My comments where primarily towards the Quaresma issue. The guy is
simply not mature enough to play in a WC, regardless of how well he's
done in the domestic league.
I really don't think we need to run the risk of having him sent off
during the tournament when we have other equaly capable players. At the
same time, I do get a kick out of seeing Scolari put PDC in his place
since no one in Portugal ever stands up to PDC.

Don't get me wrong. I think Simao is utterly useless in the national
team. But I also know that between Simao and Quaresma, the latter is
more likely to not make it to the end of a game.

Also, Quaresma may have had his best season, in the domestic league, ut
Simao played in the Champion's League. Something to keep in mind.

     - Manuel.

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Tiago Santo » Wed, 17 May 2006 02:11:03


Quote:
>I do get a kick out of seeing Scolari put PDC in his place
>since no one in Portugal ever stands up to PDC.

I bet your last kick was with Vale e Azevedo. Whenever someone puts a
fight on PdC, automatically gets 6 million people clapping. What the
problem if, on the way, he fails to respect the entire people who live
above the Mondego river, with phrases like "it's so far away", or "you
must be from up there" wich he presented the journalists with.

I appreciated especially your argument about Quaresma's maturity.

So Quaresma isn't mature enough for a WC? I bet Ronaldo must be, after
all he did not flash the birdie on 60 000 SLB fans... or did he?

I bet that when you talk about maturity you're probably referring to
doing something like abandoning the field when you're substituted, and
go to the showers, without even supporting your team mates when they
are about to kick some penaltys for the quarter-final Euro2004
decision, against England.

Or maybe Ricardo is the mature one. Blaiming everyone else for one's
own failures is one of the most mature behaviours I've seen.

Petit and Nuno Gomes are another fine example. Questioning the
opponents honour by acusing them of doping is also another pretty
mature thing to do.

I guess you're right. Our team - sorry - Scolari's team is so full of
maturity that Quaresma really doesn't stand a chance.

______________
Tiago Santos

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Manue » Wed, 17 May 2006 03:51:17

Quote:

> I guess you're right. Our team - sorry - Scolari's team is so full of
> maturity that Quaresma really doesn't stand a chance.

You make lots of good points but here's the bottom line. Ronaldo and
Figo are going to be unquestionable starters for the wings. Quaresma
would most likely be sitting on the bench for the most part, as will
Simao.

Do you really think its a good idea to take Quaresma to ride the pine
in the WC in deteriment to the U-21 team? I know, as a player I'd
rather sit on the bench in a WC instead of playing in a U-21
tournament. But it's not the player's decision. It's the NT manager and
that is Scolari's decision. If Scolari does have to go to the bench,
he'll have Simao. Not exactly a bad choice if you ask me.

    - Manuel.

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Tiago Santo » Wed, 17 May 2006 04:33:04


Quote:


>> I guess you're right. Our team - sorry - Scolari's team is so full of
>> maturity that Quaresma really doesn't stand a chance.

>You make lots of good points but here's the bottom line. Ronaldo and
>Figo are going to be unquestionable starters for the wings. Quaresma
>would most likely be sitting on the bench for the most part, as will
>Simao.

But I would prefer to have Ronaldo and Quaresma as wings. Maybe if
Figo played like a 10 it wouldn't be a bad idea; he has done it
before, and Deco has no problem in playing a little more in the back.
And all that is necessary for this is that either Costinha or Maniche
not playing from start.

Quote:
>Do you really think its a good idea to take Quaresma to ride the pine
>in the WC in deteriment to the U-21 team? I know, as a player I'd
>rather sit on the bench in a WC instead of playing in a U-21
>tournament. But it's not the player's decision. It's the NT manager and
>that is Scolari's decision. If Scolari does have to go to the bench,
>he'll have Simao. Not exactly a bad choice if you ask me.

Well, I believe that Simao is still a better player than Quaresma
(Quaresma is still young and has a lot of room to improve), but this
last year Simao was terrible, and Quaresma was magnificent. If I had
to choose between one of them for my team right now, I wouldn't
hesitate a second and pick Quaresma right on the spot.

______________
Tiago Santos

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by 100% Isento De Toxina » Wed, 17 May 2006 07:24:56

Quote:


> Correct, I'm nowhere near an expert. Otherwise I'd have a completely
> different job. What about you? What proffesional team do you work for
> as an advisor?

Sporting Clube de Portugal.

Quote:

> My comments where primarily towards the Quaresma issue. The guy is
> simply not mature enough to play in a WC, regardless of how well he's
> done in the domestic league.

I see. And you've seen him play how many times this year? No more than
3 or 5 times I'll bet. Just this year I've seen him play 34 league
games, 6 CL games and 3 Cup games, do you still think you know him
better than me?
I've known Ricardo since he was a 15 year old getting his haircut by
Domingos Moska at Mouras Shopping Mall when he used to go in there with
youth team coordinator Aurlio Pereira.

Do you know Aurlio Pereira? Do you know Manolo Vidal? How about
Carlos Pereira? How about Agostinho Abade? Rogrio de Brito? I'm
sorry, who exactly do you know in Football? I'm often pictured next to
any of them in the newspapers, perhaps if you bought one you wouldn't
have to aks as many questions.

Quote:
> I really don't think we need to run the risk of having him sent off
> during the tournament

Wow, a player who got sent off once in his last 60 games is imature.
Man, you're really well informed about what your offering your opinion
on. Keep it up, we need a few laughs.

Andr

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Lucky Devi » Wed, 17 May 2006 14:36:11

Speaking of Tiago....?  What's up with him?

Quote:


> >> I guess you're right. Our team - sorry - Scolari's team is so full of
> >> maturity that Quaresma really doesn't stand a chance.

> >You make lots of good points but here's the bottom line. Ronaldo and
> >Figo are going to be unquestionable starters for the wings. Quaresma
> >would most likely be sitting on the bench for the most part, as will
> >Simao.

> But I would prefer to have Ronaldo and Quaresma as wings.

Same here, but in a perfect world :)

 Maybe if

Quote:
> Figo played like a 10 it wouldn't be a bad idea; he has done it
> before, and Deco has no problem in playing a little more in the back.
> And all that is necessary for this is that either Costinha or Maniche
> not playing from start.

Deco can play slightly behind Figo, for lack of better term, not quite
a defensive midfielder, but a player that can go back and forth as is
required. We all know what Deco can do as far as playmaking, and if he
could feed the ball to the superb wingers as well as Figo, we have a
chance to score a lot of goals.

Sigh, but then there is the striker position... Hell, let Simao be the
striker... j/k

Quote:
> >Do you really think its a good idea to take Quaresma to ride the pine
> >in the WC in deteriment to the U-21 team? I know, as a player I'd
> >rather sit on the bench in a WC instead of playing in a U-21
> >tournament. But it's not the player's decision. It's the NT manager and
> >that is Scolari's decision. If Scolari does have to go to the bench,
> >he'll have Simao. Not exactly a bad choice if you ask me.

> Well, I believe that Simao is still a better player than Quaresma
> (Quaresma is still young and has a lot of room to improve), but this
> last year Simao was terrible, and Quaresma was magnificent. If I had
> to choose between one of them for my team right now, I wouldn't
> hesitate a second and pick Quaresma right on the spot.

As a Benfica supporter, I love me some Simao. However I think the two
are quite equal, with Quaresma having the edge this year, he's getting
better too.  Simao didn't play as well as he did the past few years,
not only because of his play directly, but for his positioning by
Cow-man.  First time he wasn't our leading  scorer in 3 years.

We shall see...

--
Neigborhood Superstar,

Devin Tregre
"Fear is absolutely necessary. Without it, I would have been scared to
death." - Floyd Patterson

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by 100% Isento De Toxina » Wed, 17 May 2006 19:28:02

Quote:


> > I guess you're right. Our team - sorry - Scolari's team is so full of
> > maturity that Quaresma really doesn't stand a chance.

> You make lots of good points but here's the bottom line. Ronaldo and
> Figo are going to be unquestionable starters for the wings.

Please shut up. These days Ronaldo plays as 2nd striker behind Pauleta
for Portugal and not as a winger, you haven't got a clue what you're
talking about.

Ronaldo would play as 2nd striker, Figo as right-winger and Quaresma as
left-winger. This season Boa Morte has been better than Sim?o and will
hopefully start ahead of him at left-winger.

Andr

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by KumKanec » Wed, 17 May 2006 19:51:07

I wouldnt count on that Andr

Chocolati must help promote Simul?o because he will need the money later
after the worldcup

Write that down

KK


mensagem

This season Boa Morte has been better than Sim?o and will
hopefully start ahead of him at left-winger.

Andr

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by 100% Isento De Toxina » Wed, 17 May 2006 22:47:11

Quote:

> I wouldnt count on that Andr

> Chocolati must help promote Simul?o because he will need the money later
> after the worldcup

> Write that down

Ricardo is very funny, I was next to him about an hour ago at a book
signing when an Angolan came up to him for an autograph and asked him
not to beat Angola and he replied: "No problem, we'll beat Iran and
Mexico and draw with you guys so we can both pass" and the kid said
"it's a deal".

Great guy, about as down to Earth, approachable and friendly as I've
ever met in Football.

Andr

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Manue » Wed, 17 May 2006 23:00:37


Quote:


> > > I guess you're right. Our team - sorry - Scolari's team is so full of
> > > maturity that Quaresma really doesn't stand a chance.

> > You make lots of good points but here's the bottom line. Ronaldo and
> > Figo are going to be unquestionable starters for the wings.

> Please shut up. These days Ronaldo plays as 2nd striker behind Pauleta
> for Portugal and not as a winger, you haven't got a clue what you're
> talking about.

Dude how old are you? 12? We're all just sharing our opinions. There's
no need to get you panties in a bunch over this.

You seem to have quickly forgoten the last Euro. Where did Ronaldo and
Figo played? Yes, occasionaly both Figo and Ronaldo have been known to
drift to towards the middle, but you'll hardly ever see 3 of the 4 on
the pith at the same time: Ronaldo, Figo, Simao, Boa Morte. That
flexibility is what gives our team strenght, especially against more
rigid teams like England. But there's nop doubt in my mind who the 2
starters for the wings will be: Ronaldo and Figo.

And I agree with Lucky. I think Simao is better than Quaresma but
neither have really shown much when they played with the NT. This team
has been playing together for over 3 years now. There's no way Scolari
would take Quaresma over Simao just because he had a slightly better
season. Christ, he's taking Costinha. You want o pick on something,
pick on that.

     - Manuel.

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by 100% Isento De Toxina » Wed, 17 May 2006 23:27:09

Quote:




> > > > I guess you're right. Our team - sorry - Scolari's team is so full of
> > > > maturity that Quaresma really doesn't stand a chance.

> > > You make lots of good points but here's the bottom line. Ronaldo and
> > > Figo are going to be unquestionable starters for the wings.

> > Please shut up. These days Ronaldo plays as 2nd striker behind Pauleta
> > for Portugal and not as a winger, you haven't got a clue what you're
> > talking about.

> Dude how old are you? 12?

My name is Andr, I'm 31, I have Hazel eyes and soft auburn hair and
my interests are Barry Manilow and Kenny G music, getting John Kerry
and Chris Martin ellect to public office and I also have a deep
interest in New-Age Poetry and Shampoos with neutral PH as well as cars
that run on ***.

Quote:

> You seem to have quickly forgoten the last Euro. Where did Ronaldo and
> Figo played?

That was 2 years ago, There have been 13 games since, apparently under
that rock you live in news arrive 2 years too late.

 Yes, occasionaly both Figo and Ronaldo have been known to

Quote:
> drift to towards the middle, but you'll hardly ever see 3 of the 4 on
> the pith at the same time: Ronaldo, Figo, Simao, Boa Morte. That
> flexibility is what gives our team strenght,

Really, and here I was thinking it was the technical superiority of our
players over anybody other than Brazil, Argentina and occasionaly Italy
and France and the fact we have a better coach than the Spaniards.

 especially against more

Quote:
> rigid teams like England. But there's nop doubt in my mind who the 2
> starters for the wings will be: Ronaldo and Figo.

Portugal plays with a faux-left-winger named Deco. In case you haven't
noticed we play in a 4-2-2-1-1 with 2 DMs, right-winger Figo,
faux-left-winger Deco and Ronaldo behind Pauleta. Of course noticing
this includes actually caring enough as to watch a game more than once
every 2 years which you clearly don't yet have no problems offering
opinions on matters of which you are very poorly informed.

Quote:

> And I agree with Lucky. I think Simao is better than Quaresma but

That's because both of you are idiots, difference is Lucky is an humble
idiot willing to admit to his shortcomings.

Quote:
> neither have really shown much when they played with the NT. This team
> has been playing together for over 3 years now. There's no way Scolari
> would take Quaresma over Simao just because he had a slightly better
> season. Christ, he's taking Costinha. You want o pick on something,
> pick on that.

Moutinho is better than Maniche.
Quaresma is better than Sim?o.
Tonel is imesurably better than Ricardo Costa.

Pick on Costinha? Why? Who is better than he is in that specific
position?
Petit? Custdio? Manuel Fernandes? Who?

I say Quaresma should start ahead of Sim?o and Moutinho ahead of
Maniche and Tonel (and 12 others) ahead of Ricardo Costa. You criticize
Costinha yet offer no options in return.

To critized without offering solitions is easy, it's also a good thing
to put on your CV should you desire work in the Democratic Party.

Andr

 
 
 

Portuguese League Player of the year?

Post by Manue » Thu, 18 May 2006 05:15:21


Quote:

> > You seem to have quickly forgoten the last Euro. Where did Ronaldo and
> > Figo played?

> That was 2 years ago, There have been 13 games since, apparently under
> that rock you live in news arrive 2 years too late.

Yes, 13 games against powerhouses like Luxemburg and Liechtenstein.
Please, I used to think you actually knew what you were talking about.
You will see the exact same team tactics in the WC that you saw in the
Euro.

Quote:
> Really, and here I was thinking it was the technical superiority of our
> players over anybody other than Brazil, Argentina and occasionaly Italy
> and France and the fact we have a better coach than the Spaniards.

You just gave me reason :-)
In other words, we've been more succesfully than other equaly
technicaly gifted teams, and why? Because of the tachtical flexibility
of our players.

Quote:
> Pick on Costinha? Why? Who is better than he is in that specific
> position?
> Petit? Custdio? Manuel Fernandes? Who?

I'd think just about anyone who's actually played in the last 6 months
would be better, or did you forget the Figo debacle in WC2002?

Quote:
> I say Quaresma should start ahead of Sim?o and Moutinho ahead of
> Maniche and Tonel (and 12 others) ahead of Ricardo Costa. You criticize
> Costinha yet offer no options in return.

I don't have to offer anything. I'm not the manager. I have a job and
picking the NT is not it. Unlike you I trust the people who are better
qualified than me to pick the players.
Just relax a bit. You may find out that this sport is actually fun :-)

     - Manuel.