Comments on Liverpool's current woes

Comments on Liverpool's current woes

Post by Daniel Kitinga » Thu, 12 Nov 1998 04:00:00


    Having been a diehard supporter since the successful 80s and
through the low 90s, one wonders how much time it will take to
actually have Liverpool competitive enough to be once again a force
in English Football.  The joint management does not seem to be
working, but worse yet, the players themselves appear not keen to
take on the challenge of disproving many of their critics.  One
wonders if they are even capable of it.

    The current Liverpool team to my mind aren't good enough.  To
replace David James in goal whilst he was out of sorts, we went and
bought Brad Friedel??  A lot of stability he's added to the team.  As
far as performances go, James deserves his place back in the starting
lineup, but he needs REAL competition.  With the Liverpool defence
the way it currently is, it might be better to bring someone in who's
used to having lots to do, someone with ENORMOUS presence, bossy and
knowing what he wants out of central defenders, or all defenders
period.  Neither James nor Friedel are either of these.
    I thought it might not have been a bad idea to bring Chilavert,
the eccentric Paraguyan keeper in since he is all the things I
mentioned above, and a great keeper to boot.  My only qualm is that
I've not seen him play enough (aside from the World Cup) to see what
he's like in the air (in terms of fielding crosses and the like), but
he would certainly add to the defence.  With him marshalling it, we
might even be able to get away with Jamie Carragher and Steve
Staunton in defence.  I was certainly impressed by the way he drove
his teammates on in the World Cup and displayed enormous confidence
despite Paraguay being under huge pressure in every game!

    *Defence?*  Liverpool don't have any real excellent defenders,
although Staunton looks alright, but Carragher either needs to play
alongside someone who can "bring him along" or should be used in his
usual midfield role.  I'd like to see Matteo given more of a chance,
but he's injured at the moment.  Too bad Rob Jones is injured again,
he was a pretty solid and dependable right back.  I've not seen
enough of Heggem to judge his defensive abilities yet.  Bjornebye?
<sigh>  Doesn't seem the sort to play left back for Liverpool.  When
Babb returns we could try to use him or Staunton out on that side -
since buying someone doesn't seem to be a real option.  A central
defender with authority *is *required though.

    *Midfield?*  A pity we sold Kennedy before we were able to really
see his potential.  We don't have an out and out "winger" in Patrik
Berger, and McManaman seems to find himself on that side a lot even
though it's supposed to be where Berger lurks.  I like Redknapp's
range of passing when he is on song, it gives us more options - but
our movement these days seems very, very limited - which rather
limits the passes he can give.  Of  course he's injured more often
than not, so why don't we try Danny Murphy??  I've never seen him
play, but the performances I've read about when he HAS played appear
to be very good.  So what's keeping him out of the team when we have
Redknapp injured?  Young David Thompson seems to have impressed also.
 These guys are HUNGRY to make a name for themselves, shouldn't they
be given a chance?  Paul Ince .......  needs to lead more by example,
rather than biting at referees all the time.  He still has some
presence, so he should use that, rather than wasting his time getting
booked all the time.  Be hard, but sensible.
    It might be a good thing now that McManaman is injured for
Liverpool.  It allows us a time to try and find ways to play without
him.  Too often we depend too much on his creativity, which has to
stop.  The whole team, the entire midfield should be able to create
for each other and the forwards.  At the moment, we don't have this,
but now we have an opportunity to find our way without him.  Perhaps
the inclusion of some of the youngsters?

    *Forwards?*    We have good forwards.  Riedle is good in the air
and we don't have to talk about Owen.  Fowler's not quite back to
form yet - very rusty, but I hope reports that I've read of him
questioning his role to the Liverpool Management complaining about
being the 3rd choice striker are untrue.  Selection should be based
on merit, and he's not scoring them at the moment.  He needs to be
more patient, to build up his match sharpness.  It's too bad that
Dundee is now injured.  I've never seen him, but I believe he's quite
a big fellow and reasonable in the air no?  Wouldn't that have been
good to try him out so that the team are not predictable?  It gives
us options, and allows a more reasonable route, especially with our
current "Just cross the ball into the box" tactics.  There's no point
to that when Fowler and Owen are up there - unless they are pinpoint
accurate, and they aren't!

    *Tactics?*    Does anyone else think that perhaps Liverpool did
better with the wing-back system than they are doing with the current
4-4-2?  I don't see why we have to stick to a rigid 4-4-2.  Why not
vary it a little?  (but I guess our defenders will get more confused
than usual!)  Movement throughout the entire team has to improve.
There's no-one ghosting into space, or doing any real intelligent
running off the ball, which limits passing options.  We've gotta get
that back.  Movement is the key, I think (IMHO) to the style of
Liverpool's play.  Besides, it's important anywhere.

    Oh well, i'll leave it there, but additions or comments would be
welcome!  ;-)  Geez, we just lost to Spurs.

Daniel
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Post by David Jame » Thu, 12 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Daniel, I agree with everything you've written here.

We must give Murphy a chance. The injuries to Owen, Redknapp, MacManaman and
Dundee must surely mean he gets a game against Leeds. The same goes for
Thompson who did more in his 20 minutes on Saturday than both Ince and
Redknapp did over the 90.

Last night's result was as bad as the Souness "inspired" defeats by Bolton,
Bristol City and the 4-4 draw with Chesterfield.

Too many of the players are second rate. Too many of them have no pride.

If Leeds win on Saturday I think the crowd's reaction will be extreme.

Evans has got to stand down, and David Moores has to put his hand in his
pocket now or he can go too.

Dave James (not that one)

Quote:

>    Having been a diehard supporter since the successful 80s and
>through the low 90s, one wonders how much time it will take to
>actually have Liverpool competitive enough to be once again a force
>in English Football.  The joint management does not seem to be
>working, but worse yet, the players themselves appear not keen to
>take on the challenge of disproving many of their critics.  One
>wonders if they are even capable of it.

>    The current Liverpool team to my mind aren't good enough.  To
>replace David James in goal whilst he was out of sorts, we went and
>bought Brad Friedel??  A lot of stability he's added to the team.  As
>far as performances go, James deserves his place back in the starting
>lineup, but he needs REAL competition.  With the Liverpool defence
>the way it currently is, it might be better to bring someone in who's
>used to having lots to do, someone with ENORMOUS presence, bossy and
>knowing what he wants out of central defenders, or all defenders
>period.  Neither James nor Friedel are either of these.
>    I thought it might not have been a bad idea to bring Chilavert,
>the eccentric Paraguyan keeper in since he is all the things I
>mentioned above, and a great keeper to boot.  My only qualm is that
>I've not seen him play enough (aside from the World Cup) to see what
>he's like in the air (in terms of fielding crosses and the like), but
>he would certainly add to the defence.  With him marshalling it, we
>might even be able to get away with Jamie Carragher and Steve
>Staunton in defence.  I was certainly impressed by the way he drove
>his teammates on in the World Cup and displayed enormous confidence
>despite Paraguay being under huge pressure in every game!

>    *Defence?*  Liverpool don't have any real excellent defenders,
>although Staunton looks alright, but Carragher either needs to play
>alongside someone who can "bring him along" or should be used in his
>usual midfield role.  I'd like to see Matteo given more of a chance,
>but he's injured at the moment.  Too bad Rob Jones is injured again,
>he was a pretty solid and dependable right back.  I've not seen
>enough of Heggem to judge his defensive abilities yet.  Bjornebye?
><sigh>  Doesn't seem the sort to play left back for Liverpool.  When
>Babb returns we could try to use him or Staunton out on that side -
>since buying someone doesn't seem to be a real option.  A central
>defender with authority *is *required though.

>    *Midfield?*  A pity we sold Kennedy before we were able to really
>see his potential.  We don't have an out and out "winger" in Patrik
>Berger, and McManaman seems to find himself on that side a lot even
>though it's supposed to be where Berger lurks.  I like Redknapp's
>range of passing when he is on song, it gives us more options - but
>our movement these days seems very, very limited - which rather
>limits the passes he can give.  Of  course he's injured more often
>than not, so why don't we try Danny Murphy??  I've never seen him
>play, but the performances I've read about when he HAS played appear
>to be very good.  So what's keeping him out of the team when we have
>Redknapp injured?  Young David Thompson seems to have impressed also.
> These guys are HUNGRY to make a name for themselves, shouldn't they
>be given a chance?  Paul Ince .......  needs to lead more by example,
>rather than biting at referees all the time.  He still has some
>presence, so he should use that, rather than wasting his time getting
>booked all the time.  Be hard, but sensible.
>    It might be a good thing now that McManaman is injured for
>Liverpool.  It allows us a time to try and find ways to play without
>him.  Too often we depend too much on his creativity, which has to
>stop.  The whole team, the entire midfield should be able to create
>for each other and the forwards.  At the moment, we don't have this,
>but now we have an opportunity to find our way without him.  Perhaps
>the inclusion of some of the youngsters?

>    *Forwards?*    We have good forwards.  Riedle is good in the air
>and we don't have to talk about Owen.  Fowler's not quite back to
>form yet - very rusty, but I hope reports that I've read of him
>questioning his role to the Liverpool Management complaining about
>being the 3rd choice striker are untrue.  Selection should be based
>on merit, and he's not scoring them at the moment.  He needs to be
>more patient, to build up his match sharpness.  It's too bad that
>Dundee is now injured.  I've never seen him, but I believe he's quite
>a big fellow and reasonable in the air no?  Wouldn't that have been
>good to try him out so that the team are not predictable?  It gives
>us options, and allows a more reasonable route, especially with our
>current "Just cross the ball into the box" tactics.  There's no point
>to that when Fowler and Owen are up there - unless they are pinpoint
>accurate, and they aren't!

>    *Tactics?*    Does anyone else think that perhaps Liverpool did
>better with the wing-back system than they are doing with the current
>4-4-2?  I don't see why we have to stick to a rigid 4-4-2.  Why not
>vary it a little?  (but I guess our defenders will get more confused
>than usual!)  Movement throughout the entire team has to improve.
>There's no-one ghosting into space, or doing any real intelligent
>running off the ball, which limits passing options.  We've gotta get
>that back.  Movement is the key, I think (IMHO) to the style of
>Liverpool's play.  Besides, it's important anywhere.

>    Oh well, i'll leave it there, but additions or comments would be
>welcome!  ;-)  Geez, we just lost to Spurs.

>Daniel
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Post by RED-DEV » Thu, 12 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Daniel, I agree with everything you've written here.
>We must give Murphy a chance. The injuries to Owen, Redknapp, MacManaman and
>Dundee must surely mean he gets a game against Leeds. The same goes for
>Thompson who did more in his 20 minutes on Saturday than both Ince and
>Redknapp did over the 90.
>Last night's result was as bad as the Souness "inspired" defeats by Bolton,
>Bristol City and the 4-4 draw with Chesterfield.
>Too many of the players are second rate. Too many of them have no pride.
>If Leeds win on Saturday I think the crowd's reaction will be extreme.
>Evans has got to stand down, and David Moores has to put his hand in his
>pocket now or he can go too.
>Dave James (not that one)

Don't guess you'll be too pleased with a Man United fan commenting on
Liverpool's plight, but here goes anyway:

  The team is a mixup of of great players, players who are supposed to
be great but are overated, and some strange management decisons.
     Obviously the defense has some problems, but i don't think the
main problem is there but in the midfield where its true Liverpool
boast some big names. Ince is not and has never done the job as
midfield general for the team, a hard man the like of Batty or Keane
is needed to out some steel in the midfield, Macca is in great form
and needs to continue to play wide where he will cause opposing
defenses many problems. The main problem with the midfield for me is
the way over-rated Jamie Redknapp, with a forward line as talented as
they have they need someone with the ability to feed them, sadly
Redknapp is not this player, lacking speed and quickness and a not too
imaginative football mind, the team is destined for more bad results
unless he is replaced with someone who can dominate the midfield.

 
 
 

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Post by Benn » Thu, 12 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
> Subject : Comments on Liverpool's current woes

>    I thought it might not have been a bad idea to bring Chilavert,
>the eccentric Paraguyan keeper in since he is all the things I
>mentioned above, and a great keeper to boot.  My only qualm is that
>I've not seen him play enough (aside from the World Cup) to see what
>he's like in the air (in terms of fielding crosses and the like), but

From what I've seen the Argentinean league is direct like Serie A and
the Premiership so I don't think Chilavert would have problems in the
air.

Quote:
>    *Defence?*  Liverpool don't have any real excellent defenders,

Too short other than Babb who sucks.

Quote:
>    *Midfield?*  A pity we sold Kennedy before we were able to really
>be given a chance?  Paul Ince .......  needs to lead more by example,
>rather than biting at referees all the time.  He still has some
>presence, so he should use that, rather than wasting his time getting
>booked all the time.  Be hard, but sensible.

Can't understand how he went from being one of the best and most
*** midfielders in Serie A to non-playing midfielder ala Albertini.

Quote:
>    *Forwards?*    We have good forwards.  Riedle is good in the air

But Terrible on the ground. Liverpool have too many short players and
seem to shy from star name foreigners.

Quote:
>    *Tactics?*    Does anyone else think that perhaps Liverpool did

Too much square passing, too much passing in general. They need to play
more direct and need to start using 2-3 passes when counter attacking
instead of pissing about and letting the other team get back in numbers.

Getting rid of spineless Evans would be a great start.

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Post by David Jame » Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>Don't guess you'll be too pleased with a Man United fan commenting on
>Liverpool's plight, but here goes anyway:

>  The team is a mixup of of great players, players who are supposed to
>be great but are overated, and some strange management decisons.
>     Obviously the defense has some problems, but i don't think the
>main problem is there but in the midfield where its true Liverpool
>boast some big names. Ince is not and has never done the job as
>midfield general for the team, a hard man the like of Batty or Keane
>is needed to out some steel in the midfield, Macca is in great form
>and needs to continue to play wide where he will cause opposing
>defenses many problems. The main problem with the midfield for me is
>the way over-rated Jamie Redknapp, with a forward line as talented as
>they have they need someone with the ability to feed them, sadly
>Redknapp is not this player, lacking speed and quickness and a not too
>imaginative football mind, the team is destined for more bad results
>unless he is replaced with someone who can dominate the midfield.

No I don't mind a Man U fan commenting especially when the comments are as
measured as yours.

You are right about the mid-field, Ince has completely lost it since Sweden,
his passing has been apalling and his leadership has been non-existant.
Redknapp would have been the all-round midfielder we (and England) so badly
need but the injuries have made him ordinary. While MacManaman is a
wonderful talent I think he has restricted the way we play for too long. I
think selling him will allow Houllier to build a side more capable of
challenging you lot and the Arse.

The defence is however my main concern. Its not so much that they are very
bad players, true they all have weaknesses but so do many of the players at
OT and Highbury, but they have no organisation and they never look
confident. (The crowd doesn't help because you can hear the fear whenever
teams attack us.) We need a new keeper, a left back and at least one central
defender before Christmas or any chance of respectability this season is
lost.

The only hope we have is the youngsters. Thompson and Murphy always impress
and deserve a proper run in the team, Carragher is improving all the time
but needs to be allowed to develop without having the repsonsibility he has
had forced on him, and of course I don't need to talk about St. Michael.

What we really need is for Houllier to bring over his own French Connection.
I'd love to see us sign the likes of Zidane, Lizerazu, Blanc and
Henri.........but I guess for now I'm stuck with Leonhardsen, Kvarme,
Bjornebye and MacAteer.

Oh Jesus!

 
 
 

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Post by Peh Te » Sat, 14 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
> The defence is however my main concern. Its not so much that they are very
> bad players, true they all have weaknesses but so do many of the players at
> OT and Highbury, but they have no organisation and they never look
> confident. (The crowd doesn't help because you can hear the fear whenever
> teams attack us.) We need a new keeper, a left back and at least one central
> defender before Christmas or any chance of respectability this season is
> lost.

 yep..the defense is totally unacceptable. i don't think u can really
blame the keepers.... the likes of carragher and staunton does not
exactly instill confidence in them... carragher's coming along fine... i
still think he's more suited to a midfield role rather than being a
defender. staunton's filling in great but he's better off at the left
side of the defence. so what we need is now is a centre back quickly . i
guess mcatter is alright for now.....heard that houllier is getting rid
of a lot of players....which i think is rather exciting...a lot of dead
wood in the team.. i reckon, especially in the defense.

cheers

jay