World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by Daniel Windle » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:08:52



Quote:



>> > The Argentineans continued to ride their luck, Morales found Borgetti
>> > with
>> > a
>> > fantastic pass, he controlled the ball on his chest just as he was
>> > about
>> > to
>> > shoot Sorin leapt in the air and kicked him in the face, catching the
>> > ball
>> > a
>> > split second before catching Borgetti, clear as day penalty and
>> > dangerous
>> > play,
>> > nothing given.

>> If it was dangerous play, an indirect free-kick should have been given,
>> not
>> a penalty.

> Of course it is only as long dangverous play as no contact is made -
> once contact is made dangerous play becomes a foul.

Except he got the ball first  and then scraped Borgetti's face.  Borgetti,
who was complaining to the referee the entire game, made no complaints about
the lack of call.  If a player makes contact with a ball before making
contact with a player, it is not a foul unless there was an intent to foul,
such as in certain studs up situations.

Daniel

 
 
 

World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by Daniel Windle » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:08:52


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>> ARGENTINA                       2-1                     MEXICO
>> Borgetti 10 (og)                                        Marquez 6
>> Rodriguez 98
> \> advancing Sanchez and wide of a post. Heinze escaped with a yellow card
> for a
>> lunging last man foul on Fonseca, having lost possession with a terrible
>> first
>> touch on a pass from his goalkeeper.

> That could have been a red, though the ref pointed to the second
> Argentinean defender
> who was level with Heinz, but in my view probably did not have the angle
> to prevent
> a one-on-one with the goalie.

I believe Heinze should have been sent off, and most of the Argetinean media
agrees.

Quote:

> Both right and left back were the weakest links for Argentina IMO.

Sorin (left back) wasn't too bad, although not nearly as good as he usually
is for Argentina, since he is almost invariably Argentina's best player.
The weak(est) links were Scaloni (right back), Cambiasso, and Heinze.  In
the first half, the Mexican defense gave Cambiasso a lot of space, as it
seemed that they had two men covering everyone else (especially Riquelme),
yet Cambiasso looked lost and almost always made the wrong play.  Hopefully,
Lucho Gonzalez will be fit for the next match.

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Quote:

>> The Argentineans continued to ride their luck, Morales found Borgetti
>> with a
>> fantastic pass, he controlled the ball on his chest just as he was about
>> to
>> shoot Sorin leapt in the air and kicked him in the face, catching the
>> ball a
>> split second before catching Borgetti, clear as day penalty and dangerous
>> play,
>> nothing given.

> Did you see a replay of this? I never did. All I saw was the live shot,
> and there
> it seemed like Sorin kicked the ball into Borgetti's face and it  bounced
> to Abbondanzieri.
> But  I did wonder what really happened there. Did you get to see a shot
> from behind the goal line?

This was clearly neither a penalty nor a dangerous play (which would have
resulted in an indirect free kick anyway).  I saw the replay several times
in slow motion (after reading Benny's original post).  Sorin connects with
the ball completely and then scrapes Borgetti's face.  Borgetti's head was
bent down and Sorin's leg was not above waist level.  Borgetti, who
complained about everything else, registered no complaint regarding the
non-call.

Quote:

>> Argentina immediately broke and Saviola was denied by an
>> excellent save from Sanchez. Fonseca missed an easy header with a weak
>> leap and
>> Messi had a goal incorrectly ruled out for offside minutes before full
>> time.

> Yep. This is where Mexico got a break from the officials. In fairness it
> was a hard call to get right.
> Especially since it would have decided the game. The linesman just didn't
> have the guts.

Or he just made a mistake.

Quote:
>> I think the refereeing has been of a decent standard in this tournament
>> but
>> Massimo Busacca and his linesman were terrible.

> I disagree. There were many games with much worse refereeing. The missed
> calls
> could have gone either way (though, I admit I did not have a good view of
> the Borgetti incident).

I think he should have sent Heinze off and there was a mistake on the
Argentina goal in injury time.  He missed a penalty by Ayala, who tackled an
attacker to the ground during a corner kick, although it's hard to take note
of everything that takes place in the area during these dead balls.  Also he
called fouls on two Maxi drives and actually pulled a yellow card on a
Mexican player for a foul on Sorin, when the replay showed that Sorin dove.
On the other hand, he waved play on on a number of small midfield fouls.

Daniel

 
 
 

World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by Benn » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:34:52

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> Subject : World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

>Germany was impressive, they dominated this game, were tremendous
>moving the ball around at will and threatened often, but next time they
>need to pass up a few of the long range shot opportunities and get into
>the box. The four or five times they tried that they either
>scored a goal or forced a great save from Issakson.

I like the pace and fluidity of their attacks, very reminiscent of how
the last great German side (1990) played.

Quote:
>Did you see a replay of this? I never did. All I saw was the live shot,
>and there it seemed like Sorin kicked the ball into Borgetti's face and
>it  bounced to Abbondanzieri. But  I did wonder what really happened
>there. Did you get to see a shot from behind the goal line?

They didn't show a replay, I was suspicious of the way in which
Borgetti's head snapped back so I freeze framed the action.

Quote:
>Better than Cole's goal in my opinion. Cole's goal was a top 5-10 in
>the WC, but in Maxi R's goal there is no question about the goalie
>misplaying it even the slightest bit.

Bear in mind Issakson is almost 6ft 6in? That probably helped him get a
touch.

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>Certainly not. It's an enticing matchup, but it could end up being a
>tense game without many chances. I hope it lives up to the billing.

>Erdal

I'm expecting a high scoring game, nice to see two former winners
matched up, something desperately lacking in 2002.

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World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by Matthias Mühlic » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:27:04

Erdal Paksoy schrieb:

Quote:
>>Klose, they were both pulling each others shirts. Two German players (Frings and
>>?) then talked the ref into giving Lucic a second yellow,

IMO, no WC quality referee can be talked into doing something which he
wouldn't have done anyway.

Nevertheless, I agree that the behaviour of the German players did not
look good.

Quote:
> Man of the match was a close call between Klose and Isaksson.

ACK.

Quote:
> Germany was impressive, they dominated this game, were tremendous moving the ball around
> at will and threatened often, but next time they need to pass up a few of the long
> range shot opportunities and get into the box. The four or five times they tried that they either
> scored a goal or forced a great save from Issakson.

Ballack and Schneider also forced great saves with ranged shots. Without
Isaksson, the scoreline would have been higher.

Germany did not play at full strength in the second half. Why should
they? The were 2-0 up, controlled the game and let the time run down.
Overall, it was an impressive performance. Let Argentina come; on Friday
evening, we know more about Germany's strengths and weaknesses...

MM

 
 
 

World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by JK » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:17:37

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> ARGENTINA                       2-1                     MEXICO
> Borgetti 10 (og)                                        Marquez 6
> Rodriguez 98

One comment:  Rafa Marquez is the best Mexican player I have ever seen.
 
 
 

World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by Benn » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:14:28

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> Subject : World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One


>> ARGENTINA                       2-1                     MEXICO
>> Borgetti 10 (og)                                        Marquez 6
>> Rodriguez 98

>One comment:  Rafa Marquez is the best Mexican player I have ever seen.

That's not much of compliment:)

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World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by JK » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:11:02

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>>Subject : World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One


>>>ARGENTINA                       2-1                     MEXICO
>>>Borgetti 10 (og)                                        Marquez 6
>>>Rodriguez 98

>>One comment:  Rafa Marquez is the best Mexican player I have ever seen.

> That's not much of compliment:)

Normally, I'd agree!

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World Cup 2006 - Last 16 Day One

Post by Bruce Scott TO » Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:41:50

[Podolski]

Quote:
> [...] Poldi is a simple backstreet boy with a head full of
>silly ideas. He needs to develop a personality and someone who is
>bringing him up to good sportsmanship. Then he will have everything to
>become a great player.

Maybe Magath can help with that :-)

Still, I thought the card was fully justified as it was an intentional
shirt-pull to stop a breakaway counterattack.  For me a very obvious
card.  The only reason for any controversy might be that referees
(incorrectly) do not _always_ card that play.  But they should do, as
the rules on unsportsmanlike fouling make crystal clear.

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