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Post by fran » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:44:19


On tonights show Les Murray, & John Warren had a guest who is the
head of the Profession Referree Association of Australian.. who stated
the ref from that Korea-Italy game was a disgrace.
Video evidence clearly shows the calls for Totti and Offside on
Tommasi were bad. How anyone can deny video evidence is beyond me.

Fact is these people are not even Italian and they were honest enough to admit
how aweful the Ref was in that game and many before it.

FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when required.
It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
official. Whats 3 minutes?

Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.

 
 
 

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Post by Merlinzet » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:52:04

WTF
He did not say it was a disgrace. He agreed that Totti was a no-call, but AFAIK he never said
anything as strong as "disgrace".

PS. What the hell is up with that guy in Seoul saying "South Koreans may miss the finer point of
football"?

--
PILSENG KOREA!

Quote:

> On tonights show Les Murray, & John Warren had a guest who is the
> head of the Profession Referree Association of Australian.. who stated
> the ref from that Korea-Italy game was a disgrace.
> Video evidence clearly shows the calls for Totti and Offside on
> Tommasi were bad. How anyone can deny video evidence is beyond me.

> Fact is these people are not even Italian and they were honest enough to admit
> how aweful the Ref was in that game and many before it.

> FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when required.
> It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
> only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
> official. Whats 3 minutes?

> Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.


 
 
 

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Post by John Au » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:52:27

Get ***ed you SORE LOSER!!

It will be a better cup now that the defensive Italians are out.


Quote:
> On tonights show Les Murray, & John Warren had a guest who is the
> head of the Profession Referree Association of Australian.. who stated
> the ref from that Korea-Italy game was a disgrace.
> Video evidence clearly shows the calls for Totti and Offside on
> Tommasi were bad. How anyone can deny video evidence is beyond me.

> Fact is these people are not even Italian and they were honest enough to
admit
> how aweful the Ref was in that game and many before it.

> FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when
required.
> It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
> only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
> official. Whats 3 minutes?

> Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.


 
 
 

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Post by Mike Hal » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:15:47

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:52:04 GMT, "Merlinzeta"

Quote:

>PS. What the hell is up with that guy in Seoul saying "South Koreans may miss the finer point of
>football"?

He was talking about all the new fans not knowing the rules.
 
 
 

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Post by napie » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:45:34

Quote:

> FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when
required.
> It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
> only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
> official. Whats 3 minutes?

> Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.

Franco, I've watched the Totti incident over-and-over, and I'm convinced it
was a dive and the referee was correct. Totti started going down before
there was ANY contact with the defender. And he immediately started
appealing for a penalty. He has only himself to blame. He should accept
responsibility. In the previous game against Mexico he was cautioned for the
same offence. In this game (v.s Korea) he also pretended to be hit in his
face when he wasn't. I wanted Italy to win, but the referee was not
responsible for their loss. I've watched the game over, and the referee had
an excellent game. Hopefully we same him in later games in the tournament.
 
 
 

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Post by Ekechi K. E. Nwoka » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:00:40

Quote:

> > FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when
> required.
> > It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
> > only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
> > official. Whats 3 minutes?

> > Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.

> Franco, I've watched the Totti incident over-and-over, and I'm convinced it
> was a dive and the referee was correct. Totti started going down before
> there was ANY contact with the defender. And he immediately started
> appealing for a penalty. He has only himself to blame. He should accept
> responsibility. In the previous game against Mexico he was cautioned for the
> same offence. In this game (v.s Korea) he also pretended to be hit in his
> face when he wasn't. I wanted Italy to win, but the referee was not
> responsible for their loss. I've watched the game over, and the referee had
> an excellent game. Hopefully we same him in later games in the tournament.

Thank you. How come nobody else is seeing this? They just want to
_believe_ that Italy deserved to win. They didn't. They were beaten.
Period.

I think it was a fairly called game. Very much so.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve K. Le » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:55:18

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:00:40 -0700, "Ekechi K. E. Nwokah"

Quote:


>> > FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when
>> required.
>> > It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
>> > only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
>> > official. Whats 3 minutes?

>> > Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.

>> Franco, I've watched the Totti incident over-and-over, and I'm convinced it
>> was a dive and the referee was correct. Totti started going down before
>> there was ANY contact with the defender. And he immediately started
>> appealing for a penalty. He has only himself to blame. He should accept
>> responsibility. In the previous game against Mexico he was cautioned for the
>> same offence. In this game (v.s Korea) he also pretended to be hit in his
>> face when he wasn't. I wanted Italy to win, but the referee was not
>> responsible for their loss. I've watched the game over, and the referee had
>> an excellent game. Hopefully we same him in later games in the tournament.

>Thank you. How come nobody else is seeing this? They just want to
>_believe_ that Italy deserved to win. They didn't. They were beaten.
>Period.

>I think it was a fairly called game. Very much so.

Yep.  But I believe this is a case of "we_were_suppose_to_win_it"
complex.
 
 
 

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Post by Hans Jeffer » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:24:32

As Merlinzeta says, the panel never referred to the refereeing as 'a
disgrace'. What they said was that the Totti decision should have been a
no-call based on all the video evidence. The only legitimate criticism that
can be directed at this ref was that he wasn't in a very good position to
make such an important call. But Totti definately went looking for contact,
which is a dangerous tactic to use (similar to Owens) - both incidents could
have been called a penalty, a no-call, or a dive.

Also, the offside call was not the fault of the ref!!! And looking at the
stills, Tommasi was level - are you saying that a level player has never
been wrongly called off-side before? It was an incorrect decision, which
cost Italy a shot at goal, no more or less. While I feel sorry for the
number of off-side decisions that have went against Italy over the
tournament (Croatia game, in particular), this was the linesman's only
mistake in the game, and it is only with the benefit of slow-motion video
that we can tell he got it (just) wrong.

Agree with your point about using video. But I think it should also be used
for punishing diving, repeated shirt-pulling, faking injury, etc. - not sure
the Italian team would fare any better!

 Hans.


Quote:
> On tonights show Les Murray, & John Warren had a guest who is the
> head of the Profession Referree Association of Australian.. who stated
> the ref from that Korea-Italy game was a disgrace.
> Video evidence clearly shows the calls for Totti and Offside on
> Tommasi were bad. How anyone can deny video evidence is beyond me.

> Fact is these people are not even Italian and they were honest enough to
admit
> how aweful the Ref was in that game and many before it.

> FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when
required.
> It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
> only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
> official. Whats 3 minutes?

> Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.

 
 
 

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Post by Greg Bower » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:23:12

Quote:

>> FIFA are a joke. The technology existence to validate a goal when
>required.
>> It takes 60 seconds to validate a goal by video. In most games you will
>> only have 2-3 goals scored, which means 3 minutes of validation by a 4th
>> official. Whats 3 minutes?

>> Congratulations to FIFA for making this cup a disgrace.

>Franco, I've watched the Totti incident over-and-over, and I'm convinced it
>was a dive and the referee was correct. Totti started going down before
>there was ANY contact with the defender. And he immediately started
>appealing for a penalty. He has only himself to blame. He should accept
>responsibility. In the previous game against Mexico he was cautioned for the
>same offence. In this game (v.s Korea) he also pretended to be hit in his
>face when he wasn't. I wanted Italy to win, but the referee was not
>responsible for their loss. I've watched the game over, and the referee had
>an excellent game. Hopefully we same him in later games in the tournament.

Yep.  I've got a ReplayTV (a stand-alone device that uses hardware to
MPEG-2 encode the video to a hard disk) and I've watched and watched
it, and slow-moed the slow-moes.  Totti would not have made his next
step, contact or not.  Why?  Because he dived.  Since he left his feet
BEFORE making contact he gets a yellow in my book.  I'd excuse him if
the Korean was sliding through him, but he wasn't.

I'm not an Italian fan, but I wanted Italy to win, just like I've
wanted them to win the '90 Semi, '94 Final and 2000 Euro Final.  This
game could've gone either way.  The reffing was professional, in my
view.  The offside?  Not the ref's call.