New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by JMS » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:19:04


My theory on why Spain and Italy lost to Korea is that they SIMPLY WERE'NT
GOOD ENOUGH.

Don't blame the refs
Dont's blame the coach
Don't blame FIFA
Blame the players

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Steve K. Le » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:08:51



Quote:


>>My theory on why Spain and Italy lost to Korea is that they SIMPLY WERE'NT
>>GOOD ENOUGH.

>>Don't blame the refs
>>Dont's blame the coach
>>Don't blame FIFA
>>Blame the players

>That's the stupidest, most non-intelligent sounding theory I have heard in a
>while.

Right but the *** theories bode well with you?

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Shawn Pickrel » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:19:00

Quote:

> Exactly Devin. Some people just don't get it. They actually think Korea
> really beat Spain and Italy. How silly. Anyone with half a brain knows
> Spain and Italy in reality walked the games. If not for the referees,
> they'd have obviously and clearly beaten the Koreans. Right?

Meaningless World Cup games, all of them.

Shawn Pickrell

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by laba » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:26:24



Quote:
> My theory on why Spain and Italy lost to Korea is that they SIMPLY WERE'NT
> GOOD ENOUGH.

> Don't blame the refs
> Dont's blame the coach
> Don't blame FIFA
> Blame the players

Ermm, actually there's one aspect to all this, that hasn't been mentioned. I
for one, must admit Korea are a good team, and it's not any dishonor to the
World Cup that they're in the semi's (unlike the fact Brazil and Germany are
there). What does irritate me, and most other people, is that they couldn't
exactly utilize their strength to the full, and in terms of goals scored v
Spain (for instance) clearly lost. Spain proved they are a better team with
the serious chances they created. And finished. With all due respect to
Korea, they played well, they would've deserved the penalty shoot-out
victory, but if Spain had muffed those chances by themselves.

The semi's are a real disappointment, because on one end you have Korea, who
have gone through some serious competition, proved they can play, and on the
other you have the untested Turks (Senegal were clearly tired), the
hopelessly lucky Germans, and the average Brazilians, but still Brazilians.

As lame as it can get. Not one team that really earned it, is in the semi's.
Perhaps only Turkey, who has played better and better as the tournament's
gone on (admittedly had some luck along the way, because they wouldn't have
been here by now, had some really serious opponents caught them earlier on,
when they weren't this good, but still...), but can anyone imagine the Turks
with the World Cup?;) Damnit, they're probably the only***ier nation than
England and it's dumb press.

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by David Kaise » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:36:36

  Thank you. . .thank you. . .thank you. . .

  Let me be blunt.  There's a school of fandom among leading teams whose view
is, "If we COULD have won, we SHOULD have won."

  WRONG!

                David K.

Quote:

> My theory on why Spain and Italy lost to Korea is that they SIMPLY WERE'NT
> GOOD ENOUGH.

> Don't blame the refs
> Dont's blame the coach
> Don't blame FIFA
> Blame the players

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Manuel Ben » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:51:47

Quote:

> > That's the stupidest, most non-intelligent sounding theory I have heard in
> > a while.

> Exactly Devin. Some people just don't get it. They actually think Korea
> really beat Spain and Italy. How silly. Anyone with half a brain knows Spain
> and Italy in reality walked the games. If not for the referees, they'd have
> obviously and clearly beaten the Koreans. Right?

You know what really amazes me? You guys.

I mean, it's not the match, not the referee, just you guys.

It's that sick attitude of most of you. You will find any excuse to avoid
commenting the match, because everything you want is to charge against those
who complain about it. Well, another European country is down, and I am sure
that it makes most of you feel good. Even Blatter has talked about the
referee mistakes, but not you. If I say that the referees were 3rd world
soccer referees, such as Trinidad Tobago, Egypt or Uganda, you will
charge against me. Wow. Sorry. I guess they have great experience.
And if I say that Korea was not superior, oh crap, that's eurocentrism.

Bunch of hypocrites. All of you make me feel sick.

Manolo

PS Vic, you can keep your nice and warm words to you. I haven't read a word
from you making any mention to the refereeing mistakes and that's all I need.

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Victoria Barret » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:08:22


<snip>

Quote:
> If I say that the referees were 3rd world
> soccer referees, such as Trinidad Tobago, Egypt or Uganda, you will
> charge against me. Wow. Sorry. I guess they have great experience.

I wasn't going to touch this as it might seem personal, but this above
coming from you, the self-styled Mr. Commie, seems unbelievable. Fancy
someone of your world views, who is always for the little guy or the
proletariat or against globalisation with all the First World Domination
that implies, as you've said many times on RSS, suddenly, when the chips are
down and something is actually at stake, questioning their professional
calibre because they are FROM THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO
FOOTBALL of UEFA QUALITY.

You don't want warm and nice words? Okay then. Answer me this Manuel Benet
Navarro: where was your cries of "Ojo!" when the referees were announced
before the tournament? Dani Sdao published a full list of them, as did the
EIFL guy.

I just did a search about our posts regarding refs at that time. NOT ONE
POST, not one warning us to watch out.

And certainly none from you. So shove it, tio.

And please no more posts about me. This is a big newsgroup. We can exist
together at opposite sides of it just fine.

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Magnus Homan » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:08:28

Quote:



> <snip>
> > If I say that the referees were 3rd world
> > soccer referees, such as Trinidad Tobago, Egypt or Uganda, you will
> > charge against me. Wow. Sorry. I guess they have great experience.

> I wasn't going to touch this as it might seem personal, but this above
> coming from you, the self-styled Mr. Commie, seems unbelievable. Fancy
> someone of your world views, who is always for the little guy or the
> proletariat or against globalisation with all the First World Domination
> that implies, as you've said many times on RSS, suddenly, when the chips are
> down and something is actually at stake, questioning their professional
> calibre because they are FROM THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO
> FOOTBALL of UEFA QUALITY.

They don't, that's for sure. They don't have the experience. Denying
this is just so stupid.

Your comments about Manuel being a 'commie' are hilarious...

Homann
--
Magnus Homann, M.Sc. CS & E

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Frank Downe » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:58:20


Quote:


> <snip>
> > If I say that the referees were 3rd world
> > soccer referees, such as Trinidad Tobago, Egypt or Uganda, you will
> > charge against me. Wow. Sorry. I guess they have great experience.

> I wasn't going to touch this as it might seem personal, but this above
> coming from you, the self-styled Mr. Commie, seems unbelievable. Fancy
> someone of your world views, who is always for the little guy or the
> proletariat or against globalisation with all the First World Domination
> that implies, as you've said many times on RSS, suddenly, when the chips
are
> down and something is actually at stake, questioning their professional
> calibre because they are FROM THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO
> FOOTBALL of UEFA QUALITY.

I can see his point, though.

Using my figure skating examples again, a few years ago there was a world
championship where the judges' panel for the ladies' final was full of
countries like Romania and Croatia. Someone posted what a joke that was, and
someone else posted similar to what you just did <G>. However, it's a valid
point--to get to judge on an international panel, you have to put in your
time on the national level. However, a judge from the USA or Russia has seen
*far*far* better skating on the national level than any judge from Romania
or Croatia. It's experience *with a higher level of the sport*.A Romanian
judge, until they judge internationally, has never judged a
top-ten-in-the-world skater. Russian and American and Canadian judges have
been judging world medalists for *years*, on the National level, before they
ever get an international assignment.

Now, which type of soccer referee has had that kind of experience--one who
works in the Premiership, or one who works in the Trinidad-Tobago domestic
league?

Look, how many players from the 'lesser football nations' (including the
USA, I might add <G>) actually play in the top European leagues? Quite a
few. If that many *players* are coming from those leagues--no matter the
nation on their kit--shouldn't the bulk of the officials come from those
leagues, also? That's where the top level of soccer is played, is it not,
even if you're Japanese or Senegalese or American?

I'm speaking in the abstract, here--I don't know the backgrounds of any
particular referees, and if a ref who is a native of Trinidad has actually
been working the past five years in the Bundesliga, well then hooray!
However, I *do* think the quality of the play that a ref sees in their
day-to-day refereeing *is* important.  Senegalese *players* are
battle-toughened by playing in the French league. Does anyone think they
would have done as well without that big-league experience? And why would
this be any different for an official?

--Frank

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Shawn Pickrel » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:14:55

Quote:

> down and something is actually at stake, questioning their professional
> calibre because they are FROM THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE
> NO FOOTBALL of UEFA QUALITY.

I also find the assertions that there are no hostile, racuous crowds
outside of Europe to be laughable.

Shawn Pickrell

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Goldmu » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:22:09

Quote:

>My theory on why Spain and Italy lost to Korea is that they SIMPLY WERE'NT
>GOOD ENOUGH.

>Don't blame the refs
>Dont's blame the coach
>Don't blame FIFA
>Blame the players

Not very supported as a theory. And it spots only part of the truth.

Goldmund -
on Usenet since 1997

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Shawn Pickrel » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:31:44

Quote:

> They don't, that's for sure. They don't have the experience. Denying
> this is just so stupid.

I was unaware that footballing rules outside of Europe are
different than those in Europe.

I was unaware that there are no racuous crowds outside of Europe.

Silly me.

Shawn Pickrell

 
 
 

New theory on why Spain and Italy Lost

Post by Magnus Homan » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:29:59

Quote:


> > down and something is actually at stake, questioning their professional
> > calibre because they are FROM THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE
> > NO FOOTBALL of UEFA QUALITY.

> I also find the assertions that there are no hostile, racuous crowds
> outside of Europe to be laughable.

Who asserted this?

Homann
--
Magnus Homann, M.Sc. CS & E