Leicester v Llanelli: RESULT and comments

Leicester v Llanelli: RESULT and comments

Post by John William » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:50:27


Leicester (3) 13-12 (9) Llanelli
--------------------------------

Heineken Cup Semi-Final
Nottingham City Ground

Leicester: 15 Stimpson, Murphy, Smith, Kafer, Tuilagi, Healey, 9
Ellis; 1 Rowntree, West, Garforth, M. Johnson, Kay, Moody, Back,
Corry.

Replacements: Lloyd for Tuilagi (71), Hamilton for Ellis (64).
Not Used: Freshwater,***erill, Deacon, Balding, Goode.

Llanelli: 15 G. Evans, M. Jones, N. ***yer, L. Davies, Finau, S.
Jones, 9 G. Easterby; 1 Madden, McBryde, J. Davies, Cooper, Wyatt,
Hodges, S. Easterby, Quinnell.

Replacements: Proctor for G. Evans (71), Gross for Wyatt (72), I.
***yer for S. Easterby (72).
Not Used: Booth, Thomas, Peel, G. Bowen.

Conditions: Firm pitch but very blustery, with occasional squalls.
Wind maybe in Llanelli's favour first half.
Att: 29,849.
Ref: David McHugh (Ireland).

Third time round, and all at stake after the win apiece in the pool
stages of the EC. Way back at the end of September, Leicester had just
pipped Llanelli by 12-9, in a forward dominated game, and Llanelli had
won more convincingly at home in mid January.

Plenty of compliments from either side leading into the game, with the
verdict of the Leicester spokesmen that Llanelli are probably stronger
than Wales at the moment.

It was strange to park on the banks of the Trent and not be going to
the test ground. Absolutely heaving full house, with a steward telling
me Forest have been getting about 20k recently. He seemed delighted at
the behaviour of the supporters, with the segregation just because of
the way the tickets had been allocated.

It turned out the Llanelli fans had been given the better end, as
although the flags were pointing all over the place, the wind within
the stadium seemed influential in keeping the ball away from the Trent
End pretty well all game.

As to the game, it was pretty much the same as the previous two games,
with just a small adjustment in the key phases. Llanelli did slightly
better in the lineout, with the occasional scrappy ball for Ellis to
deal with as best he could, and one or two knock-ons. On the other
hand, Leicester has the slimmest of edges at the scrum - at least the
way McHugh blew it.

In the tight, the big Llanelli runners, Quinnell and Madden, were kept
comparatively quiet, with some crunching tackles around the fringes.
On the other hand, Leicester again tried to put width on the ball too
early, without using the forwards first. At least they tried though,
whereas Llanelli pragmatically put boot to ball at every opportunity.
It was a good idea too, especially in the first half with the wind in
their favour. One consequence of the wide pitch, which might not have
been obvious on TV, was the difficulty in Leicester 1st half, and
Llanelli 2nd half, getting the ball into the opposition territory.

Llanelli an advantage in the first 40, without ever threatening the
Leicester line, and it was just a question of whether the 6 point lead
at the break was enough. It wasn't, by the barest margin. Ellis broke
the try duck between the sides when he suddenly found a gap close in,
and ran 25m or so to score early in the second half. See what happens
when you don't automatically shovel the ball out, Tigers?

A penalty from Jones to put Llanelli back 12-10 ahead with lots of
time on the clock still, but the conditions still favoured Leicester.
Plenty of territory, but far too often Leicester were overe***d and
fell foul of McHugh in Llanelli territory, giving the Scarlets a
breather. Near the end, and a hideous knock on from Johnson seemed to
seal the game. But no, frantic stuff and a penalty for Leicester a few
metres in their own half. time for a punt and lineout in the Llanelli
22? Seemingly not, and Stimpson called for his tee. I'd put it down as
a 20% chance. Drilled very low to beat the swirling wind above the
height of the stands, off the woodwork and over.

The closest of teams, and a desperate way for Llanelli to lose their
second semi in three years. Seems the great engraver still can't get
the hang of those Lls. Next year, boys. You can't always be so
unfortunate.

--

All the best,
John Williams.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Bloome » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:42:51



..snip nice report...

Quote:
>The closest of teams, and a desperate way for Llanelli to lose their
>second semi in three years. Seems the great engraver still can't get
>the hang of those Lls. Next year, boys. You can't always be so
>unfortunate.

  No they've done enough in 2 seasons....ultimately I think they have to
go beyong 10 man rugby and put sides away.The curse of the flukey kick
is lifted when you have a 10 point lead at the death.
--
Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Jeremy Fieldse » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:41:41

Quote:

> Ellis broke
> the try duck between the sides when he suddenly found a gap close in,
> and ran 25m or so to score early in the second half. See what happens
> when you don't automatically shovel the ball out, Tigers?

It looked astonishing on the box.  The camera behind the posts showed a
few bodies on the floor with the Llanelli defence perfectly laid out:
left and right guards with corresonding lines of defenders.
Unfortuneately there was *no one* behind the ball so young Ellis took
the obvious route.  I think it's a common weakness of this curtain
defence that all too often there are not enough players, (and in this
case none at all) behind the ball and in the ruck. With good tacklers
spread all over the field, quite often the simplest route to attack is
straight up the middle with a good old rolling maul.  

The other wonderful aspect for Ellis's try was that he had the good
sense to dive for the line a good 5m out and using the wet turf, skidded
over the line with a least one tackler on his back.  Had he not done so,
he would almost certainly have been stopped short or held up.

And as for Stimmo's kick!  Apparantly, in the tv interviews, he said
that Johnson had opted for kick to touch by Stimpson, backed up by
Healey (!) fancied it.  You gotta feel for those Welsh boys.

--
Jeremy
to email, feel free to take the***out of me


 
 
 

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Post by Alistair Hutto » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:54:03

Quote:

> And as for Stimmo's kick!  Apparantly, in the tv interviews, he said
> that Johnson had opted for kick to touch by Stimpson, backed up by
> Healey (!) fancied it.  You gotta feel for those Welsh boys.

I'd have felt a bit more sorry for Llaneli had they (and especially)
Stephen Jones not gone utterly insane in the last ten minutes.  Jones
especially seemed to expect every kick to touch to bring the final
whistle.  Look at his reaction when Johnson knocked the ball on with a
good 8 mins left of normal time, hands aloft as if they'd won the game.

--
Alistair Hutton

 
 
 

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Post by pete devli » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:33:55



Quote:
>It looked astonishing on the box.  The camera behind the posts showed a
>few bodies on the floor with the Llanelli defence perfectly laid out:
>left and right guards with corresonding lines of defenders.
>Unfortuneately there was *no one* behind the ball so young Ellis took
>the obvious route.

This really was a schoolboy mistake! It is a bread and butter basic in
this kind of defence that there should be a post either side of the
break down and a "pillar" standing behind to cover anybody coming
through the middle. I really did feel for Llanelli though, maybe next
year, again!
--
Pete Devlin
Lossiemouth RUFC http://www.lossiemouth-rufc.co.uk
ICQ #28188540
 
 
 

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Post by John William » Wed, 01 May 2002 02:46:05

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:54:03 +0100, Alistair Hutton

Quote:


>> And as for Stimmo's kick!  Apparantly, in the tv interviews, he said
>> that Johnson had opted for kick to touch by Stimpson, backed up by
>> Healey (!) fancied it.  You gotta feel for those Welsh boys.
>I'd have felt a bit more sorry for Llaneli had they (and especially)
>Stephen Jones not gone utterly insane in the last ten minutes.  Jones
>especially seemed to expect every kick to touch to bring the final
>whistle.  Look at his reaction when Johnson knocked the ball on with a
>good 8 mins left of normal time, hands aloft as if they'd won the game.

8 minutes still?? Wish I'd known that at the time! There was no count
down clock, and I was hoping against hope there were a few minutes to
go, and expecting the final whistle all the time. Strange how time
changes under those conditions. No excuse for Jones, I guess. On the
other hand, a nifty pass from Johnson then, and Llanelli looked like
they might have been exposed down their right.
--

All the best,
John Williams.

 
 
 

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Post by John William » Wed, 01 May 2002 02:46:07

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:42:51 +0100, Steve Bloomer

Quote:



>>The closest of teams, and a desperate way for Llanelli to lose their
>>second semi in three years. Seems the great engraver still can't get
>>the hang of those Lls. Next year, boys. You can't always be so
>>unfortunate.
>  No they've done enough in 2 seasons....ultimately I think they have to
>go beyong 10 man rugby and put sides away.The curse of the flukey kick
>is lifted when you have a 10 point lead at the death.

Indeed. I seem to remember Leicester learning the same lesson in a
certain cup final.
--

All the best,
John Williams.

 
 
 

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Post by Laura » Wed, 01 May 2002 05:16:21

Seems everyone missed the tug on Leigh Davies by Neil Back which let the scrum
half in.
It just pulled him back enough and turned him a little so that Hodges too could
not get to the scrum half.
Watch the repaly again and especially from behind the post to see this.
Revealed on Scrum 5 BBC 2 on Sunday night.

Laura

 
 
 

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Post by Richard Whitcomb » Wed, 01 May 2002 08:10:58


Quote:
> Seems everyone missed the tug on Leigh Davies by Neil Back which let the
scrum
> half in.
> It just pulled him back enough and turned him a little so that Hodges too
could
> not get to the scrum half.
> Watch the repaly again and especially from behind the post to see this.
> Revealed on Scrum 5 BBC 2 on Sunday night.

Doesnt look like anything at all.  There is no way the "prop in centre"
davies would have had the pace to get there anyway.  The harsh truth is
Llanelli strung the defence across the field and neglected the fringe and
tackle area.  They were guilty of this in the first half but it took the
scrum half an hour until he noticed that.  Why no forward defending the
tackle area?  Why no scrum half behind it?  Where was the full back?  You
need to blame those not anyone else for that try.
 
 
 

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Post by Jeremy Fieldse » Wed, 01 May 2002 19:19:21

Quote:

> Doesnt look like anything at all.  There is no way the "prop in centre"
> davies would have had the pace to get there anyway.  The harsh truth is
> Llanelli strung the defence across the field and neglected the fringe and
> tackle area.  They were guilty of this in the first half but it took the
> scrum half an hour until he noticed that.  Why no forward defending the
> tackle area?  Why no scrum half behind it?  Where was the full back?  You
> need to blame those not anyone else for that try.

It was a mistake for sure, but only in that there was no defender
marking Ellis.  With man for man marking like this there should have
been only one tackler blocking the gap and that should be enough.  And
it's not the scrum half's job any more than a lock's if the ball is
lost. I didn't see who the eventual tackler was, but it's not as though
Ellis galloped through unopposed, a cover tackler got to him but a
combination of Ellis's sense to dive early and the wet conditions
conspired to get him over the line.  It's a good illustration of the
risk involved in that style of play when confusion and miscalculation of
numbers is bound to happen every now and again.

--
Jeremy
to email, feel free to take the***out of me

 
 
 

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Post by Richard Whitcomb » Thu, 02 May 2002 00:23:07

Quote:
> It was a mistake for sure, but only in that there was no defender
> marking Ellis.  With man for man marking like this there should have
> been only one tackler blocking the gap and that should be enough.  And
> it's not the scrum half's job any more than a lock's if the ball is
> lost. I didn't see who the eventual tackler was, but it's not as though
> Ellis galloped through unopposed, a cover tackler got to him but a
> combination of Ellis's sense to dive early and the wet conditions
> conspired to get him over the line.  It's a good illustration of the
> risk involved in that style of play when confusion and miscalculation of
> numbers is bound to happen every now and again.

I think the first player to arrive was Mark Jones who came off his wing, the
fullback arrived after he'd already gone to ground.  It wasnt Jones'
responsibility for that one.  Good thinking off Ellis though to dive early
and slide, apart from that he didnt have a wonderful game.