Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by John Willia » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Leicester (17) 31     Newcastle (8) 18.
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Leicester                               Newcastle
G Murphy                        15      S Legg
L Lloyd                 14      J Nayor
S Potter                        13      M Shaw
J Stuart                        12      J Wilkinson
D Lougheed                      11      V Tuigamala
P Howard                        10      R Andrew
A Healey                        9       G Armstrong
D Jelley                        1       G Graham
R***erill                     2       R Nesdale
D Garforth                      3       M Hurter
M Johnson (c)           4       G Archer
F Van Heerden           5       D Weir
P Gustard                       6       P Walton
N Back                  7       R Arnold
M Corry                 8       R Beattie

Conditions: Soft pitch, rain, little wind.
Attendance: Approx. 13,000.
Referee: Steve Lander.

After the e***ments of the recent internationals, both sides made a
large number of errors on their return to league rugby, with neither
starting line-up quite what they wanted.

Newcastle were without Ryan: their inspirational number 8 and captain
won't play again this season having had an operation to fuse two
vertebrae. Tony Underwood and Nick Popplewell were also out injured.

Leicester fielded Howard, recently returned from a broken jaw and
doubtful with a hip injury, at fly half in place of the injured
Stransky. They were also missing Greenwood and Ezulike in the backs,
and had Potter playing his first league game for two months. Lougheed
made his first league start. However, their first choice pack was
available.

The main reason for the generally poor standard of the game was
probably that the sides hadn't played together for approaching a
month, and that showed. After the game, the Leicester players asked
the coaches if they could fit in an extra training session next
Tuesday - possibly before Deano demanded it.

Leicester had the best of the early moments. When Walton knocked on
following a Newcastle lineout in the Leicester 22, Murphy was given
some space on the right and kicked ahead. A try looked certain as
Lloyd and Murphy outpaced the Newcastle defenders, but neither could
apply downward pressure, and Newcastle escaped with a scrum for a
knock on.

Leicester continued in enterprising but slapdash vein in the Newcastle
22 until the visitors killed the ball, and the inevitable kick for an
attacking lineout led to a Van Heerden take and a drive-over try for
Back, converted by Murphy (7-0, 6 minutes). Shortly after Tuigamala
got the ball and showed himself very sluggish as Potter pulled him
down comfortably enough. Leicester continued in the driving seat with
territorial advantage, but were unable to punish Newcastle as two
penalties from 40 and 22m were missed by Murphy.

Even Lander, in lenient mood at the line-out, couldn't allow a crooked
throw from***erill, and from the resulting scrum Nesdale drove well.
Leicester were penalised for offside backs (7-3, 17 minutes,
Wilkinson). Healey kicked a penalty to give Leicester an attacking
line-out, and Murphy increased the lead for offside (10-3, 22
minutes).

Cockerill and Van Heerden both left the restart to the other, and for
the only time in the game Tuigamala broke the gain-line following an
inside pass, and Andrew found Legg on the overlap for the full back to
score in the left corner, Wilkinson just missing the conversion (10-8,
23 minutes).

Newcastle were unable to press their come-back in the second quarter
as Archer and then Arnold were penalised for foul play, but Leicester,
although on the attack, were unable to capitalise - the closest they
came was when Stuart charged down an Andrew kick, releasing Potter,
but Andrew just made the covering tackle to make amends. A minute into
injury time, by way of variety, Leicester won a lineout this time on
the right 5m out, and Back was driven over, Murphy again converting
(17-8) to give a fairly meagre lead at the break considering their
edge up front and territorial advantage.

Leicester tried to liven the game up early in the second half, however
a quick line-out following a Newcastle relieving kick saw Corry
penalised for holding the ball in the tackle, and Wilkinson hit a good
penalty from 5m inside the Leicester half (17-11, 43 minutes).

Leicester began to lose concentration as Naylor ran back a Healey bomb
and was allowed to break a few tackles, the home side only saved when
Lloyd intercepted a pass with Newcastle enjoying a two man overlap.
Howard, who'd had a quiet first half, then began to make some
expensive mistakes, knocking on and kicking badly, and Murphy had to
make a great mark from Andrew's bomb to relieve some pressure despite
Arnold being sin-binned. Then, just when it seemed Leicester had
weathered a mini-squall from Newcastle, Murphy (I think) had a
clearance kick from a scrum charged down by Andrew. Andrew just
managed to touch down before the ball went dead, though the Welford
crowd were in some doubt he'd made it. Shades of Lam's first try in
the corresponding game last season (17-18, 60 minutes).

Rowntree and West replaced Jelley and***erill, and Murphy regained
the lead for Leicester on 62 minutes (20-18). Stimpson then came on
for Howard, clearly suffering from his hip injury, and Murphy moved up
to fly half. The final quarter was easily the most competitive of the
game, as Newcastle realised the game was by no means beyond their
reach. Leicester also raised their game, with Van Heerden and Johnson
starting to take some of the visitor's line-out ball, Healey playing
possibly his most controlled kicking rugby since coming to Leicester,
and Lougheed driving hard into the tackle. Stimpson slotted goals on
37 and 42 minutes (26-18). Newcastle were then caught at the death
with Andrew's kick being charged down by Potter, who did well to get
the ball out to Stuart for an unconverted try in the left corner
(31-18 full time).

---------------

Not a high quality game, but there was plenty to keep the crowd
interested, not least the fact Newcastle might well have pulled away
to win in the final quarter. In the end though the Leicester locks won
more than their share of the ball, and the home side's discipline and
fewer errors held sway. Doubtless Newcastle will kick themselves for a
chance lost, but over the whole of the game they can certainly have no
complaints.

Andrew tried to control the game for Newcastle with his boot, but his
pack were shaded throughout the game. With Lam and Ryan in the team,
the strategy might have been successful, but with Armstrong
comparatively quiet and little zip in the backs when ball was
recycled, they were perhaps fortunate to be a point ahead going into
the final quarter.

Leicester looked like a team getting to know themselves again. Van
Heerden was my man of the match for pressurising Weir in the lineout
(often with***erill throwing very long), and putting in a fine
performance around the field. If he maintains form like that, South
Africa could do worse than select him for their world cup squad.
Apparently he will be playing in SA next summer to attempt to get into
the WC team.

Howard didn't shine at fly-half, and with Stransky out for a month or
so, will need to gain confidence very quickly if Leicester aren't to
suffer.

All the best

John Williams.

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Tim Jesso » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Leicester had the best of the early moments. When Walton knocked on
>following a Newcastle lineout in the Leicester 22, Murphy was given
>some space on the right and kicked ahead. A try looked certain as
>Lloyd and Murphy outpaced the Newcastle defenders, but neither could
>apply downward pressure, and Newcastle escaped with a scrum for a
>knock on.

Lloyd hit the ball with  his shin, did manage to get downward pressure, but
a knock-on was awarded in error.

Quote:
>clearance kick from a scrum charged down by Andrew. Andrew just
>managed to touch down before the ball went dead, though the Welford
>crowd were in some doubt he'd made it. Shades of Lam's first try in
>the corresponding game last season (17-18, 60 minutes).

In my seat, the Welford Road crowd saw Andrew touch the ball about a foot
past the line with his leg well in touch.

Oh well. Good forward scrap. Good driving play by Leicester. Some excellent
rolling mauls.

I thought that Howard looked uncomfortable, but has loads more class than,
say, Rob Liley and if he plays a more conservative game, will be better than
Serevi.

Cheers

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Ian Diddam » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Is this cup being played for again this year?  

Last year its early rounds were played during the November/December
internatinal period, but obviously this year AD games continued during
the internationals.  

Or has it been scrapped altogether?

--
Didds
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Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Ian Diddam » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> In my seat, the Welford Road crowd saw Andrew touch the ball about a
> foot past the line with his leg well in touch.

The leg in touch is an irrelevance as long as the ball isn't being
carried - ie a player can be "in touch" but apply downward pressure to a
"loose" ball to score.  Dunno from your description above whether the
ball was in-goal or over the dead-ball line.

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Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Mark Postle-Haco » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>> In my seat, the Welford Road crowd saw Andrew touch the ball about a
>> foot past the line with his leg well in touch.

>The leg in touch is an irrelevance as long as the ball isn't being
>carried - ie a player can be "in touch" but apply downward pressure to a
>"loose" ball to score.

As long as the player is not in contact with the ground in touch.
Quote:
> Dunno from your description above whether the
>ball was in-goal or over the dead-ball line.

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Adrian Conn » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>Is this cup being played for again this year?  

>Last year its early rounds were played during the November/December
>internatinal period, but obviously this year AD games continued during
>the internationals.  

>Or has it been scrapped altogether?

No, the next round of this competition is due to be played between 17-24 Feb 99.
Perhaps the top draw for the round is Saracens v Bath, the rest are:

Bristol v Moseley or Northampton
Leicester or Rugby v Bedford or Coventry
Waterloo v Exeter
London Scottish v Orrell or Sale
Newcastle v London Welsh or Richmond
Best Loser One v Best Loser Two
Gloucester v Leeds

Adrian

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by John Willia » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>>A try looked certain as
>>Lloyd and Murphy outpaced the Newcastle defenders, but neither could
>>apply downward pressure, and Newcastle escaped with a scrum for a
>>knock on.
>Lloyd hit the ball with  his shin, did manage to get downward pressure, but
>a knock-on was awarded in error.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the officials were well, well behind
the play. The combination of Murphy, Lloyd and Ezulike if fit has
pretty good pace. I guess Sky will show this on TV. If so, I'd be
grateful if a watcher could comment.

Quote:
>>clearance kick from a scrum charged down by Andrew. Andrew just
>>managed to touch down before the ball went dead, though the Welford
>>crowd were in some doubt he'd made it. Shades of Lam's first try in
>>the corresponding game last season (17-18, 60 minutes).
>In my seat, the Welford Road crowd saw Andrew touch the ball about a foot
>past the line with his leg well in touch.

Lander certainly got a lot of bird for that one. Generally the fans
give him some good-natured booing when he gets on the field then let
him get on with it. If he got both the try and the Lloyd one correct,
he deserves a medal.

Quote:
>Oh well. Good forward scrap. Good driving play by Leicester. Some excellent
>rolling mauls.
>I thought that Howard looked uncomfortable, but has loads more class than,
>say, Rob Liley and if he plays a more conservative game, will be better than
>Serevi.

He certainly had much more defensive presence than Serevi.

And where did you go after the game? I was expecting to see you...

All the best

John Williams.

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by John Red-Hor » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>As long as the player is not in contact with the ground in touch.

So, is ignorance bliss?

cheers,
john (Rugby Law 12.A.(4))

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Gary Baile » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00

what about the sound of the ball smacking into the advertising boards
before Andrew got to it.
 I heard it and i was standing next to Newcastle's 22
--
cheers
 Garry   (Tiger bar team)

Quote:

> >> In my seat, the Welford Road crowd saw Andrew touch the ball
about a
> >> foot past the line with his leg well in touch.

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Bryan R » Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:00:00

How did Dave Lougheed do? Do you think he did enough to win a first
team place for a few more games, either at center or at wing?

Bryan Ray

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by John Willia » Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>How did Dave Lougheed do? Do you think he did enough to win a first
>team place for a few more games, either at center or at wing?

The injury affected Leicester backline wasn't a major factor in the
game, and Lougheed got very little ball. He did make one powerful run
up the touchline which I think ended in a penalty to Leicester.
Defensively he was extremely sound as you'd expect.

I'm not sure how long Ezulike is expected to be injured, but I'd guess
Dave's got a good chance of a bit of a run at wing.

I can't see him getting a game at centre as Stuart is doing reasonably
well at inside centre and Potter came back from injury strongly. Once
Greenwood and Stransky are fit, Stransky/Howard/Greenwood looks the
likely midfield with Potter, Overend (currently injured) then Stuart
the pecking order.

All the best

John Williams.

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Duncan Keen » Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> How did Dave Lougheed do? Do you think he did enough to win a first
> team place for a few more games, either at center or at wing?

One Glaring mistake when chasing a good Healey kick into the corner he
made the basic error of diving on the covering player (Legg?) as he dived
on the floor. Thus preventing the player from getting to his feet and in
all honesty costing Tigers 7 points.

His general play was higher than some of the dross we have had in the
backs over the years, however Ezulike is a really exciting player and I
can't see him not walking straight back into the team.

Duncan Keene

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Paul Newto » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00

might have helped if Lander and his 2 henchmen were fit enough to keep
up with the play.............. TIGERS TIGERS
Quote:

>what about the sound of the ball smacking into the advertising boards
>before Andrew got to it.
> I heard it and i was standing next to Newcastle's 22
>--
>cheers
> Garry   (Tiger bar team)


>> >> In my seat, the Welford Road crowd saw Andrew touch the ball
>about a
>> >> foot past the line with his leg well in touch.

 
 
 

Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Ian Diddam » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> >The leg in touch is an irrelevance as long as the ball isn't being
> >carried - ie a player can be "in touch" but apply downward pressure
> > to a "loose" ball to score.

> As long as the player is not in contact with the ground in touch.

Ugh ugh....

Law 12 Try and touch down

(2) The scoring of a try includes the following cases:-

...

(4) A try may be scored by a player who is in touch or in touch-in-goal
provided he is not carrying the ball.

No mention of player not being in contact with the ground etc.
Alternatively, arguably one could only be "in touch" or "in
touch-in-goal" if one was in contact with the ground anyway.

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Report: Leicester v Newcastle. 12.12.98.

Post by Tim Jesso » Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>The leg in touch is an irrelevance as long as the ball isn't being
>carried - ie a player can be "in touch" but apply downward pressure to a
>"loose" ball to score.  Dunno from your description above whether the
>ball was in-goal or over the dead-ball line.

The leg in touch is not an irrelevance at all. If the player is in touch,
the ball is dead when he contacts the ball.

I'll have to get the law book out...