New Zealand's Problem and maybe the solution if they are prepared to listen

New Zealand's Problem and maybe the solution if they are prepared to listen

Post by Ian Dale » Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:00:00


As far as I can make out the All Blacks suffer from a dissappointingly
apparent lack of tactics.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not a master tactician, and as a lowly 5/8 come
halfback it probably isn't my place to tell John Hart how to coach his Rugby
team, but even our coach discusses set plays and on field tactics. (And one
day we will make him happy by actually doing one correctly wihtout the ball
being popped to Mr Invisible, only to bounce lonely on the ground).

I did not see one set piece from the All Blacks on Staurday night and have
not seen one in their last 3 games. In total contrast Aus's play was riddled
with set pieces from the lineouts to the rucks and mauls, right out to the
centre's - everyone was executing set plays and tactics to control the game.

It seems in New Zealand's arrogance they believe they can just send 15 guys
out into the paddock and say - "Do your stuff!"

And when they fail, they blaim individuals for not making it happen. One man
against a team of 15 (albeit Matt Burke finished off every point scoring
opportunity)

This is hard to believe but becoming obviously true. The only real piece I
saw was when Vidiri jumped in the lineout, but I think this may have been
because he was filling in, or was in the wrong place and they wanted to get
things moving quickly.

A glaringly obvious no-tactic phase was the introduction of Jonah Lomu to
charge around like an angry bull, away from anyone of use into defense. Sure
it took three guys to put him down, almost as many as it takes to put
Willi-O to the deck.

I would hate to see the ABs fall out of World Rugby (Although I doubt this
will happen) but you have to get the message home, 15 guys need leadership,
direction, and most importantly tactics.

If Hart does have tactics and does have set pieces, than give Randall the
arse as he is not filling the role as captain properly.

Nuff Said!

Ian

 
 
 

New Zealand's Problem and maybe the solution if they are prepared to listen

Post by b.. » Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> As far as I can make out the All Blacks suffer from a dissappointingly
> apparent lack of tactics.

Come on Ian, you can't be serious.

Quote:
> Now don't get me wrong, I am not a master tactician, and as a lowly 5/8 come
> halfback it probably isn't my place to tell John Hart how to coach his Rugby
> team, but even our coach discusses set plays and on field tactics. (And one
> day we will make him happy by actually doing one correctly wihtout the ball
> being popped to Mr Invisible, only to bounce lonely on the ground).

> I did not see one set piece from the All Blacks on Staurday night and have
> not seen one in their last 3 games. In total contrast Aus's play was riddled
> with set pieces from the lineouts to the rucks and mauls, right out to the
> centre's - everyone was executing set plays and tactics to control the game.

Ian. Mate. Cobber. Set pieces are scrums and lineouts. Planned team movements
are called set moves. New Zealand had any number of them. Most involved
setting up quick ruck ball. They just didn't work particularly well. New
Zealand succeeded at opportunistic, individualist stuff, particularly by
Merhtens.

Quote:
> It seems in New Zealand's arrogance they believe they can just send 15 guys
> out into the paddock and say - "Do your stuff!"

Tell you don't really believe this nonsence. Please.

Quote:

> And when they fail, they blaim individuals for not making it happen. One man
> against a team of 15 (albeit Matt Burke finished off every point scoring
> opportunity)

We blame individuals for not doing what they are capable of doing. As everyone
does.

Quote:
> A glaringly obvious no-tactic phase was the introduction of Jonah Lomu to
> charge around like an angry bull, away from anyone of use into defense. Sure
> it took three guys to put him down, almost as many as it takes to put
> Willi-O to the deck.

Oh dear oh dear. I suppose I might as well plough on. Introducing Lomu and
Maka is known as substitution. Everyone does it. Even Australia. Lomu was
used to advance the ball over the advantage line, which he did, breaking the
first tackle every time and tying up defenders. Ofehenguaue is a loose
forward. He is supposed to operate in congested taffic. That's his job.

Quote:

> I would hate to see the ABs fall out of World Rugby (Although I doubt this
> will happen) but you have to get the message home, 15 guys need leadership,
> direction, and most importantly tactics.

Thank you for your help. Expect a call from John Hart any day. Such incisive
brilliance should not be overlooked.

Quote:

> If Hart does have tactics and does have set pieces, than give Randall the
> arse as he is not filling the role as captain properly.

What ARE you talking about?

Quote:

> Nuff Said!

Much, much more than enough.

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New Zealand's Problem and maybe the solution if they are prepared to listen

Post by Ian Dale » Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Ian. Mate. Cobber. Set pieces are scrums and lineouts. Planned team
movements
>are called set moves. New Zealand had any number of them. Most involved
>setting up quick ruck ball.

Quick ruck ball? Well it didn't work too well with your slow loosies.

They just didn't work particularly well. New

Quote:
>Zealand succeeded at opportunistic, individualist stuff, particularly by
>Merhtens.

Well, we'll se what Carlos can do.

Quote:
>> It seems in New Zealand's arrogance they believe they can just send 15
guys
>> out into the paddock and say - "Do your stuff!"

>Tell you don't really believe this nonsence. Please.

Well, if they played with a little more purpose, maybe I wouldn't.

Quote:

>> And when they fail, they blaim individuals for not making it happen. One

man

Quote:
>> against a team of 15 (albeit Matt Burke finished off every point scoring
>> opportunity)

>We blame individuals for not doing what they are capable of doing. As
everyone
>does.

It does happen to be a team sport you know?

Quote:

>> A glaringly obvious no-tactic phase was the introduction of Jonah Lomu to
>> charge around like an angry bull, away from anyone of use into defense.
Sure
>> it took three guys to put him down, almost as many as it takes to put
>> Willi-O to the deck.

>Oh dear oh dear. I suppose I might as well plough on. Introducing Lomu and
>Maka is known as substitution. Everyone does it. Even Australia. Lomu was
>used to advance the ball over the advantage line, which he did, breaking
the
>first tackle every time and tying up defenders. Ofehenguaue is a loose
>forward. He is supposed to operate in congested taffic. That's his job.

Well, flaring his nostril must have helped Lomu as he is back in the squad,
although I don't know why.

When is Berryman gonna get his call up.. should be soon.

Ian