Aus deserving winners of Bledisloe Cup

Aus deserving winners of Bledisloe Cup

Post by b.. » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00




Quote:
> >Well done Australia, I now rate you as number one in the world, and the All
> >Blacks as number three or possibly four.

> >-- Rick Boyd

> Haha what a load of ***-how do you then explain your loss to the Almighty
> Springboks?? SA are back where they belong -at No. 1 , noone can stop us
> from defending our title in Wales. The Boks will comfortably beat both the
> All Blacks and Wallabies this month , then they will complete a record
> breaking grand slam in December on the way to picking up the Webb Ellis
> trophy in Wales next year.

I think there's a job for you in the Australian TV commentary team. You would
fit right in.

-- Rick Boyd

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Post by b.. » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00



Quote:


> > Well done Australia, I now rate you as number one in the world, and the All
> > Blacks as number three or possibly four.

> > -- Rick Boyd

> > Who won the WoRLD CUP?  Who won last week?  Gee you're not half biased!

> Ingrid

Who won the world cup from a dodgy drop goal three years ago? Who has lost
consistently since then? Who beat Australia by one point in Perth?

Tell me again who is biased.

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Post by b.. » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> So the boks beat both AB and OZ, therefor you rate them 2nd. Very logical
> indeed

> Joeboy

Anyone notice a common thread running through these posts from SA? Are they
keen to congratulate a team for its good play in a game in which they are
basically neutral. No, not at all. All they want is to squawk on about their
imagined world number one status. Me me me! Like toddlers in a sandpit.

Let me tell you, dear little Seth Efricans, my estimation of your number two
status is based on play, not a result from a one point win in the rain. South
Africa have a steady team that is well organised. Australia have a talented
team that is well organised. I don't think you'll win too many more against
them in the next two years. Sorry about that.

-- Rick Boyd

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Post by Neil Simmond » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Well said Tom. I'm sure that the only way that Bevan could have changed who
won the game would have been by penalising Aussie an extra five times (Ten
if Spencer had been playing :-)) just for the hell of it.

We lost to a better team ... one with a plan and energy and defence and ...

Neil

Quote:


>>        The invincibility of the Southern Hemisphere has been
>>shattered. The minute their serenity is disturbed they blame their
>>coach. They blame their players. They blame everybody - except
>>themselves.

>I actually thought that we did a great job of blaming ourselves.
><snip>
>...Tom

>====================

>"Better at" doesn't equal "Better than"

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Post by Paul Wait » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>               Goodness me ! Even Paul is getting a bit tetchy.

Yes, true. This weekend has indeed been a little tetch-inducing. :)

Quote:
>               The invincibility of the Southern Hemisphere has been
>shattered.

Ahem. Let me correct your misapprehension. Last year and the year
before we had one super-team down here, and two good ones. Here
we are in 1998, and both SA and Aus have raised themselves to NZ's
former standard whilst NZ have dropped away.

By my count we now have two super-teams down here right now.

Cheers,
Paul.

 
 
 

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Post by scul.. » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Australia won the Beldisloe Cup and the Lancaster Park test match against New
> Zealand with a quality team performance, 27-23.

Slash match report

Quote:
> Well done Australia, I now rate you as number one in the world, and the All
> Blacks as number three or possibly four.

> -- Rick Boyd

> PS I wonder if now is the time to investigate Australian citizenship.

> PPS Just joking.

Gee, Rick, _you_ may be joking, but I scoured the fair city of Bunbury's
numerous hotels last night for Kiwis, and the two that I managed to track down
BOTH played the "I'm an Aussie now!" card. One of them, a former timber worker
from Tokoroa, even claimed that he had rung his Dad at home to gloat over the
Wallaby victory. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

Sculler

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Post by Brett Chapma » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Haha what a load of ***-how do you then explain your loss to the Almighty
>Springboks?? SA are back where they belong -at No. 1 , noone can stop us
>from defending our title in Wales. The Boks will comfortably beat both the
>All Blacks and Wallabies this month , then they will complete a record
>breaking grand slam in December on the way to picking up the Webb Ellis
>trophy in Wales next year.

Shit , all Ive ever heard in this group is how Kiwi's are arrogant
.........well look at this ^

Cheers Brett

 
 
 

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Post by b.. » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> Eh? I saw plenty being made by the AB's myself Rick...

Well, not as many as the previous week. Few first-generation mistakes, as it
were. Very few losing lineouts, turnovers in rucks etc.

Quote:
> Now I'm convinced you've been watching a different game old son. The
> All Black forwards were basically over-powered by their opponents. That's
> one of the reasons we conceded so many turnovers, and why the ***y
> ball came back so slow from every single ruck, barring a few at the
> very end.

We obviously have different expectations from the forwards. You have
criticised the All Black forwards for their performance, but really, they are
still getting enough ball to the backs for most other teams. They are not
dominating as they once did, true, but teams shouldn't always count on their
forwards to dominate. If they get parity, the backs then have the job of
converting possession into points. The All Black forwards performed
adequately in the set pieces, and while they missed Kronfeld and generally
failed to make headway in the loose they conceded very little turnover ball
in rucks and mauls and did not suffer much by comparison with the Australian
loosies, in my view.

If our backs had performed with moderate competency we would have won this
game, but they did not. It is with them I lay the blame.

[...]

Quote:
> How about Sloane and Smith? They've been effectively coaching backline
> and forwards with Hart in a more managerial role apparently. Why not blame
> them (ignoring facile "buck stops here" reasoning). Maybe its these guys
> who've been spending time teaching the team wonderful "innovations" like
> getting Jonah to feed the ball at the scrum, take a ponderous pass from
> Randell, and then get nailed 1m short of the advantage line by 5 Wallaby
> forwards.

It all seems very strange. I don't know how the coaching panel manage their
jobs, but it seems obvious to me that you play to your strengths. Not once
did Jonah Lomu, in form and a wonderful strike player, get the ball in a
positive attacking siuation. Instead, Merhtens had obviously been instructed
to put high ball over the Australian back three! Why? Why give a safe
defensive lineup and a potent attacking lineup gift ball to run back into the
All Blacks? Did Hart think Burke and co were suddenly going to panic and kick
sideways for touch?

Wilson and Cullen made some wonderful breaks purely on their own intuition
from broken play -- imagine what they could have done with quick ball in
space to move from set moves. But they never got any. Ball or space.

Maybe Hart is just too clever for us all and is deliberately setting the team
up to lose knowing that this is the best way to motivate this
attitude-challenged team to win the world cup.

[...]

-- Rick Boyd

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Post by b.. » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Gee, Rick, _you_ may be joking, but I scoured the fair city of Bunbury's
> numerous hotels last night for Kiwis, and the two that I managed to track down
> BOTH played the "I'm an Aussie now!" card. One of them, a former timber worker
> from Tokoroa, even claimed that he had rung his Dad at home to gloat over the
> Wallaby victory. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

That's North Islanders for you :-)

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Post by Brian Thomps » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> > Australia won the Beldisloe Cup and the Lancaster Park test match
against New
> > Zealand with a quality team performance, 27-23.

> Gee, Rick, _you_ may be joking, but I scoured the fair city of Bunbury's
> numerous hotels last night for Kiwis, and the two that I managed to track down
> BOTH played the "I'm an Aussie now!" card. One of them, a former timber worker
> from Tokoroa, even claimed that he had rung his Dad at home to gloat over the
> Wallaby victory. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

> Sculler

John so you scoured the numerous hotels in Bunbury last night? dosn't
sound like the Sculler I grew up with!!!

Tomo

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Post by bettin » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
> .
>                The invincibility of the Southern Hemisphere has been
> shattered. The minute their serenity is disturbed they blame their
> coach. They blame their players. They blame everybody - except
> themselves.

Wait one moment here Nigel - "invincibility" of the SH has not been shattered.
The order has been rearranged a little maybe but the two best in form teams
presently are Australia and South Africa.  Now,  'Geography'  might not have
been on your school curriculum, so I can understand your ignorance on this
topic, so I'll say it nicely: Australia and SA are both in the SH.  Yes, nigel,
just because NZ is playing like shit does not mean the whole of the SH is crap.

Why the *** shouldn't we criticise/blame the coach, players, the assistant
coaches, etc?  THEY lost the match didn't they? What possible good would it do
to the rugby team if the supporters blamed themselves? "oh well, I lost the
match for them, if only I hadn't been here supporting"... bullocks. I don't see
what the NZ rugby public has anything to do with whether the teams' tactics
make sense or not.

Nigel, before you get the urge to pretend to be God again, why don't you remind
yourself of the Wales-SA match not so long ago.  And the fact that your union
has just signed a kiwi coach to save yourselves.

 
 
 

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Post by Ferd » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00



<<>Haha what a load of ***-how do you then explain your loss to the
Almighty

Quote:
>Springboks?? SA are back where they belong -at No. 1 , noone can stop us
>from defending our title in Wales. The Boks will comfortably beat both the
>All Blacks and Wallabies this month , then they will complete a record
>breaking grand slam in December on the way to picking up the Webb Ellis
>trophy in Wales next year.>>

And record a hit singe and get laid by beauty queens?
 
 
 

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Post by Adam P. R. Taylo » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> The All Black forwards performed
> adequately in the set pieces, and while they missed Kronfeld

Just a wee understatement, huh?
The (2nd?) try that the Ozzies got after a dozen or so plays was
unacceptable.
That so many tackles could be made, and not one turnover was shocking,
and that a better, well drilled forward pack would set up a try was no
surprise.

Well done Ozzie, you played basic, solid rugby, and played it well.

Quote:
> It all seems very strange. I don't know how the coaching panel manage their
> jobs, but it seems obvious to me that you play to your strengths. Not once
> did Jonah Lomu, in form and a wonderful strike player, get the ball in a
> positive attacking siuation. Instead, Merhtens had obviously been instructed
> to put high ball over the Australian back three! Why? Why give a safe
> defensive lineup and a potent attacking lineup gift ball to run back into the
> All Blacks? Did Hart think Burke and co were suddenly going to panic and kick
> sideways for touch?

Incomprehensible. (No Mr Boyd, not your writings, the tactics!)

Quote:
> Wilson and Cullen made some wonderful breaks purely on their own intuition
> from broken play -- imagine what they could have done with quick ball in
> space to move from set moves. But they never got any. Ball or space.

Or with some support!

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Post by Nozz » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:50:41 +1200, "Adam P. R. Taylor"

Quote:


>> The All Black forwards performed
>> adequately in the set pieces, and while they missed Kronfeld

>Just a wee understatement, huh?
>The (2nd?) try that the Ozzies got after a dozen or so plays was
>unacceptable.
>That so many tackles could be made, and not one turnover was shocking,
>and that a better, well drilled forward pack would set up a try was no
>surprise.

>Well done Ozzie, you played basic, solid rugby, and played it well.

yeh they played rugby league, and played it very well :D

Nozza

 
 
 

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Post by Johan van Zyl - JVZ Systems » Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:00:00

WoW!, what a short memory you have.
Since beating Oz in SA last year (Sixty odd points to how much
(little)) the Boks have not lost a match, this includes the beating of
NZ and OZ and we are the current World Champions. Remember we beat Oz
soundly in the opening game of the World Cup!
We went through a bad patch and are now back with a bang.
Springboks are No1!
and I would rate NZ before OZ and maybe even the French could be no 3.
Do not rate teams on one or two games.
The World Cup may be an eyeopener to you next year.
If Oz were that great then why did'nt they win the last World Cup?

Could you please justify you rating Oz no 1. Do you remember that the
Boks beat you very recently?
We beat you and NZ in away games too.
If we win both our home games, where will you rate the Boks then?
Johan van Zyl

Quote:
>Well done Australia, I now rate you as number one in the world, and the All
>Blacks as number three or possibly four.

Johan van Zyl
Somerset West
South Africa

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