Robinson at outside centre?

Robinson at outside centre?

Post by Doz » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 02:29:55


Just to spark another debate, do you think Clive W has considered Jason R at
o/c, with Greenwood still at inside, possibly J S-D on the right wing, and
then someone like Lewsey at full back... Would create a few fireworks but
what about defensively....

And what of the potential return of Ian Balshaw - does he get a look in, and
if so, where?

Also, will J S-D play on the left wing against Italy or will Luger move
there?

Thanks

Doz

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Jesso » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 04:32:09


Quote:
> Just to spark another debate, do you think Clive W has considered Jason R
at
> o/c, with Greenwood still at inside, possibly J S-D on the right wing, and
> then someone like Lewsey at full back... Would create a few fireworks but
> what about defensively....

> And what of the potential return of Ian Balshaw - does he get a look in,
and
> if so, where?

> Also, will J S-D play on the left wing against Italy or will Luger move
> there?

Nice imaginative stuff, but as you will see, Ollie Smith and Austin Healey
will have something to say about that.

World Cup starting backs:

9    Dawson
10 The Kid
11 Donkey
12 Greenwood
13 Smith
14 Healey
15 Perry

This has real quality and balance about it. A good blend of youth and
experience.

Replacement backs:
JSD
Tindall
Balsh or Harvey

No Luger anywhere in the 22, maybe in the squad. No place for Lewsey either
in the 22.

TJ

 
 
 

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Post by Bryan Ra » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 07:28:48

Quote:
> Also, will J S-D play on the left wing

Luger has moved to left wing and JSD is on the right.

cheers,
Bryan Ray

 
 
 

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Post by Bryan Ra » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 07:31:33

Quote:
> 13 Smith

Possibly, equal chances for Tindall, Robinson, and JSD.

Quote:
> 14 Healey

No way. Not a chance. Luger, Robinson, Balshaw, Garvey, Christophers, JSD
well ahead at this point.

Quote:
> 15 Perry

Healey has a better chance of playing 15 than 14 in my opinion, but Perry is
completely out of the picture. A very sound player, but England need a game
breaker here. Balshaw or Robinson most likely. Lewsey a longshot and Stimmo,
unfortunately, a very long shot.

cheers,
Bryan Ray

 
 
 

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Post by Bulld » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:26:31

Quote:
> 9    Dawson - DOING WELL SO FAR
> 10 The Kid - STILL GOING ALONG NICELY...
> 11 Donkey - ASSUME THIS IS COHEN..SO FAR SO GOOD...
> 12 Greenwood - YEP !
> 13 Smith - UNKNOWN QUANTITY ON THE LARGE STAGE.
> 14 Healey - LOST THE PLOT !
> 15 Perry - NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER..MIGHT MAKE THE RWC SQUAD AND UNDOUBTEDLY A SAFE PAIR OF HANDS (LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY) BUT DOES NOT FIT WOODWARDS BLUEPRINT AT ALL.

TINDALL HAS A CHANCE TO SHOW US THAT HE'S MORE THAN AN UGLY
DONKEY..I'M KEEN TO SEE HIM AGAIN AND IN PARTICULAR LOOK AT HIS
DISTRIBUTION TO THE WHIZZ KIDS.
 
 
 

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Post by Angu » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:46:35

Quote:
> Nice imaginative stuff, but as you will see, Ollie Smith and Austin Healey
> will have something to say about that.

> World Cup starting backs:

> 9    Dawson
> 10 The Kid
> 11 Donkey
> 12 Greenwood
> 13 Smith
> 14 Healey
> 15 Perry

> This has real quality and balance about it. A good blend of youth and
> experience.

> Replacement backs:
> JSD
> Tindall
> Balsh or Harvey

> No Luger anywhere in the 22, maybe in the squad. No place for Lewsey either
> in the 22.

> TJ

Smith and Gearvy is not ready yet. Healey hasn't played well for ages,
Perry never played well.

9 Dwason
10 the MAN
12 Greenwood
13 Tindel (his autmn form shows comfortabely in the world class)
14 Cohen, best winger in the world
11 Robinson

though the idea of Robinson outside greenwood is something that
deserves a try more than any other possible permuataion.

 
 
 

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Post by g » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:12:26

Quote:

> Healey hasn't played well for ages,

Too busy thinking about his re-forestation methinks.
 
 
 

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Post by tim » Sat, 08 Mar 2003 08:33:47

Quote:
> 13 Tindel (his autmn form shows comfortabely in the world class)

You have to be taking *** mate! This clown will NEVER be world class,
lol...

tim

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Jesso » Sun, 09 Mar 2003 05:58:50

Quote:
> > 15 Perry - NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER..MIGHT MAKE THE RWC SQUAD AND

UNDOUBTEDLY A SAFE PAIR OF HANDS (LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY) BUT DOES NOT
FIT WOODWARDS BLUEPRINT AT ALL.

He may not fit Woody's world but he is an extremely high class footballer.
He played 15 for the Lions because he is class through and through.

Quote:

> TINDALL HAS A CHANCE TO SHOW US THAT HE'S MORE THAN AN UGLY
> DONKEY..I'M KEEN TO SEE HIM AGAIN AND IN PARTICULAR LOOK AT HIS
> DISTRIBUTION TO THE WHIZZ KIDS.

He is a bettering ram in form. If he holds his form, he will be Carling
mkII. Ugly but effective. I've seen him live twice this season - have you?

TJ

 
 
 

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Post by tim » Sun, 09 Mar 2003 08:29:21

Quote:
> He is a bettering ram in form. If he holds his form, he will be Carling
> mkII. Ugly but effective. I've seen him live twice this season - have you?

But that is ALL he is, just a battering ram. Absolutely no skill whatsoever.
Carling was skillful AND strong, and Tindall isn't in the same class (or
ever will be).

I saw him playing against Glos the other week, and he looked just the same
as ever to me.

I also saw your mate Smith last week when Glos beat you  :-)
Now I was hoping to see something positive from him, as England desperately
needs some decent contres, but he looked totally anonymous to me. Hope he
comes on on sunday though (although only Italy of course) so we can get a
look, but am not holding my breath for anything special.

tim

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Jesso » Sun, 09 Mar 2003 17:39:31

Quote:

> I also saw your mate Smith last week when Glos beat you  :-)
> Now I was hoping to see something positive from him, as England
desperately
> needs some decent contres, but he looked totally anonymous to me. Hope he
> comes on on sunday though (although only Italy of course) so we can get a
> look, but am not holding my breath for anything special.

No, you're right. He's useless. All class players make a huge impact every
week. QED.

Did you see the Tigers v Bristol game?

TJ

 
 
 

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Post by John William » Sun, 09 Mar 2003 18:56:41

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:39:31 -0000, "Tim Jesson"

Quote:

>> I also saw your mate Smith last week when Glos beat you  :-)
>> Now I was hoping to see something positive from him, as England
>desperately
>> needs some decent contres, but he looked totally anonymous to me. Hope he
>> comes on on sunday though (although only Italy of course) so we can get a
>> look, but am not holding my breath for anything special.

>No, you're right. He's useless. All class players make a huge impact every
>week. QED.

>Did you see the Tigers v Bristol game?

Yep. No ball = no impact, and the Gloucester game highlighted the
massive slip back in Leicester's backs this season.

There was talk of Kafer staying out of the starting line-up and Smith
IC / Lloyd OC a while ago. That could be fun, but Lloyd hasn't come
close to the levels of two seasons ago yet this year. England have to
work too hard at getting instinctive backline flow.

The more I think about it, the more that is because of a lack of top
ICs, not OCs, which is the obvious weakness when international squads
are drawn up. the Charlie experiment just confirmed to me that IC is a
specialist position, and expecting a "skillful footballer" to
automatically produce the goods there is Woody optimism.

--

Regards,
John Williams

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Jesso » Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:56:24

Quote:
> The more I think about it, the more that is because of a lack of top
> ICs, not OCs, which is the obvious weakness when international squads
> are drawn up. the Charlie experiment just confirmed to me that IC is a
> specialist position, and expecting a "skillful footballer" to
> automatically produce the goods there is Woody optimism.

As you know, I've been saying for a long time... Hodgson (no E) at 10 and
The Kid at 12. We haven't seen that yet and it is a good bet it will be seen
at some point.

I think it's hilarious that Healey, a veteran Lions player and senior squad
player of a gerzillion caps has been written off by the phobes. It shows the
lack of dispassionate judgement in this group and it's why I like it so much
;-)

TJ

 
 
 

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Post by Ben » Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:11:49

I think it's hilarious that Healey, a veteran Lions player and senior squad
Quote:
> player of a gerzillion caps has been written off by the phobes. It shows
the
> lack of dispassionate judgement in this group and it's why I like it so

much

I don't understand why Healey doesn't concentrate on 9. Choosing between him
and Dawson would come down to form. Gomersall and Bracken don't cut the
mustard in the tough games.

--
 Ben Longman

 
 
 

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Post by tim » Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:29:44

Quote:
> No, you're right. He's useless. All class players make a huge impact every
> week. QED.

I've watched him in other games, and fail to see what you regularly preach
about. But then I fail to see what you see in most of your Leicester players
:-)  By the way, making an 'impact every week' at club level means NOWT as
far as the step-up is concerned.

tim