Racism in South African Rugby

Racism in South African Rugby

Post by blak » Thu, 31 Jul 1997 04:00:00


The NSC(National Sports Council), the governing body of SA sport to which
the South African Rugby Union is affiliated to, has recently announced that
all representative teams at all levels should comprise of at least 40%
from members of 'previously disadvantged communities' -read black, coloured
and indian- by 2000. This would mean that the Springboks, with not one
non-white player currently playing, would have to include at least 5 to 6
non-white players within 2 years.
At best there are presently only about 2 non-white players who have a slim
chance of elected as a Springbok  based on merit alone.
Is this racism or developement?
Is this Apartheid all over again?
Is this the end of South African rugby?

 
 
 

Racism in South African Rugby

Post by F.F. Jacot Guillarm » Thu, 31 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>The NSC(National Sports Council), the governing body of SA sport to which
>the South African Rugby Union is affiliated to, has recently announced that
>all representative teams at all levels should comprise of at least 40%
>from members of 'previously disadvantged communities' -read black, coloured
>and indian- by 2000. This would mean that the Springboks, with not one
>non-white player currently playing, would have to include at least 5 to 6
>non-white players within 2 years.
>At best there are presently only about 2 non-white players who have a slim
>chance of elected as a Springbok  based on merit alone.
>Is this racism or developement?
>Is this Apartheid all over again?
>Is this the end of South African rugby?

=========================================================================
           SPORT-QUOTA-RUGBY
           CAPE TOWN July 28 Sapa
           WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND NSC ON QUOTAS, SAYS RUGBY
           Rugby has used a quota system for some time in all its
provincial and national teams except for the senior provincial
teams and the Springbok side, said Rian Oberholzer, chief executive
officer of the SA Rugby Football Union.
           Commenting on the National Sports Council's quota proposals for
sport, Oberholzer said Monday the system had been responsible for
unearthing some very talented young players such as Jeffrey Stevens
of Boland, Gcobani Bobo of Western Province and Sean Plaatjies of
Western Province.
           All three, he noted, had gone on to make their mark in further
representative teams where they were selected completely on merit.
           Oberholzer said Sarfu was completely supportive of the NSC's
role as the national director of sporting bodies.
           "Taking into consideration the NSC's important role in
developing the new South Africa and the success of the quota
systems already existing in rugby, Sarfu is completely open to
considering any suggestion by the NSC to introduce further quotas
into South African sport."
           Sapa
           /wcm/
=========================================================================

 
 
 

Racism in South African Rugby

Post by Andre Marit » Sat, 02 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> The NSC(National Sports Council), the governing body of SA sport to
> which
> the South African Rugby Union is affiliated to, has recently announced
> that
> all representative teams at all levels should comprise of at least 40%

> from members of 'previously disadvantged communities' -read black,
> coloured
> and indian- by 2000. This would mean that the Springboks, with not one

> non-white player currently playing, would have to include at least 5
> to 6
> non-white players within 2 years.
> At best there are presently only about 2 non-white players who have a
> slim
> chance of elected as a Springbok  based on merit alone.
> Is this racism or developement?
> Is this Apartheid all over again?
> Is this the end of South African rugby?

Yes, it is racism, it is Apartheid, it is the end of rugby as we know
it.  Interesting the NSC spokesman, when asked if the national soccer
team (Bafana Bafana) will be forced to include 4 - 5 white players by
2000, his answer was no!

Thank God for someone like Louis Luyt as I believe he will just take
rugby to an even higher level of professionalism, tell the NSC to go to
hell as he is running a private company with no support or subsidy from
the government and get on with the game.

Andre

 
 
 

Racism in South African Rugby

Post by Koo » Sun, 03 Aug 1997 04:00:00

On Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:18:39 +0200, Andre Maritz

<<>Yes, it is racism, it is Apartheid, it is the end of rugby as we
know

Quote:
>it.  Interesting the NSC spokesman, when asked if the national soccer
>team (Bafana Bafana) will be forced to include 4 - 5 white players by
>2000, his answer was no!

>Thank God for someone like Louis Luyt as I believe he will just take
>rugby to an even higher level of professionalism, tell the NSC to go to
>hell as he is running a private company with no support or subsidy from
>the government and get on with the game.>>>

First. On closer reading it is clear that what the NSC did was post an
ideal they think should be aimed at. They are not prescribing
selection of teams. At least they are not attempting it ...yet.

To force it down - what they DON'T seem to intend doing - they would
need something in the line of legislation.
At least legislation giving one controlling body over all sports the
final say in all teams representing SA.
And that would be a very interesting fight in parliament - and one
they are set to lose, I would think.

Then also: The Olympic bosses in SA allready told them to go***
themselves.

So I don't think there are reason for real fears.

But the idea is very funny actually, although it grows from a sound
one - that equal opportunities should be worked for in a country where
there WAS (and still is) vast unequality in developing talent etc.

But what they suggested was very funny in an way: They said teams
should have players coming from all race groups and there should be
representation for women, handicapped people and people living in far
off country areas.

They also said a SA women's rugby team should get equal recognition to
a men's team.
Nice thought, but hell, it won't happen. It is the real world out
there.
Women do most things as well as men and a lot of thing better, but in
rugby they will not be as good.
They will not draw the crowds. At least not the same sort.

(Bok manager: "Let's see, we have some white males, we have some black
males, and we have an Indian and a "coloured". What do we still need.
Ah! a handicapped player (mentally of physically? Mentally, we will
just point to the props. Physically, well,... uh.... there actually
ARE a few, come to think of it.) But God! Where to pick the woman?!
And must she be a ***? I think I better phone the NSC and make
sure..."

While now we have a Bok manager who says: "Well, Percy and Joost is in
the team. You guys pick the rest and tell them whatever happens, we
must stay positive. I am off to go and comb my hair...")

 
 
 

Racism in South African Rugby

Post by Koo » Mon, 04 Aug 1997 04:00:00

On Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:18:39 +0200, Andre Maritz

<<>Yes, it is racism, it is Apartheid, it is the end of rugby as we
know

Quote:
>it.  Interesting the NSC spokesman, when asked if the national soccer
>team (Bafana Bafana) will be forced to include 4 - 5 white players by
>2000, his answer was no!

>Thank God for someone like Louis Luyt as I believe he will just take
>rugby to an even higher level of professionalism, tell the NSC to go to
>hell as he is running a private company with no support or subsidy from
>the government and get on with the game.>>>

First. On closer reading it is clear that what the NSC did was post an
ideal they think should be aimed at. They are not prescribing
selection of teams. At least they are not attempting it ...yet.

To force it down - what they DON'T seem to intend doing - they would
need something in the line of legislation.
At least legislation giving one controlling body over all sports the
final say in all teams representing SA.
And that would be a very interesting fight in parliament - and one
they are set to lose, I would think.

Then also: The Olympic bosses in SA allready told them to go***
themselves.

So I don't think there are reason for real fears.

But the idea is very funny actually, although it grows from a sound
one - that equal opportunities should be worked for in a country where
there WAS (and still is) vast unequality in developing talent etc.

But what they suggested was very funny in an way: They said teams
should have players coming from all race groups and there should be
representation for women, handicapped people and people living in far
off country areas.

They also said a SA women's rugby team should get equal recognition to
a men's team.
Nice thought, but hell, it won't happen. It is the real world out
there.
Women do most things as well as men and a lot of thing better, but in
rugby they will not be as good.
They will not draw the crowds. At least not the same sort.

(Bok manager: "Let's see, we have some white males, we have some black
males, and we have an Indian and a "coloured". What do we still need.
Ah! a handicapped player (mentally of physically? Mentally, we will
just point to the props. Physically, well,... uh.... there actually
ARE a few, come to think of it.) But God! Where to pick the woman?!
And must she be a ***? I think I better phone the NSC and make
sure..."

While now we have a Bok manager who says: "Well, Percy and Joost is in
the team. You guys pick the rest and tell them whatever happens, we
must stay positive. I am off to go and comb my hair...")

 
 
 

Racism in South African Rugby

Post by Bill Tayl » Wed, 06 Aug 1997 04:00:00


|> Then also: The Olympic bosses in SA allready told them to go***
|> themselves.

But what is this, Ferds?  Sound interesting.  Could you please give us all
an account of this situation?

Ever your true friend,

Billy-Willy.

 
 
 

Racism in South African Rugby

Post by p_stephen.. » Fri, 08 Aug 1997 04:00:00

My response.
The notion of affirmative action is not a new one and has been applied
to different government and university policies. To think that sport
operates in a vaccuum is ignoring the fact that sport reflects society
(as schools and universities do).
I think one of the main barriers to participation of minority groups in
national sports such as rugby in S.A. is the absence of role models. For
a person to be able to perform at an international level, they need
years of training and refinement. Motor skills that are needed for rugby
need to be developed early in a childs life and refinement can occur as
they reach a higher level. What encourages children to participate in a
sport? Role models. Lets take basketball for an example. I believe that
many black children in america love basketball because they have strong,
positive role models such as Jordan, Kemp, Olajujan and O'Neil. Their
are no such role models in S.A. rugby (save Chester Williams). I think
that once diversity is introduced, more youth will want to play rugby
which will strengthen the player base for S.A. in the future.

Patrick Stephensen
Northern Territoy University
http://www.ntu.edu.au

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