So, Lions next - which English players would you pick?

So, Lions next - which English players would you pick?

Post by Mentalguy2k » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:57:20


Based on my layman's view, I'd like to see these in with a shout if the
Welsh leave any gaps in the squad:

Geoff Parling
Tom Wood
Robshaw
Tuilagi
Dan Cole
Vunipolu
Ben Morgan

Maybes: Farrell, Hartley, Croft, Care, Ben Youngs

I wouldn't bother with: Lawes, Ashton, Goode, Barritt, Haskell, Marler.

What do the people who know about rugby think?

 
 
 

So, Lions next - which English players would you pick?

Post by Uncle Dav » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:04:38


Quote:
> Based on my layman's view, I'd like to see these in with a shout if the
> Welsh leave any gaps in the squad:

> Geoff Parling
> Tom Wood
> Robshaw
> Tuilagi
> Dan Cole
> Vunipolu
> Ben Morgan

> Maybes: Farrell, Hartley, Croft, Care, Ben Youngs

> I wouldn't bother with: Lawes, Ashton, Goode, Barritt, Haskell, Marler.

> What do the people who know about rugby think?

Why are you asking us?  Go and ask them yourself :-)

I thought Goode was one of the handful of England players who did his
job against Wales which was about as good as it got.  The only English
centre likely to get a look in is Twelvetrees, Tuilagi was MIA at the
weekend and is unlikely to scare Aussie defences as much as a nippy
O'Driscoll type would.

UD

 
 
 

So, Lions next - which English players would you pick?

Post by BrritSk » Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:06:53


Quote:
> Based on my layman's view, I'd like to see these in with a shout if the
> Welsh leave any gaps in the squad:

> Geoff Parling
> Tom Wood
> Robshaw
> Tuilagi
> Dan Cole
> Vunipolu
> Ben Morgan

> Maybes: Farrell, Hartley, Croft, Care, Ben Youngs

> I wouldn't bother with: Lawes, Ashton, Goode, Barritt, Haskell, Marler.

> What do the people who know about rugby think?

I wouldn't claim to be one of that lot - esp. after my comments before
Saturday's match :)  but I wouldn't disagree wuth most of that, I would
only add Launchbury to the list.

I think it might be good though for most of the England team to get a
rest as I suspect they will. Could be the last chance they'll get before
RWC 2015...

 
 
 

So, Lions next - which English players would you pick?

Post by Ben » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:10:08

Quote:

> Based on my layman's view, I'd like to see these in with a shout if the

> Welsh leave any gaps in the squad:

On that. At the risk of sounding bitter, Wales have had one standout game. There is no more reason to fill the side with Welshmen than there was to fill it with Englishmen after they beat New Zealand.

Quote:
> Geoff Parling

> Tom Wood

> Robshaw

> Tuilagi

> Dan Cole

> Vunipolu

> Ben Morgan

> Maybes: Farrell, Hartley, Croft, Care, Ben Youngs

> I wouldn't bother with: Lawes, Ashton, Goode, Barritt, Haskell, Marler.

> What do the people who know about rugby think?

The only England players I'd definitely take would be Robshaw, Wood, Cole, Tuilagi, Farrell and Brown.

The first three because they are in form and challenge strongly for starting places, even if there are others who have equal claims. Wood's claim to the jersey has not been helped by not being played in position for England.

Tuilagi and Farrell because they bring unique skills. They will definitely travel. There is a good case for them not starting, however.

Brown because he's played out of position for England, done little wrong all season and has been on fire for club all season. He is the second best 15 in the 6N at present IMHO. He's a spiky love-him-or-hate-him character though and I'd not be surprised to see Gatland decide to go for Kearney as the safer option.

I think England will contribute 8-10 players though. I'd take *Billy* Vunipola as a bolter (although I suspect i'm in a minority on that front) and Tom Croft because he has pedigree and is a genuine game changer. At least one of Care or Youngs will travel. One of Hartley or T Youngs will travel. I suspect Barritt may yet travel as a dedicated dirt tracker for his robustness and defence.

The rest? Perhaps the best cases are Mako Vunipola and Billy Twelvetrees, but there's little international form to judge them on and Lions selections can be cruel. Parling could travel as a dirt tracker and cover for a line out strategist. Morgan only if fit, and even then has to get ahead of Heaslip and Kelly Brown. Launchbury or Lawes have lost some of their physical edge and would be lucky to travel. I don't think Goode is good enough for the Lions given that I've been unhappy with his impact for England. There is no way Ashton will go. Haskell is mocked as a joker, but he has worked closely with Gatland and Edwards and I suspect they think more highly of him. But he's realistically not going to get in ahead of O'Brien, the Welsh back row, or Robshaw and Wood.

 
 
 

So, Lions next - which English players would you pick?

Post by kev or lo » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:47:07


Quote:

>> Based on my layman's view, I'd like to see these in with a shout if the

>> Welsh leave any gaps in the squad:

> On that. At the risk of sounding bitter, Wales have had one standout game. There is no more reason to fill the side with Welshmen than there was to fill it with Englishmen after they beat New Zealand.

Well I don't know about that. Whichever way you look at it there was an
element of a lions trial game about it. I was obviously ecstatic with
the win - still hungover 2 days later! but from a Lions perspective I
really wish England had been alot closer.

Quote:
>> Geoff Parling

>> Tom Wood

>> Robshaw

>> Tuilagi

>> Dan Cole

>> Vunipolu

>> Ben Morgan

>> Maybes: Farrell, Hartley, Croft, Care, Ben Youngs

>> I wouldn't bother with: Lawes, Ashton, Goode, Barritt, Haskell, Marler.

>> What do the people who know about rugby think?

> The only England players I'd definitely take would be Robshaw, Wood, Cole, Tuilagi, Farrell and Brown.

> The first three because they are in form and challenge strongly for starting places, even if there are others who have equal claims. Wood's claim to the jersey has not been helped by not being played in position for England.

> Tuilagi and Farrell because they bring unique skills. They will definitely travel. There is a good case for them not starting, however.

> Brown because he's played out of position for England, done little wrong all season and has been on fire for club all season. He is the second best 15 in the 6N at present IMHO. He's a spiky love-him-or-hate-him character though and I'd not be surprised to see Gatland decide to go for Kearney as the safer option.

> I think England will contribute 8-10 players though. I'd take *Billy* Vunipola as a bolter (although I suspect i'm in a minority on that front) and Tom Croft because he has pedigree and is a genuine game changer. At least one of Care or Youngs will travel. One of Hartley or T Youngs will travel. I suspect Barritt may yet travel as a dedicated dirt tracker for his robustness and defence.

> The rest? Perhaps the best cases are Mako Vunipola and Billy Twelvetrees, but there's little international form to judge them on and Lions selections can be cruel. Parling could travel as a dirt tracker and cover for a line out strategist. Morgan only if fit, and even then has to get ahead of Heaslip and Kelly Brown. Launchbury or Lawes have lost some of their physical edge and would be lucky to travel. I don't think Goode is good enough for the Lions given that I've been unhappy with his impact for England. There is no way Ashton will go. Haskell is mocked as a joker, but he has worked closely with Gatland and Edwards and I suspect they think more highly of him. But he's realistically not going to get in ahead of O'Brien, the Welsh back row, or Robshaw and Wood.

Brown I think has been excellent, he's deceptively elusive. I really
hope Tuilagi and Barritt don't go - they offer so little other than
crash bang. Matt Scott/luke marshall would be preferable.

Still a while to go mind, domestic season and especially Heineken cup
will shed more light on it all and what with the Welsh regions being out
of that the game against England was important.

 
 
 

So, Lions next - which English players would you pick?

Post by John William » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:50:42

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:57:20 -0000, "Mentalguy2k8"

Quote:

>Based on my layman's view, I'd like to see these in with a shout if the
>Welsh leave any gaps in the squad:

>Geoff Parling
>Tom Wood
>Robshaw
>Tuilagi
>Dan Cole
>Vunipolu
>Ben Morgan

>Maybes: Farrell, Hartley, Croft, Care, Ben Youngs

>I wouldn't bother with: Lawes, Ashton, Goode, Barritt, Haskell, Marler.

It depends entirely on what sort of gameplan Gatland is intending to
play I think -- the somewhat stodgy Wales or England approach or the
more enterprising (at times at least) approach of Ireland. Hard
grounds in Aus are presumably more likely, but thrashing down with
rain, like some of the fixtures last season, seems a possibility.

I suspect he'll have players available on tour for both approaches,
and will tend to the former. A lot depends on who will be fit come
June, and if any players move up in form as the pitches here (I
sincerely hope) get drier and faster.

--

All the best
John Williams