England Hooker!!

England Hooker!!

Post by Andre » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

www.electronictelegraph.co.uk

He only had one bad game - against Aussie - and then he gets dropped and
treated like a second team player!! Can't understand it myself!! Come the
World Cup I would rather have***erill in there than greening, he'll be up
for it thats what he's like!!

Would be interested to hear the views of you lot - especially the Southern
Hemisphere people!!

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by The Jacka » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
> Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

> www.electronictelegraph.co.uk

> He only had one bad game - against Aussie - and then he gets dropped and
> treated like a second team player!! Can't understand it myself!! Come the
> World Cup I would rather have***erill in there than greening, he'll be
up
> for it thats what he's like!!

> Would be interested to hear the views of you lot - especially the Southern
> Hemisphere people!!

       ***erill is a quality player - he's the one stood toe to toe with
the All Blacks during the Haka, wasn't he? You need aggressive player like
him.

 
 
 

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Post by dave johnso » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Agree***erill's a quality player but his throwing has been terrible of
late. He seems to have completely lost his confidence. Maybe he just needs
to work at it a bit more during training. Unless he can sort it out I'd pick
Greening, not that he's been that much better at it. The lineouts must be a
big worry to Woodward and if not they should be

cheers

Dave Johnson


Quote:



> > Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
> > Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

> > www.electronictelegraph.co.uk

> > He only had one bad game - against Aussie - and then he gets dropped and
> > treated like a second team player!! Can't understand it myself!! Come
the
> > World Cup I would rather have***erill in there than greening, he'll be
> up
> > for it thats what he's like!!

> > Would be interested to hear the views of you lot - especially the
Southern
> > Hemisphere people!!

>        ***erill is a quality player - he's the one stood toe to toe with
> the All Blacks during the Haka, wasn't he? You need aggressive player like
> him.


 
 
 

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Post by John Willia » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:57:58 +0100, "Andrew"

Quote:

>Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
>Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

I'm never concerned about anything Barnes says, Andrew. He sells copy
and likes stirring with a big stick. Also he favours Greening, and
isn't entirely objective with things concerning Leicester and their
players.

Quote:
>He only had one bad game - against Aussie - and then he gets dropped and
>treated like a second team player!! Can't understand it myself!! Come the
>World Cup I would rather have***erill in there than greening, he'll be up
>for it thats what he's like!!

I'm not sure that anyone understands what Woodward is doing with the
tight five. If they do, please let us into the secret.

Greening is very mobile but I've never seen him have a top game as a
*** rather than as an auxiliary centre. Good ball handling skills,
but I've a feeling***erill would be more useful in a competitive
forward game. I wonder how much is just mind-games. Woody would
presumably like opposition sides to be unsure of what England are
going to do. He's certainly succeeded with this fan, anyway.

All the best

John Williams.

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen Murph » Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I'm not a***erill fan by a long way but - and I must admit to not being
100% certain of this- on Sky the other night Clive Woodward (although it may
have been Dewi Morris )seemed to suggest that it could be in Englands
interests to play***erill for 70% of the big test matches doing all the
tight work and then in the last stages - as the play becomes more'loose'
getting Greening off the bench

Could work - this supposes of course that Englands tight forwards can
dominate to some degree - and if there is a wekness in any of the SH sides
it appears to be the tight fives .

Steve Murphy

Quote:
> Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
> Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

> www.electronictelegraph.co.uk

> He only had one bad game - against Aussie - and then he gets dropped and
> treated like a second team player!! Can't understand it myself!! Come the
> World Cup I would rather have***erill in there than greening, he'll be
up
> for it thats what he's like!!

> Would be interested to hear the views of you lot - especially the Southern
> Hemisphere people!!

> Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Lenn » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Garin Jenkins was dipensed with in much the same way.....well now he's back
and he's sorted his temper out to - makes him the (Scrummaging) best ***
in NH
Quote:

>Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
>Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

>www.electronictelegraph.co.uk

>He only had one bad game - against Aussie - and then he gets dropped and
>treated like a second team player!! Can't understand it myself!! Come the
>World Cup I would rather have***erill in there than greening, he'll be up
>for it thats what he's like!!

>Would be interested to hear the views of you lot - especially the Southern
>Hemisphere people!!

>Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Matt Neilso » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I'd be surprised if***erill isn't there for the big games. He's got a bit
of mongrel in him and seems to fire up the rest of the pack, who can
sometimes appear a little listless. He's got BMT! Mind you, I haven't seen
the other bloke play so what do I know?!!

Cheers, Matt

Quote:
> Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
> Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

> www.electronictelegraph.co.uk

> He only had one bad game - against Aussie - and then he gets dropped and
> treated like a second team player!! Can't understand it myself!! Come the
> World Cup I would rather have***erill in there than greening, he'll be
up
> for it thats what he's like!!

> Would be interested to hear the views of you lot - especially the Southern
> Hemisphere people!!

> Andrew

 
 
 

England Hooker!!

Post by Steve Bloome » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:57:58 +0100, "Andrew"

>>Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
>>Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!

>I'm never concerned about anything Barnes says, Andrew. He sells copy
>and likes stirring with a big stick. Also he favours Greening, and
>isn't entirely objective with things concerning Leicester and their
>players.

 Well I'm not a Barnes fan..but***erell has lost a lot of form.The man
has clocked up a lot of games in the last couple of seasons and just at
the wrong time his throwing arm has deserted him.I think thats put him
off his game ..cos he looks serious round the park instead of the
showboating wind-up merchant.
  I'm not convinced of Greenings scrummaging or mauling skills..but he's
throwing well (for the moment) so I'd be tempted to go with him.

Quote:
>I'm not sure that anyone understands what Woodward is doing with the
>tight five. If they do, please let us into the secret.

 Now John you calmed me when I last posted that Englands preparations
were in disarray..and now you say this !

  I guess this is Woodwards philosphy of having a squad of great
instinctive footballers that can be mixed and matched at will.Most of it
looks like arseing about to me..time will tell.

 Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Mees Roelo » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>        Cockerill is a quality player - he's the one stood toe to toe with
>the All Blacks during the Haka, wasn't he? You need aggressive player like
>him.

Cockerill has been associated with that Haka incident way too much. He
for himself has said that it shouldn't have happened but that nothing
can change it anymore. It had nothing to do with disrespect or
willingness to make a provocation or whatever.

For the rest, he's a quality player. I have no idea who should be
*** for England apart from him. He's miles ahead of anybody else.

Mees Roelofs
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Post by John Willia » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:23:07 +0100, Steve Bloomer

Quote:



>>>Was a bit concerned with Stuart Barnes slating of***erill in todays
>>>Telegraph!! He basically said that he was slow and tired!!
>>I'm never concerned about anything Barnes says, Andrew. He sells copy
>>and likes stirring with a big stick. Also he favours Greening, and
>>isn't entirely objective with things concerning Leicester and their
>>players.
> Well I'm not a Barnes fan..but***erell has lost a lot of form.The man
>has clocked up a lot of games in the last couple of seasons and just at
>the wrong time his throwing arm has deserted him.I think thats put him
>off his game ..cos he looks serious round the park instead of the
>showboating wind-up merchant.

I think he got married recently, which could explain the body language
:-).

Quote:
>  I'm not convinced of Greenings scrummaging or mauling skills..but he's
>throwing well (for the moment) so I'd be tempted to go with him.

It's hard to say what the form of any of the front row is at the
moment. I agree***erill isn't throwing in as well as he usually
does, but it is only one job of a *** as you say. Still, it is all
in the hands of Woodward now. I expect both will get on the park. Or
maybe McCarthy of course? :-). Actually, I think McCarthy is an
excellent player for Woodward's presumed gameplan - more mobile than
***erill and a better work rate in the tight than Greening.

Quote:
>>I'm not sure that anyone understands what Woodward is doing with the
>>tight five. If they do, please let us into the secret.
> Now John you calmed me when I last posted that Englands preparations
>were in disarray..and now you say this !
>  I guess this is Woodwards philosphy of having a squad of great
>instinctive footballers that can be mixed and matched at will.Most of it
>looks like arseing about to me..time will tell.

Dick Best was quoted in an article in The Times today, applauding
Woodward. Best is very keen on mind games too of course:

"Clive knows what he's doing and he has played an extremely clever
psychological game," Best said. "He's got all the players in the palm
of his hand because any one of them could be in the team, and they
rely on him for that opportunity. He's built a hugely competitive
squad in which the players are all working as hard as possible as they
vie for position. Clive has been extremely clever - he has played a
long-term game."

<Sniff>

As you say, time will tell.

Make what you will of the side to play on Saturday:

M Perry (Bath); D Luger (Saracens), W Greenwood (Leicester), P de
Glanville (Bath), A Healey (Leicester); J Wilkinson (Newcastle), M
Dawson (Northampton); J Leonard (Harlequins), R***erill (Leicester),
P Vickery (Gloucester), M Johnson (Leicester, capt), D Grewcock
(Saracens), R Hill (Saracens), N Back (Leicester), L Dallaglio
(Wasps).

Replacements: D Rees (Bristol), M Catt (Bath), P Grayson
(Northampton), M Corry (Leicester), V Ubogu (Bath), D Garforth
(Leicester), P Greening (Sale).

All the best

John Williams.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Bloome » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00



..snip..

  [Best's glowing endorcement of CW's selections]
 Ah mind games..never been that impressed with them myself.

Quote:
>As you say, time will tell.

>Make what you will of the side to play on Saturday:

  [selection]

 Hmm..Greenwood at OC..more of the same.Ah well at least that will be
the last preparatory game.And I can stop frothing at the mouth at the
selections and gameplans :)
  To his credit CW hasn't played safe..if England bomb I think he might
find his decision making under scrutiny..if they do well he'll obviously
be a world class coach.

--  Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Rugbybo » Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>I'm never concerned about anything Barnes says,

Does anyone ???
Stuart Barnes reminds me of the bloke on the Fast Show who changes his opinion
every time someone puts a different arument forward. Just like Barnesy at the
end of the day he doesn't know where he is or what his name is.
Having said that he is right about Greening but as we all all know he will be
singing the praises of that devil incarnate***eril before the months out !

Chris
The Totally Unofficial Northampton Saints Website
www.geocities.com/cumonyousaints