Leicester / Llanelli result & comments

Leicester / Llanelli result & comments

Post by Terry Ch » Sun, 03 Nov 1996 04:00:00


LEICESTER 25    LLANELLI 16

.... apologies for missing the first half, but I got back a bit late.

Things were beginning to look ominous for the Tigers midway through
the second half, as Llanelli's backs had started to cut loose
culminating in a well worked try for Neil ***ier to take them into a
16-15 lead.

A flash of individual genius by Austin Healey reclaimed the lead;
receiving the ball on his own 10 yard line, he doubled back upon
himself and raced down the left hand touchline past numerous desparate
Welsh forwards for a superb try.

Form that moment on, Leicester's pack took control and they were never
in danger of losing; Leicester elected to kick a close range penalty
into touch, Martin Johnson took clean ball, and the Leicester pack
bulldozed their way over for Greenwood to claim the try.

Impressions on the match overall: Leicester's pack were superb,
particularly the front row, they were never going to do anything other
than play a nine man game.

Llanelli hampered by having to field two front-line jumpers and having
Julian Williams declared unfit before the kick off could not win
enough clean posession to make use of their definite advantage in
class behind.

Both sides could have scored more, with Liley having an off-day with
the boot and handling errors in the back row when in strong positions
proving costly for the Scarlets.

Llanelli still qualify for the quarter finals where they will travel
to either Harlequins or Brive because Europe's dirtiest side Pau
thankfully lost at Leinster due to an injury time penalty. With any
luck this means that players will not have to wear safety goggles for
the rest of the tournament.

The score therefore stands at England 2 Wales 2 for cross-border
matches, although the English sides have played 3 of the 4 at home and
I'm not sure whether you can class Harlequins as English these days.

I think the European matches have demonstrated that there is little,
if any, difference between the top English and Welsh sides, although
once you go outside the top five Welsh sides then there is no
competition - the English have far more depth.

Anyway, got to go now & think of something to do that will keep my
girlfriend sweet ... I haven't told her about Ponty & Dax being
televised at 6:30 yet :-)

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Post by Anthony Walt » Sun, 03 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>The score therefore stands at England 2 Wales 2 for cross-border
>matches, although the English sides have played 3 of the 4 at home and
>I'm not sure whether you can class Harlequins as English these days.

>I think the European matches have demonstrated that there is little,
>if any, difference between the top English and Welsh sides, although
>once you go outside the top five Welsh sides then there is no
>competition - the English have far more depth.

>Anyway, got to go now & think of something to do that will keep my
>girlfriend sweet ... I haven't told her about Ponty & Dax being
>televised at 6:30 yet :-)

Well said!

The Welsh league will soon be trimmed down to 8 teams, and hopefully
this will make more room for Anglo/Welsh and European competition.

The Anglo/Welsh will have to be given more priority next year, and
really should replace in the domestic season in the long term.

The next step then will be to move it to a summer sport. From what I
can see of the fixture list, nobody in the first two divisions can
afford to another game called off.

As for the Euro competition, the best of the Welsh beat the best of
the English (Pontypridd and Cardiff), nobody (not even Sheds) can
argue that point. This doesn't nescessarily means we are better, but
it means we are closer than you think!

I (as a Welshman) have found this Euro experiance very rewarding. We
need to carry the positive play forward to our national team now. The
spirit is there, it just needs a couple of good games to click into
place to get some confidence and "feel good factor" back into the
players and viewing public.

No one expects us to beat Australia and South Africa or New Zealand
for that matter. But in the forthcoming test matches we have got to
be seen to compete, and not just roll over and play dead.

Anyway ... enough waffle now ...

Anthony

 
 
 

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Post by John Willia » Mon, 04 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>LEICESTER 25    LLANELLI 16
>.... apologies for missing the first half, but I got back a bit late.

Where were you? At the pub? :-)

Quote:
>Impressions on the match overall: Leicester's pack were superb,
>particularly the front row, they were never going to do anything other
>than play a nine man game.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Strewth Terry, what were you drinking? I want some!

Leicester ran a high percentage of ball, tapped plenty of penalties. The
ball frequently got outside Liley at fly-half, and although the Tigers'
backs weren't up to snuff, they had a good run out. Especially outside
centre Greenwood. The flat line is very alien to English rugby, and
Leicester aren't close to mastering it yet. They are improving though.

Quote:
>Llanelli hampered by having to field two front-line jumpers and having
>Julian Williams declared unfit before the kick off could not win
>enough clean posession to make use of their definite advantage in
>class behind.

A very different style of back play I'd have said. Llanelli made pretty
patterns but didn't often make a clean break. ***yer in the first half,
leading to the Botica drop goal, and Wintle to score and one other occasion
in the second half are all that spring to mind. If backs run from as deep
as the Scarlets did, then a clean break in midfield is essential, otherwise
the defensive pattern that goes with Dwyer's flat backline just means the
winger is pushed into touch. Australia using that pattern frequently
nullified 1 and 2 man overlaps in their heyday around 1991 until the last
world cup. [So Dwyer says, anyway....]

The same thing often happens to the French national team from primary
possession.

I thought Llanelli had some spells of good continuity, but that was because
of a more mobile back row rather than the quality of the backs IMHO. Heck,
***erill was covering the Llanelli backs with far more speed than
Drake-Lee.

Quote:
>Both sides could have scored more, with Liley having an off-day with
>the boot and handling errors in the back row when in strong positions
>proving costly for the Scarlets.

Yes, neither side was particularly impressive in their handling on a dry
day.

Dwyer's decision to give Rob Liley the kicking duties, and Richards's
decision not to let brother John have a go or to continue running penalties
are very surprising to me. On the other hand, I'm very thankful he ran any
penalties at all.

British TV being what it is, this game was the first time I'd seen Llanelli
in more than brief highlights. How well do Llanelli followers think they
played? Leicester are one of the stronger defensive sides in the English
first division. Last season they conceded fewest points. [In the league
242, average just under 13.5 - this season just over 17 per league game so
far. One could say Llanelli's attack is slightly below the English first
division average :-) ].

Quote:
>Llanelli still qualify for the quarter finals where they will travel
>to either Harlequins or Brive because Europe's dirtiest side Pau
>thankfully lost at Leinster due to an injury time penalty. With any
>luck this means that players will not have to wear safety goggles for
>the rest of the tournament.

There was a cartoon echoing this view in the match programme today :-).

Quote:
>The score therefore stands at England 2 Wales 2 for cross-border
>matches, although the English sides have played 3 of the 4 at home and
>I'm not sure whether you can class Harlequins as English these days.

                                                 ~~~~~~~~~

I'll let you know after the quarter final..... Up until now I've always
thought of them as sub-human. [:-) ?]

Quote:
>I think the European matches have demonstrated that there is little,
>if any, difference between the top English and Welsh sides, although
>once you go outside the top five Welsh sides then there is no
>competition - the English have far more depth.
>Anyway, got to go now & think of something to do that will keep my
>girlfriend sweet ... I haven't told her about Ponty & Dax being
>televised at 6:30 yet :-)

Offer her a pint of what you were drinking earlier :-).

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Post by Paul Dutt » Mon, 04 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>As for the Euro competition, the best of the Welsh beat the best of
>the English (Pontypridd and Cardiff), nobody (not even Sheds) can
>argue that point.

Oh really!!   The best in Wales beat the second best in England.  You didn't
beat Harlequins or Leicester.


 
 
 

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Post by Anthony Walt » Mon, 04 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>British TV being what it is, this game was the first time I'd seen Llanelli
>n more than brief highlights. How well do Llanelli followers think they
>layed? Leicester are one of the stronger defensive sides in the English
>irst division. Last season they conceded fewest points. [In the league
>42, average just under 13.5 - this season just over 17 per league game so
>r. One could say Llanelli's attack is slightly below the English first
>ivision average :-) ].

I am not a Llanelli supporter (you may have noted subtle references
to Pontypridd in my previous postings), but Llanelli have struggled a
bit domestically so far this season. The pattern of Llanelli's play
seems typical of their season too. Lots of promise, but very little
of the chances taken. Having said all that, it was a promising
performace IMHO, and they should be able to go forward from that, and
challange a bit better at home.

Anthony

 
 
 

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Post by Terry Ch » Tue, 05 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>>Impressions on the match overall: Leicester's pack were superb,
>>particularly the front row, they were never going to do anything other
>>than play a nine man game.
>          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Strewth Terry, what were you drinking? I want some!

>Leicester ran a high percentage of ball, tapped plenty of penalties. The
>ball frequently got outside Liley at fly-half, and although the Tigers'
>backs weren't up to snuff, they had a good run out. Especially outside
>centre Greenwood. The flat line is very alien to English rugby, and
>Leicester aren't close to mastering it yet. They are improving though.

The tap penalties were taken with the sole purpose of getting over the gainline
& setting up rolling mauls, the ball was released only when forward momentum was
stopped, and then it usually resulted in one of the backs going 'back to
strength' ... nine man rugby in my books but effective nonetheless. Did
Leicester run the ball more than usual?

I agree with your comments re. the flat backline, what you really need to make
that alignment work is quick decision making at halfback and pacy loose support,
two areas where Leicester appear to be deficient. Until Healy scored his
wonder-try the halfbacks were looking ponderous to say the least.

Quote:

>A very different style of back play I'd have said. Llanelli made pretty
>patterns but didn't often make a clean break. ***yer in the first half,
>leading to the Botica drop goal, and Wintle to score and one other occasion
>in the second half are all that spring to mind. If backs run from as deep
>as the Scarlets did, then a clean break in midfield is essential, otherwise
>the defensive pattern that goes with Dwyer's flat backline just means the
>winger is pushed into touch. Australia using that pattern frequently
>nullified 1 and 2 man overlaps in their heyday around 1991 until the last
>world cup. [So Dwyer says, anyway....]

Llanelli usually  operate a 'hybrid' system involving a flat alignment of 10 &
12, with 13 lying deeper - Nigel Davies normally acts as playmaker at inside
centre, but in his absence I think Llanelli suffered from having to field two
very similar centres in Wintle and ***ier .... a problem Wales are also going
to have to come to terms with if they are going to pick two from
Gibbs/Thomas/Leigh Davies.

Quote:

>I thought Llanelli had some spells of good continuity, but that was because
>of a more mobile back row rather than the quality of the backs IMHO. Heck,
>Cockerill was covering the Llanelli backs with far more speed than
>Drake-Lee.

It was a clear tactic early on to attempt to use Botica's speed of the mark to
initially break the gainline and then rely on a quicker back row to set
something up.

Llanelli have had great success in recent years playing a smaller openside flyer
(Lyn Jones, Gwyn Jones, Ewan Jones) to act as a 'link' man. Crucially on
Saturday the suspension of Ewan Jones meant that this option was not available,
Julian Williams' injury also meant that the loosies were a bit slower around the
park than usual.

Quote:
>British TV being what it is, this game was the first time I'd seen Llanelli
>in more than brief highlights. How well do Llanelli followers think they
>played? Leicester are one of the stronger defensive sides in the English
>first division. Last season they conceded fewest points. [In the league
>242, average just under 13.5 - this season just over 17 per league game so
>far. One could say Llanelli's attack is slightly below the English first
>division average :-) ].

A below-par performance in the backline, nowhere near as incisive as usual,
mainly I suspect due to a combination of good defensive alignment, a lack of
quality clean posession and the injuries mentioned above. The forwards did a
sterling job coping with Leicester's ironclad pack, and surprisingly managed to
gain parity in the lineouts... the scrums were however a different matter - the
Leicester front row were rampant.

Overall, a deserved win for the Tigers, but I wouldn't bet on them getting much
further .. home advantage will count for something, but IMO the Quims have
purchased one of the few packs around who can hold Leicester, and I think even
the staunchest of Tigers fans will admit that they don't have much to offer
apart from that.

As a Llanelli supporter,  I have to admit that Ponty are far more deserving of a
place in the quarters than us ... I did manage to see the Dax match, and for
most of the game you could have sworn that Ponty had been used to playing Fench
sides for years, credit to Dax for keeping it clean ... the last ten minutes
when Ponty were camped inside the Dax '22 were truly nail biting .... unlucky
lads, good stuff!

It's hard to see Llanelli progressing further with such a daunting QF draw, but
if the injuries clear up in time then perhaps, just perhaps, Llanelli's famed
big occasion mentality may resurface (yes, it's a loooong shot).

On a wider plane, I think the opening stages of this year's tournament have been
a great success in terms of e***ment, if not commercially. I hope next year's
tournament will be more interspersed with the regular season as per soccer's
version.

--
Terry Chow

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Post by Thomas West » Tue, 05 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


>Before you start to flame away, my personal comment all along has been
>that I've seen no evidence to suggest that Welsh rugby is stronger, and as
>yet I've seen nothing in terms of results to suggest I was wrong.

So have you seen any evidence to suggest English rugby is stronger?

Tom

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Post by Ceri Griffit » Wed, 06 Nov 1996 04:00:00


*
*Interesting that the argument now from the Welsh supporters is that the
*Welsh clubs have proved themselves at least as good as the best of the
*English sides. Last year the claim often was that Welsh club rugby was far
*superior to English club rugby, and certain deluded indivduals were even
*claiming that the depth of talent in the Welsh league was superior.
*
*Before you start to flame away, my personal comment all along has been
*that I've seen no evidence to suggest that Welsh rugby is stronger, and as
*yet I've seen nothing in terms of results to suggest I was wrong.
*
Ben - it would have been easier and band-width saving if you had just stuck
your toungue out and said "I told you so.."

Ceri

 
 
 

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Post by Ben Cle » Wed, 06 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Ben - it would have been easier and band-width saving if you had just stuck
>your toungue out and said "I told you so.."

Much easier? I'm afraid I've yet to perfect the art of talking with my
tongue stuck out, but I'll keep practising. "Mmm fuld nu zo.."

   Cheers,

         Ben

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Post by Nigel Evan » Wed, 06 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Nope, I think the clubs match up pretty well. The only question for me may
>be whether there are a couple more English clubs at each of the various
>levels of ability, but then again even that wouldn't be so surprising
>given the large total number of English clubs.

--              My goodness ! You've really changed your tune, haven't you ?
Less than a year ago you were saying how ***y marvellous the English teams
were. Now you're saying that "they match up pretty well". What has brought this
about ? Have you, perhaps, at last, been able to see some Welsh rugby ? I
appreciate that it must be difficult for you to see any rugby at your present
location.
                How long do we have to wait for you to agree that Welsh club
rugby is better than English club rugby ? Not long, I suspect ! Now that Bath
have fallen off their perch there isn't much left is there ? I never thought I'd
see the days when anybody would praise Harlequins, Welsh or English. Things are
rotten in the state of Denmark, Sunshine. My prediction of an English demise is
at hand.
                Fear not, I will be the perfect gentleman. I will not gloat.
Honestly ! None of us will. Well, perhaps some of us ? But we won't gloat much.
My God ! Bath had a real good stuffing at Ponty, didn't they ? I am not
gloating, of course. Just pointing out that Bath were beaten ( quite easily,
actually ) when they played Pontypridd. None of us this side of the bridge had
any doubts as to the outcome. And, that's why we are not gloating about it. Did
you manage to get the result in Oregon. Look on the bright side ! Bath didn't
lose ! They came second !

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Post by Ben Cle » Wed, 06 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:



>>Nope, I think the clubs match up pretty well. The only question for me may
>>be whether there are a couple more English clubs at each of the various
>>levels of ability, but then again even that wouldn't be so surprising
>>given the large total number of English clubs.

>--              My goodness ! You've really changed your tune, haven't you ?
>Less than a year ago you were saying how ***y marvellous the English teams
>were. Now you're saying that "they match up pretty well". What has brought this
>about ? Have you, perhaps, at last, been able to see some Welsh rugby ? I
>appreciate that it must be difficult for you to see any rugby at your present
>location.

Well I'd like to you find an instance in which I argues that the best
English teams were superior to the best Welsh teams. While I have argued
against the Welsh teams being superior, I can't imagine why I would have
ever suggested why there would have been a huge difference since I never
believed that -- as indeed any reasonably long time Bath fan could tell
you, since Bath credit a large part of their improvement in the early days
to exposure to Welsh club rugby.

Quote:
>                How long do we have to wait for you to agree that Welsh club
>rugby is better than English club rugby ? Not long, I suspect !

But Nigel, this is just the point I *was* arguing against. Still glad we
can trust you to get things back to front.

Quote:
>Now that Bath
>have fallen off their perch there isn't much left is there ?

Yep, well this isn't the first time people have written Bath off before
the season is done, there's still a long way to go to decide which are the
best teams around.

Quote:
>I never thought I'd
>see the days when anybody would praise Harlequins, Welsh or English.

Harlequins may not have done too muc to disgrace themselves this year, but
they've hardly earned praise yet. Let's see what they've won at season's
end.

Quote:
>Things are
>rotten in the state of Denmark, Sunshine. My prediction of an English demise is
>at hand.

And how long have you been making this prediction Nigel -- probably so
long you can't even remember when you started?

Quote:
>                Fear not, I will be the perfect gentleman. I will not gloat.
>Honestly ! None of us will. Well, perhaps some of us ? But we won't gloat much.

Nigel I don't begrudge you a chance to gloat, after all you've had
precious few opportunities in the last couple of decades, all that losing
is clearly what has made you so sour. Good time to be positive now, after
all there's still plenty of time for you to get your excuses in early
before the more meaningful games of the year start.

Quote:
>My God ! Bath had a real good stuffing at Ponty, didn't they ?

Yep, I hear that wonderful Welshman Dale McIntosh was man of the match,
and the other stand out "Welsh" player in the European Cup has been Frano
Botica, there's a sound basis to build your future Welsh teams on.

Quote:
>I am not
>gloating, of course. Just pointing out that Bath were beaten ( quite easily,
>actually ) when they played Pontypridd. None of us this side of the bridge had
>any doubts as to the outcome. And, that's why we are not gloating about it. Did
>you manage to get the result in Oregon. Look on the bright side ! Bath didn't
>lose ! They came second !

Second in the group and qualified, yep I heard. So who do you think have
more chance of winning the European Cup, Bath or Pontypridd -- if you'd
like a little wager on Pontypridd I'd be prepared to offer you pretty high
odds. :-)

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Post by Anthony Walt » Thu, 07 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Yep, I hear that wonderful Welshman Dale McIntosh was man of the match,
>and the other stand out "Welsh" player in the European Cup has been Frano
>Botica, there's a sound basis to build your future Welsh teams on.

Sorry couldn't let a quote about POntypridd go by without a reply!!

So Dale McIntosh that well known Welsh man!!

So Baths well known Englishman, Mr Victor Umbugo (Fully Capped), Mr
Steve Ojumo (Full Capped), Jon Sleighthome, Adedayo Abedayo (Full
Capped), Richard Webster, Eric Peters don't count then!

Dale McIntosh is available to play for Wales on Jan 1st 1997 and will
be an automatic selection ... even if Quinnell hasn't priced himself
out of contention.

We played Wasps tonight ... with that well known Englishman Laurance
Dellallio playing for them ... and they wanted to make HIM English
Captain!!

Quote:
>Second in the group and qualified, yep I heard. So who do you think have
>more chance of winning the European Cup, Bath or Pontypridd -- if you'd
>like a little wager on Pontypridd I'd be prepared to offer you pretty high
>odds. :-)

Read my posting under Ponty v Dax ... I have no quibbles about Ponty
going out ... we should have stuffed Treviso at Sardis Raod and we
would have been thru ... just remember we did beat the double English
champs ...as much as the Welsh Bashers go on ... there is very little
daylight between the Welsh Top 4 and the English Top 4!

Don't go on about strength in depth .. the Euro conference dispelled
that myth ... 7 French clubs, 1 English qualify!

Anthony

 
 
 

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Post by Daryl Johns » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00

(snip)

::>                Fear not, I will be the perfect gentleman. I will not gloat.
::>Honestly ! None of us will. Well, perhaps some of us ? But we won't gloat much.
::>My God ! Bath had a real good stuffing at Ponty, didn't they ? I am not
::>gloating, of course. Just pointing out that Bath were beaten ( quite easily,
::>actually ) when they played Pontypridd. None of us this side of the bridge had
::>any doubts as to the outcome. And, that's why we are not gloating about it. Did
::>you manage to get the result in Oregon. Look on the bright side ! Bath didn't
::>lose ! They came second !

Did you write this before the last lot of Anglo-Welsh results Nigel?

(It doesn't seem like you to gloat ;-))

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Post by Ben Cle » Sat, 09 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>>Yep, I hear that wonderful Welshman Dale McIntosh was man of the match,
>>and the other stand out "Welsh" player in the European Cup has been Frano
>>Botica, there's a sound basis to build your future Welsh teams on.

>Sorry couldn't let a quote about POntypridd go by without a reply!!

>So Dale McIntosh that well known Welsh man!!

>So Baths well known Englishman, Mr Victor Umbugo (Fully Capped), Mr
>Steve Ojumo (Full Capped), Jon Sleighthome, Adedayo Abedayo (Full
>Capped), Richard Webster, Eric Peters don't count then!

And err, where did all these players learn to play their rugby? Webster
apart, and he's hardly been instrumental to Bath's success, they all
learned to play the game in England I believe.

Quote:
>Dale McIntosh is available to play for Wales on Jan 1st 1997 and will
>be an automatic selection ... even if Quinnell hasn't priced himself
>out of contention.

Good, well let's hope there's more talent following the same route into
the national team -- from New Zealand, via Scotland 'A' could produce many
of great Welsh players of the future.

Quote:
>We played Wasps tonight ... with that well known Englishman Laurance
>Dellallio playing for them ... and they wanted to make HIM English
>Captain!!

Perhaps you can explain this one? I've no clue what you are going about.

Quote:
>>Second in the group and qualified, yep I heard. So who do you think have
>>more chance of winning the European Cup, Bath or Pontypridd -- if you'd
>>like a little wager on Pontypridd I'd be prepared to offer you pretty high
>>odds. :-)

>Read my posting under Ponty v Dax ... I have no quibbles about Ponty
>going out ... we should have stuffed Treviso at Sardis Raod and we
>would have been thru ... just remember we did beat the double English
>champs ...

I hadn't forgotten, but it's one result and proves Bath aren't invincible
-- anybody surprised by that?

Quote:
>as much as the Welsh Bashers go on ... there is very little
>daylight between the Welsh Top 4 and the English Top 4!

Ah well, you've missed the point of my previous article in your haste to
selectively edit the sections you wanted to reply to. Too much more of
that and you'll end up with a Nigel Evans-like ability to avoid the issues
that don't suit your argument.

By the way who are the 'Welsh Bashers' you refer to? If you are reading
the tripe that the likes of Mutton pump out then you are welcome to
"argue" all you like with them but don't bother to quote my articles in
your discussion as I'm not part of that and wont be joining in.

Quote:
>Don't go on about strength in depth .. the Euro conference dispelled
>that myth ... 7 French clubs, 1 English qualify!

Ah yes, what better measure of the ability of teams than in a meaningless
competition in which none bother to field first choice sides. But anyway,
I'm not sure I get your point, since if you do want to use the above data
-- and I wouldn't -- it would seem to indicate that an English club
qualified but *no* Welsh clubs did. What might that suggest about the
strength in depth of English and Welsh clubs, and how does that dispell
anything?

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         Ben

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Post by Nigel Evan » Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Anyway, enough of that.  Enjoy your win.  Make the most of it.

Quote:



--                       In Wales we are brought up to be humble. I would not
dream of speaking on behalf of my nation in ordinary circumstances. However, to
be born Welsh is to be born with responsibilities and pride. So, it's an easy
course of action for me ! I speak on behalf of Wales when I say I enjoyed the
stuffing of Bath. So did my mother, so did my dog ! And, I'm still enjoying it !
( Must have benn a cracking game at Northampton last week.... 6 - 3.

Nigel Evans