Leicester Tigers Players - Fact and Speculation

Leicester Tigers Players - Fact and Speculation

Post by Sean William » Thu, 09 May 1996 04:00:00


Source : 'Leicester Mercury' Newspaper

New Signings
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Austin Healey   Scrum Half from Orrell, England         England 'A'
Craig Joiner    Winger from Melrose, Scotland           Scotland

Non Starters
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Graham Shiel    Melrose (had provisinally signed registration papers)

Leicester Signings      (All 5 year deals worth  total 1.5 million UKP)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Graham Rowntree
Richard***erill
Darren Garforth
Martin Johnson
Neil Back

'Expected Soon' Leicester Signings
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dean Richards
John Wells
Matt Poole
John Liley
Stuart Potter

'Possible' Leicester Moves
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Richie Robinson         verbal agreement to Coventry
Wayne Kilford           verbal agreement to Coventry
Andy McAdam             verbal agreement to Coventry
Niall Malone            Coventry expect to sign
Aadel Kardooni          had a lucarative offer from 'unnamed' club
                        wants to stay but must consider future with the
                        arrival of Austin Healey.
Jamie Hamilton          considering London Scottish
Chris Tarbuck           considering London Scottish
                        his agent is not hopeful of staying at Leicester

Others
~~~~~~
Peter Wheeler has spoken to Rob Liley (brother of John) who is the Sale
fly half.  Rob did not sign, but Peter says their is a possibility.

Peter Wheeler is also speaking to two or three other 'unknown'
possibilities.

No details have been announced regarding the financing of these deals.

The problem area of centre has not yet been resolved.

Why is another winger required, when you have Rory Underwood (England)
and Steve Hackney ('Rugby Special' Try of the Month/Year specialist) ?
I only assume that it gives you injury cover.

I will try an update this thread, as and when more information is
available.

Does anybody wan't to start similar threads for their team ?

Does anybody know about any other moves involving players to/from
Leicester which are not listed above ?
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Post by Sean William » Sat, 11 May 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Source : 'Leicester Mercury' Newspaper

>New Signings
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Austin Healey   Scrum Half from Orrell, England         England 'A'
>Craig Joiner    Winger from Melrose, Scotland           Scotland

>Non Starters
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Graham Shiel    Melrose (had provisinally signed registration papers)

>Leicester Signings      (All 5 year deals worth  total 1.5 million UKP)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Graham Rowntree
>Richard***erill
>Darren Garforth
>Martin Johnson
>Neil Back

>'Expected Soon' Leicester Signings
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dean Richards
>John Wells
>Matt Poole
>John Liley
>Stuart Potter

>'Possible' Leicester Moves
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Richie Robinson         verbal agreement to Coventry

Confirmed - 2 year contract
Quote:
>Wayne Kilford           verbal agreement to Coventry

Confirmed - 3 year contract
Quote:
>Andy McAdam             verbal agreement to Coventry

Confirmed - 2 year contract
Quote:
>Niall Malone            Coventry expect to sign

Last minute change of mind.  Will sign a short term contract of about a
year.  Coventry were offering about 40% more than Leicester.

Jez Harris has gone to Coventry instead on a 2 year contract -
apparently never been offered a contract by Leicester.

It has been rumoured that Steve Hackney was on his way to Coventry, but
no announcement at Coventry's press conference today.

Quote:
>Aadel Kardooni          had a lucarative offer from 'unnamed' club
>                        wants to stay but must consider future with the
>                        arrival of Austin Healey.
>Jamie Hamilton          considering London Scottish
>Chris Tarbuck           considering London Scottish
>                        his agent is not hopeful of staying at Leicester

>Others
>~~~~~~
>Peter Wheeler has spoken to Rob Liley (brother of John) who is the Sale
>fly half.  Rob did not sign, but Peter says their is a possibility.

>Peter Wheeler is also speaking to two or three other 'unknown'
>possibilities.

Waisale Serevi (Fiji) has now appeared as a possibility.  He played for
the World XV against Leicester in April.

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Quote:

>No details have been announced regarding the financing of these deals.

>The problem area of centre has not yet been resolved.

>Why is another winger required, when you have Rory Underwood (England)
>and Steve Hackney ('Rugby Special' Try of the Month/Year specialist) ?
>I only assume that it gives you injury cover.

>I will try an update this thread, as and when more information is
>available.

>Does anybody wan't to start similar threads for their team ?

>Does anybody know about any other moves involving players to/from
>Leicester which are not listed above ?
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Post by Ben Cle » Sat, 11 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>>>'Possible' Leicester Moves
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>Richie Robinson         verbal agreement to Coventry
>>Confirmed - 2 year contract
>[...]
>Another centre gone }:-o . At this rate Underwood will be in the
>centres next year.

Perhaps an indication that Leicester have been spending their pennies on
the forwards, leaving their backs open for higher offers from elsewhere.
The big advantage to signing Leicester backs is that they have all that
big match experience but none of the wear and tear of actually being
involved in the games :-)

Quote:
>>>Niall Malone            Coventry expect to sign
>>Last minute change of mind.  Will sign a short term contract of about a
>>year.  Coventry were offering about 40% more than Leicester.

>That is a pleasant surprise.
>[...]
>>Jez Harris has gone to Coventry instead on a 2 year contract -
>>apparently never been offered a contract by Leicester.

>A bit tough on Jez. I wish him well.

Amazing that Leicester would have let both their top choice flyhalves
leave, they certainly must have been confident of landing Rob Liley or
somebody, perhaps they see the solution as...

Quote:
>>Waisale Serevi (Fiji) has now appeared as a possibility.  He played for
>>the World XV against Leicester in April.

>Now that would be something. Healey and Serevi as halfbacks. And who
>says Leicester aren't interested in a running game :-). On the other
>hand, maybe the management think Serevi would save so much time with
>penalties that the crowd will be entertained by even more first-rate
>forward action.
>[...]

Then again from what I've seen, Serevi isn't a flyhalf, I'm not sure what
he is, but I would have to say that flyhalf wouldn't be my selection.

Of course with the Leicester pack and Healey you can pretty much guarantee
that a lot of the play will be in close, with the outside backs just there
to support the breaks and of course to tackle to opposition. It could have
been worse, if the rumours about Leicester trying to sign Will Carling
were true then absolutely no ball would have gone wide.

It seems to me like Leicester are trying to create a team purely based on
runners, since although Serevi is a fine playmaker in sevens he's not
anything like that good a distributor at 15-a-side. Maybe this is a case
of trying to get the best player with each individual contract.

Perhaps Leicester could lure Australian/Irish flyhalf Brian Smith back
from League (I'm guessing he's still playing League), since he's an
ex-Leicester player I think, and would solve their crisis nicely.

Quote:
>>>The problem area of centre has not yet been resolved.

>It is disturbingly quiet. I'd be surprised if Overend and Delaney were
>the first choice centres next season. On the other hand it would be a
>courageous move worthy of praise to give such young players (U-21)
>their opportunity.

You would have thought talk of landing Bob Dwyer as a coach would be
enough to spark some interest from one or two of the promising young
players -- still I guess now it is less a question of what would be best
for a player's long term development, and more an issue of how much cash
is on the table now.

Quote:
>>>Does anybody wan't to start similar threads for their team ?

>It would appear not Sean. Never mind, there will be a fair bit of
>activity before next August 31st.

Well let's face it until a lot of this is settled there can be endless
speculation. Players are seeking to set up bidding wars for their
services, while clubs are trying to maximise their publicity, and to
interest potential signers by seeming like they are in the market to buy
in a whole good team. Once again the team that features every week is
Harlequins, who for example despite having one of the most promising young
scrumhalves in Nick Walshe, plus an England 'A' player in Rob Kitchin have
been linked with Bracken and Robert Jones and somebody (can't remember
who) like Howley.

Quote:
>>>Does anybody know about any other moves involving players to/from
>>>Leicester which are not listed above ?

>I read a few days back, also in the Leicester Mercury, that Bristol
>flanker Martin Corry and the youngster Paul Sampson were on Wheeler's
>shopping list.

Sampson in particular sounds highly in demand, he's likely to get a very
good deal since there is interest from big clubs like Leicester and Bath,
obviously the rich clubs will be interested, and he's also had offers from
a few rugby league teams unsurprisingly.

Quote:
>There does seem to be a shortage of top class centres
>looking for a move.

Interesting to see what this results in, either more imports or chances
for younger players... hmm I wonder.

Quote:
>The management also remains up in the air following Russ's departure,
>but the likelihood is thing will be kept "in the family" with Ian
>Smith being appointed "director of rugby" (coach).

What was the story with Dwyer?

   Cheers,

      Ben

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Post by John Willia » Sun, 12 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>>'Possible' Leicester Moves
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Richie Robinson         verbal agreement to Coventry
>Confirmed - 2 year contract

[...]
Another centre gone }:-o . At this rate Underwood will be in the
centres next year.

Quote:
>>Niall Malone            Coventry expect to sign
>Last minute change of mind.  Will sign a short term contract of about a
>year.  Coventry were offering about 40% more than Leicester.

That is a pleasant surprise.

[...]

Quote:
>Jez Harris has gone to Coventry instead on a 2 year contract -
>apparently never been offered a contract by Leicester.

A bit tough on Jez. I wish him well.

Quote:
>Waisale Serevi (Fiji) has now appeared as a possibility.  He played for
>the World XV against Leicester in April.

Now that would be something. Healey and Serevi as halfbacks. And who
says Leicester aren't interested in a running game :-). On the other
hand, maybe the management think Serevi would save so much time with
penalties that the crowd will be entertained by even more first-rate
forward action.
[...]

Quote:
>>The problem area of centre has not yet been resolved.

It is disturbingly quiet. I'd be surprised if Overend and Delaney were
the first choice centres next season. On the other hand it would be a
courageous move worthy of praise to give such young players (U-21)
their opportunity.

Quote:
>>Does anybody wan't to start similar threads for their team ?

It would appear not Sean. Never mind, there will be a fair bit of
activity before next August 31st.

Quote:
>>Does anybody know about any other moves involving players to/from
>>Leicester which are not listed above ?

I read a few days back, also in the Leicester Mercury, that Bristol
flanker Martin Corry and the youngster Paul Sampson were on Wheeler's
shopping list. There does seem to be a shortage of top class centres
looking for a move.

You haven't commented on the captaincy: Dean Richards has changed his
mind and put his name forward for the players' ballot. Underwood is
also standing and a result is expected next week.

The management also remains up in the air following Russ's departure,
but the likelihood is thing will be kept "in the family" with Ian
Smith being appointed "director of rugby" (coach).

All the best


 
 
 

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Post by John Willia » Sun, 12 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



>>>>Richie Robinson         verbal agreement to Coventry
>>>Confirmed - 2 year contract
>>[...]
>>Another centre gone }:-o . At this rate Underwood will be in the
>>centres next year.
>Perhaps an indication that Leicester have been spending their pennies on
>the forwards, leaving their backs open for higher offers from elsewhere.
>The big advantage to signing Leicester backs is that they have all that
>big match experience but none of the wear and tear of actually being
>involved in the games :-)

Ho ho :-).

[...]

Quote:
>Amazing that Leicester would have let both their top choice flyhalves
>leave, they certainly must have been confident of landing Rob Liley or
>somebody,

There is Matt Jones, the England under 21- student (?) fly half, who
made his first team debut last season, and the youngster (name escapes
me) who is "on loan" - whatever that means - to Moseley. You are right
though. Another result of Russ's departure I suppose.

Quote:
>perhaps they see the solution as...
>>>Waisale Serevi (Fiji) has now appeared as a possibility.  He played for
>>>the World XV against Leicester in April.

>>Now that would be something. Healey and Serevi as halfbacks. And who
>>says Leicester aren't interested in a running game :-). On the other
>>hand, maybe the management think Serevi would save so much time with
>>penalties that the crowd will be entertained by even more first-rate
>>forward action.
>>[...]
>Then again from what I've seen, Serevi isn't a flyhalf, I'm not sure what
>he is, but I would have to say that flyhalf wouldn't be my selection.

I only really know him as a sevens man too.
At  5'4" and 11st 10, full back doesn't appear an option, although  he
played well there for the World XV against Leicester. Inside centre
would be an adventurous idea. He could duck under all those high Quins
tackles for a start.

IF he did sign up, I feel his major influence might well be in getting
the best out of  the generally young back players in games *and*
during training.

Quote:
>Of course with the Leicester pack and Healey you can pretty much guarantee
>that a lot of the play will be in close, with the outside backs just there
>to support the breaks and of course to tackle to opposition.

The little I've seen of Healey suggests he has an excellent service
too. It all gives Leicester previously unavailable options.

Quote:
>It could have
>been worse, if the rumours about Leicester trying to sign Will Carling
>were true then absolutely no ball would have gone wide.

That was a strange one. I still have doubts the offer was really made.
It would have been a disaster IMHO.

Quote:
>It seems to me like Leicester are trying to create a team purely based on
>runners, since although Serevi is a fine playmaker in sevens he's not
>anything like that good a distributor at 15-a-side. Maybe this is a case
>of trying to get the best player with each individual contract.

I'd like to think that its confidence in the youth policy Russ was so
influential in setting up. Two new players definitely signed up is a
tiny number compared with most of the top clubs. All that might change
come September of course.

Quote:
>Perhaps Leicester could lure Australian/Irish flyhalf Brian Smith back
>from League (I'm guessing he's still playing League), since he's an
>ex-Leicester player I think, and would solve their crisis nicely.

As Malone isn't going, the crisis doesn't exist now. Smith did play
for the Tigers a while back (1990-91?) but I haven't heard anything
about him for ages.

[...]

Quote:
>>The management also remains up in the air following Russ's departure,
>>but the likelihood is thing will be kept "in the family" with Ian
>>Smith being appointed "director of rugby" (coach).
>What was the story with Dwyer?

Because of the Sanyo Cup (Dwyer was coach of World XV), Wheeler talked
with the great man a fair bit. That appears all that happened, with
the media doing a bit of 2+2=5.

Cusworth was considered, but apparently his spell as England coach
under Jack Rowell has lost him a lot of player respect.

Another ex-Tiger, London Irish's Clive Woodward, was also approached,
but he turned Tigers down.

Know anything more Sean?

All the best


 
 
 

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Post by Wyli » Sat, 18 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Craig Joiner    Winger from Melrose, Scotland           Scotland
>>~~~~~~
>>Peter Wheeler has spoken to Rob Liley (brother of John) who is the Sale
>>fly half.  Rob did not sign, but Peter says their is a possibility.

>Waisale Serevi (Fiji) has now appeared as a possibility.  He played for
>the World XV against Leicester in April.

>>Why is another winger required, when you have Rory Underwood (England)
>>and Steve Hackney ('Rugby Special' Try of the Month/Year specialist) ?
>>I only assume that it gives you injury cover.

Where did Serevi play for the World XV?  I thought it was as a wing,
which seems sensible considering his Sevens ability.  Are you suggesting
him for flyhalf?  If so he would have to improve his tackling and
workrate big time because in sevens he always seems ready for others to
do the dirty work while he works his undoubted magic.  If he was to come,
Leicester would have 4 wingers, why?  I reckon Joiner needed the move
here's hoping playing with Underwood will help him, but he'll need ball,
and coming from Melrose he expects expansive, running rugby.  Here's
hoping he gets it.
 
 
 

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Post by Sean William » Wed, 22 May 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Source : 'Leicester Mercury' Newspaper
>Aadel Kardooni          had a lucarative offer from 'unnamed' club
>                        wants to stay but must consider future with the
>                        arrival of Austin Healey.

Just signed a 3 year contract - wants to end his career at Leicester as
he has been 'treated very fairly by the Club' and would relish the
competition with Austin Healey.

Peter Wheeler is looking for a 3rd scrumhalf and is still talking to 4
or 5 other players for next years squad.

Later this week, probably tommorrow, the Leicester Captain is due to be
announced along with the revised coaching structure.

Leicester players with more than 20 first XV games get a vote for the
captain.  Candidates were Rory Underwood and Martin Johnson, but after
the Cup Final, Dean Richards put his name forward for re-election.

This was promised to be announced the week after the Pilkington Cup
Final - can anything be read into this delay ?

Since my last posting on this subject, Martin Corry (England 'A'
Flanker) decided to stay at Bristol.  He had been considering a move to
either Leicester or Newcastle Gosforth.

Watch this space for more updates when they are available !!!
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Post by Sean William » Thu, 23 May 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>Later this week, probably tommorrow, the Leicester Captain is due to be
>announced along with the revised coaching structure.

>Leicester players with more than 20 first XV games get a vote for the
>captain.  Candidates were Rory Underwood and Martin Johnson, but after
>the Cup Final, Dean Richards put his name forward for re-election.

Although the voting was apparently close, Dean Richards was reappointed
captain.

The fact that the captaincy has now remained with the forwards for the
6th consecutive year, will probably generate some debate.

The last captain in the backs was Paul Dodge.
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Post by Paul Dutt » Sun, 26 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>>Leicester players with more than 20 first XV games get a vote for the
>>captain.  Candidates were Rory Underwood and Martin Johnson, but after
>>the Cup Final, Dean Richards put his name forward for re-election.
>Although the voting was apparently close, Dean Richards was reappointed
>captain.

Close?  R.Underwood couldn't captain his underpants.
 
 
 

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Post by John Willia » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

[...]

Quote:
>Although the voting was apparently close, Dean Richards was reappointed
>captain.

[....]


The "sacking" of Sale's influential player coach Paul Turner has had a
knock-on effect for Leicester, who have been talking with Sale deputy
fly half Rob Liley.

Liley is ambitious, and has been told by England A selctors he only
has a hope if he plays regularly at number 10. Because Sale have lost
the services of Turner, Liley is more likely to get a regular place
there rather than at Leicester in competition with Malone.

Wheeler says Leicester are still "talking to two or three people who
play centre.".

Leicester are due to announce a director of rugby, believed to be Ian
Smith, tomorrow.

All the best


 
 
 

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Post by Sean William » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

Following the recent sacking of Paul Turner (Player Coach) at Sale, the
signing of Robert Liley (younger brother of John - Tigers Full Back) is
now in doubt.

Rob is reported as saying that he wants to move to Welford Road, and
that Leicester are the biggest club in the world and it has always been
his ambition to play for Leicester.

England A have told him that he must have regular first team rugby, and
with Paul (Fly half) going, Sale want to retain Rob.  Additionally Paul
is not now in Rob's way - Rob playing as Wing or Full Back when Paul was
playing.

He would be guaranteed the spot at Sale, but would have to compete with
Niall Malone at Leicester.

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On Thursday (30th May), Leicester are due to announce the appointment of
a Director of Coaching and Development after their recent sacking of
Tony Russ.  Rumours are that Ian (Dosser) Smith will get the nod, with
the possibility of Bob Dwyer being appointed First XV coach.

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Leicester managed to ensure that their was some silverware in the trophy
cabinet this year, when they won the Madrid Sevens for the second time
in three years.
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Post by Ben Cle » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00


<<stuff deleted>>

Quote:
>Following the recent sacking of Paul Turner (Player Coach) at Sale, the
>signing of Robert Liley (younger brother of John - Tigers Full Back) is
>now in doubt.
>England A have told him that he must have regular first team rugby, and
>with Paul (Fly half) going, Sale want to retain Rob.  Additionally Paul
>is not now in Rob's way - Rob playing as Wing or Full Back when Paul was
>playing.

>He would be guaranteed the spot at Sale, but would have to compete with
>Niall Malone at Leicester.

When Sale signed flyhalf Neil Ryan from Waterloo last year there was a lot
of talk of Ryan being the natural successor to Turner at Sale. It will be
interesting to see if Rob Liley really can be guaranteed a place at
flyhalf at Sale, and if Ryan has England aspirations (he has been an
England 'A' player this year I think) one imagines he too will have been
given the same message.

   Cheers,

      Ben

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Post by Sean William » Fri, 31 May 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>On Thursday (30th May), Leicester are due to announce the appointment of
>a Director of Coaching and Development after their recent sacking of
>Tony Russ.  Rumours are that Ian (Dosser) Smith will get the nod, with
>the possibility of Bob Dwyer being appointed First XV coach.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Stuart Farmer who runs the 'Official' Leicester Tigers Web Site at
http://www.le.ac.uk/tigers/ was on Radio Leicester this morning stating
that Bob Dwyer will be coming to Leicester.

Did not catch the full report, but this is the first semi official
announcement - I will confirm facts at the earliest opportunity.

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Post by Garry Nicholso » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Close?  R.Underwood couldn't captain his underpants.

How would you know? Methinks that you arrive at this comment from a position of gross ignorance.
Position is by no means a definition of captaincy ability vis a vis Mike Harrison and Ieuan
Evans. Playing ability is a factor not an overriding one however and Rory is a ***y good
attacking winger no matter what his detractors say. As for the personality, I did not realise
that you were a close friend and confidante of the man himself. Perhaps you could enlighten me?